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*Duncan*

25-04-2005

Just watching the BBC1 programme about Genghis Khan. It said that the mongols believed they were descended from the wolf.

Now didn't the Doctor say that the assembled hordes of Genghis Khan couldn't get through the Tardis door 'and believe me they tried'?

Just running this up the flagpole to see if anyone salutes it.

Alrightmate

25-04-2005

Yes, that's true Duncan.

Alrightmate

25-04-2005

I'd also add that he went to the future in the Tardis at the start of episode 2 where he asked Rose where she wanted to go.

He stopped at one point and told Rose it was the time of the New Roman Empire.

The Wolf features very heavily in old Roman religion, and Romulus and Remus who built the first Roman Empire were reared by a She-Wolf.

Maybe a cryptic clue there that Rose is somehow a she-wolf, and somehow helps create this NEW Roman Empire in some way.
I say MAYBE here though. Because this is just a random suggestion and doesn't mean I think it's relevant.

Tagchild

25-04-2005

Originally Posted by SussexStu:
“In the clip for next week's episode - is that Freddy Mercuryesque guy the same one from the classic Arnie film Commando - I think he was called Matrix - anyone?? ”

John Matrix was Arnie's character (his daughter was Jenny Matrix).

The fat, Australian Freddy Mercury lookalike was Bennett...

"John... I'm not going to shoot you between the eyes... I'm gonna shoot you in the balls!"

Probably the best 80s action flick ever

*Duncan*

25-04-2005

Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“I'd also add that he went to the future in the Tardis at the start of episode 2 where he asked Rose where she wanted to go.

He stopped at one point and told Rose it was the time of the New Roman Empire.

The Wolf features very heavily in old Roman religion, and Romulus and Remus who built the first Roman Empire were reared by a She-Wolf.

Maybe a cryptic clue there that Rose is somehow a she-wolf, and somehow helps create this NEW Roman Empire in some way.
I say MAYBE here though. Because this is just a random suggestion and doesn't mean I think it's relevant.”

On the other hand, many people think that Billie Piper is a 'fox'.

And in this series, her character has many a 'brush' with danger, does she not?

DenWatts

25-04-2005

Originally Posted by nathanbrazil:
“Unless, she's thinking dream man. Seriously. For a lot of switched on girls of Rose's age, a sophisticated, dangerous, older man is the ideal lover/ mentor/ father figure all rolled into one.”

I think the relationship goes further than this - as *Duncan* said, many people (including humans) have handled the Dalek in transit, so why would Rose make a difference? Why would she reactivate it?

And apparently, we're supposed to end up sympathising with the Dalek at the end!

Black Guardian

25-04-2005

Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Earth

Or the chip eaters.
Episode 1: Thematic structure referencing human culture in the present, busy world, regular direct references to money, obsession with self, and fear and paranoia ensuring humans take their eye off the ball, and end up letting the wrold slip away from under their feet.

Episode 2: The consequence of human culture in the future. In episode 2 we see an example of what we evolve into. Cassandra being greedy, self obsessed, selfish, ruthless.
A hedonistic voyeurism, where the death of worlds is seen as "fun" and entertainment. The great and the good are "rich".

We see RTD give us a snapshot of cultural life today, and what we tend to stress value on now, and then in Episode 2, we get to see what we can become as a consequence of leading a chip eating, television watching culture, who are just saving ourselves (looking after number 1, I'm alright Jack)
Cassandra; "Earth is the hotbed of civilisation, humans "mingle" and become mongrels. Jabe and the Forest of Cheem are examples of such human descendants in the future.
The Doctor in Episode 4: Aliens of London...just after the supposed alien spacehip crash-lands into the Thames, he is more than happy, and said it now gives humans the opportunity to "Expand"...i.e. go forth and explore the Universe.
Proto-humans, and Digi-humans are other expressions used by Cassandra to imply that humans evolve into other aliens.

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that some of the aliens who try to launch invasions of Earth, are indeed products of Human evolution in the future.
Maybe most of these aliens we see in the series are a product of natural evolution of the human race.

The Doctor seems to relish the thought of the potential of humans are capable of. In episode 1 he maintains to the Nestene that these "stupid people are only just starting, they are capable of so much more". The Doctor uses this as a defence to stop the Nesten attacking them, but the Doctor may not realise that what he just said was the main problem. The Nestene are afraid of what humans become, and what humans become is the root of all their problems, so what the Doctor said is not a good defence of humans, and is like a red rag to a bull as far as the Nestene is concerned.

In Episode 4, when the alien spaceship crashes, the Doctor is optimistic to Rose, and tells her this is an opportunity for the human race to "expand". He thinks that the human race expanding and travelling the universe is a good thing.
But here again is where the problem lies. It is maybe the BIG mistake that the Doctor is making. It could be that the human race expanding and exploring space is the reason why the Time War started in the first place.

The Doctor, by his very act of encouraging humans to be more advanced than they are now is the crux of the problem. He sees the negative aspects of humans, and feels that by encouraging them to better themselves the consequences will be good. But it could be this that is the fundamental mistake he is making. Although he thinks this is a good idea for humans to develop, his interference in promoting this is what may lead on to the humans being even more dangerous.

His very existence now, and actions he takes right now, could be the very thing that leads to tha very thing he wants to avoid. But he doesn't see the error in his ways.
Whatever is happening right now, and the Doctor's participation in events, leads to a predestined fate he may think he is avoiding, but in actuality is leading everything to the very fate he would want to avoid.

The Doctors own interference in events now could mean that he is opening a Pandora's Box, where he is helping the human race advance before they are ready, and unleashing the negative potential of humans on the universe.
Humans may be the ancestors of the Daleks.
The Gelth may even be Humans of the future, or the Gelth may even be Daleks, we only see the spirit form of the Gelth, the Dalek is just a metal shell.

Many of the aliens we see could be descendants of humans. They maybe all represent the greedy, selfish sides of the human character. Their negative character traits are also what could be described as the negative traits of human nature.

Religion/Pseudo-religion

Apparently one episode carries a story involving a Big Brother reality game show. If this is true, then it would be likely to be another hint towards the theme of controlling the public via the media with a propaganda style theme. It could probably also be a substitute for religion, as worship of these types of shows can border on being almost pseudo-religious in nature.

It would also tie in with the idea of human society being obsessed with frenzied worship of anything that encourages their base urges to be addicted to hedonistic, empty entertainmment.

Again, it would tie into the snapshot of British society alluded to back in episode 1, and occasionally throughout the series whenever The Doctor shows contempt for the chip eaters who just work sleep and watch telly, being oblivious to what really matters in life, and eventually "letting go" and losing what's important in life when it's all too late.

Maybe greed for living a hedonistic, selfish, self-indulgent way of life is a possible metaphor for religion that may be used if religion in itself doesn't become a feature of this series.
I think worship of some kind will feature in one way or another. There have been enough digs at human society in the story so far to imply this as a possibility.

I do think that the human race at some point in the future develops a form of religion, or pseudo religion.
The references to Big Brother give us a clue there. Amongst money, status, and self interest, television culture is something that the public seems to worhip more and more these days. Even the reference to Heat magazine is another tiny little clue about where the writers are coming from.

British society right now tends to worship a nothingness, and latches onto crazes, and embraces them fully as the next "wicked" "cool" thing.
With the absence of religion in society, the worship of all things to do with money and celebrity status fills this vacuum.
When in this state of consciousness, its very easy to introduce thought control, and manipulate the public.

When the public are wrapped up in modern culture, they tend not to notice things like "invasions happening right under their feet", like the Autons, or the Slitheen.

I think a lot of this is reflected in the writing, where the writers have made a point of the Doc being arrogant towards humans in general, and refering to them as chip eaters who watch telly, and regularly pours scorn on them or derides them.
In episode 2 we are given the ultimate example of a voyeuristic society where people actually see the death of a planet as entertainment to gawp at.

I think that many indications are there that the human race is fickle, and that our way of life is such that a new idea can be introduced, and embraced wholeheartedly if presented in an effective manner.
So a new religion can potentially crop up at any time.

In episode 11:Boom Town, a character is introduced to the story that the Doctor thought was long dead. It sounds possible that this might be another Time Lord. It's entirely possible that from a human's eyes, somebody like a Time Lord could be worshipped as a god.

(Big)Bad Wolf

What does this mean?
I won't go into this too much as plenty has already been speculated about this so far, and I don't want to risk repeating too much of what others and myself have already posted elsewhere.

It appears at this moment in time that this expression refers to the Tardis and/or superior technology.
It might mean more, or something else entirely, but right now I don't have much that points to anything else.
In Episode 1, The Nestene Consciousness said it when it first saw the Tardis, and it invoked fear, paranoia, and anxiousness.

The Moxx of Balhoon spoke to The Face of Boe in Episode 2, and said "Indupitably, this IS the Bad Wolf Scenario. I find the laxity of the unknown (missing word) multiverse...<fades out>"
Again, in Episode 2, the small blue aliens who moved the Tardis repeated "Bad Wolf", although you don't catch it on first hearing.

In Episode 3, things take on a different light...When the servant girl Gwyneth reads Rose's mind she says that she knows Rose has seen "The Big Bad Wolf".
The word "Big" adds more mystery to this running theme.
In the trailer for episode 4"The Aliens of London, we see "Bad Wolf" spray painted onto the Tardis...Not "Big" Bad Wolf.

At this point in time there is more evidence to support the idea that refers to the Tardis itself. It may refer to either The Doctor, or Rose, but there is less evidence to support that at the moment.

According to Episode 2, we know that on platform one of the observation space station, religion, weapons, and the use of teleportation devices under the peace treaty.
A Tardis being a teleportation device, must be seen as a threat, and appears to have been something prohibited due to a war.

Bad Wolf ,Tardis breaking into a time line, or a dimension???(As in the Wolf breaking into the houses of the three little pigs)
It appears that Bad Wolf is another “meme”, and it looks like we might have to wait for further episodes to air before we can go much further in knowing what it will mean. There has already been much speculation about the meaning of Big Bad Wolf, that we may have come to a dead end for now. So I won’t go on about this any further here.

Tardis Technology

Obviously the Tardis has time travel technology, but what may also be of use is another technology it contains.
Telepathy and the abilty of thought control.

This type of technology would be very powerful, and in a war would be very useful in controlling people and keeping them "on message". Thought control would be a very powerful weapon to employ in a propaganda war.
Episode 2 highlighted these powers. Not only can it enable messages to be interpreted a certain way, the tabloid media would love to be able to use "psychic paper" as demonstrated in Episode 2.

The technology within the Tardis not only holds the secret to Time Travel, it also has the potential power to brainwash people.

Superior technology in the hands of humans would be the key element that would make Earth major key players in this Time War.
I don't think it's any mistake that the charcter that Bruno Langley plays in a future episode is that of a young "scientific genius".
It is almost a major clue that in a future story that Earth is trying to develop a technology of some sort that is a key part of this story.
It's not like he's cast as a chef, or a bank clerk, or something.

Meme

"The adherence of the repeated meme"
In episode 2, the appearance of the IPod and Britney Spears jokes are examples of a meme. And there the concept is introduced to the viewer of the show, coupled with the script reference when Cassandra's cyborgs are used to explain the concept, and subtely help the viewer link the Ipod and Britney jokes to the term.

i suggested that the term "Bad Wolf" could be a "meme" in this story. And although possibly merely being the tag of a kid spraying graffiti, can transform into something of far greating meaning and significance thousands of years into the future.

But the meme can take form in other ways.
It is often used to decribe political, religious, and cultural ideals that feed into themselves and become a distortion of themselves over time.
it's possible that "Bad Wolf" not only turns into a representation of an idea where the words take on a different meaning, it can actually become more than that when a form of idea becomes a meaning of great cultural significance, and even possibly becoming a form of pseudo-religion in itself.

A belief system is a meme, and I think that this will be a key feature later on in the story.

The new UNIT fictional website warns of a file-sharing computer virus being accidentally downloaded from the internet.
An internet virus is also a form of a "meme". A meme by it's very nature is viral.
"All your base are belongs to us" is an example of an idea that becomes an internet phenomena.
Thus a form of Pseudo-religion can be formed.”

You put forward a very insightful and reasoned theory there Alrightmate and I agree with you on a number of ideas you have presented.

RTD does seem to have his finger on the pulse regarding current affairs and from the evidence we have seen thus far he is reflecting a number of these themes in each story.

Without wishing to repeat myself as we have exchanged various views on the many points you have raised in your messages this evening I am still of the belief that Rose is the key to it all and will be instrumental in the conclusion to the Time War.

Black Guardian

25-04-2005

Originally Posted by DenWatts:
“I think the relationship goes further than this - as *Duncan* said, many people (including humans) have handled the Dalek in transit, so why would Rose make a difference? Why would she reactivate it?
And apparently, we're supposed to end up sympathising with the Dalek at the end!”

I think either Billie or Chris described The Doctor's and Rose's relationship as soul mates. Perhaps there is an attraction there that they both know will never be consumated so have accepted the next best thing which is having a very special close friend that you would do anything for.

He is attracted to her humanity and she likes him for his knowledge and perhaps feels sorry for him as he lives this lonely existence...

carl.waring

25-04-2005

Originally Posted by Tagchild:
“John Matrix was Arnie's character (his daughter was Jenny Matrix).”

Played, of course, by the [now] totally hot Alyssa Milano

Originally Posted by *Duncan*:
“On the other hand, many people think that Billie Piper is a 'fox'.

And in this series, her character has many a 'brush' with danger, does she not?”

"Boom, Boom!" or not

SteveW2

25-04-2005

well done Black Guardian the biggest quote yet !
so much I nearly missed your post
ps im not on broadband

moza

25-04-2005

Alrightmate, you ARE RTD, and I claim my £5!

Actually, I just discovered where that joke comes from, and it's another example of a meme. Learn something every day!

re-offender

25-04-2005

How many times.....?
Do you watch an episode ?

I watch the sat night bbc1 7pm show
and tape it.........
then watch the bbc3 sunday repeat

THen watch the tape on wedsnesday

So i see each episode 3 times

lol

aka_lucifer

25-04-2005

Originally Posted by re-offender:
“How many times.....?
Do you watch an episode ?

I watch the sat night bbc1 7pm show
and tape it.........
then watch the bbc3 sunday repeat

THen watch the tape on wedsnesday

So i see each episode 3 times

lol ”

Usually go for 3 or 4 sit-throughs and then run any scenes that entertain/amuse/intrigue me.

Yep, I'm a saddo!

Dr Quincy

26-04-2005

I couldn't resist, so I tweaked the trailer for next week's episode. I added something extra I hope you enjoy. I think I'll include it on each week's trailer.

Dalek Trailer

paul_hadley

26-04-2005

Did anyone see the mockup BBC News 24 graphics on Doctor Who last Saturday? It was a big News 24 logo without a clock. Like the one they used on Supervolcano I think it was.

Alrightmate

26-04-2005

Just a suggestion,....but does anyone think it might have been possible that at some point, The Doctor materialised right in front of Rose when she was a little girl when the Tardis had "Bad Wolf" spray painted on it?

There was a point where he was faffing about in the Tardis on his own trying to get it to work. So although we didn't see it, the Doc might have gone back to Rose's past somewhere at that point in the show.
Maybe it is the reason that the Doctor goes back to Rose's past in "Father's Day" in the first place.

That could be the point where Rose recognises "Big Bad Wolf" as a little girl, and her memory had been repressed since that event.

So when Gwyneth/The Gelth, read Rose's mind, she/they could have been reading a repressed memory that Rose has blocked out of her conscious memory since childhood.

If you imagine Rose as a little girl, and suddenly this big blue thing materialised in her bedroom as a little girl with Bad Wolf written on it, well you could imagine Gwyneth/The Gelth registering the same fear that Rose as a little girl felt.

Not sure if I'd go along with this though, because it's equally as likely that it's just the Gelth holding the same fear that the Nestene did due to what the interpretation of "Bad Wolf" means in the future to alien races.

Alrightmate

26-04-2005

Right,...get yourself over to http://www.bad-wolf.org.uk/index.html

Two major clues that "Bad Wolf" may well be The Master or Fenric.

View the HTML source for that webpage using notepad, and in the meta-content part of the code you will be able to see....

.......".....Doctor Who, 's, afraid of the, Big, Bad Wolf, Master, Tardis......"

Now on the main page click on the wolf logo.
It takes you to a second page that has a graphic of an alien painting an image of a wolf, a sheep, and a cow.

Underneath there is some text which reads;

"[Dave K] Who is badwolf?
[JW R] Hi Mickey,or is it Ricky?

[MostHaunted] Along time ago the dr fought an ancient evil known only as fenric....his curse was known as the wolves of fenric.....could this have something to do with it???

[Ian D] Weird. What has this got to do with ... ?

Now is this a case of RTD making us think we have the answer?
Because I'm wondering if it can be as simple as this and we have narrowed things down to two options.

Alrightmate

26-04-2005

Fenric

I don't know who this mystery character who appears later on the series is, but I seem to have more clues that point to Fenric than anything else.

It probably isn't going to be Fenric as I get the feeling that it might be too obvious with the "Wolf" reference.

Here are some random clues that I've gathered. I hope they make sense.

I'll huff and I'll puff, and I'll blow your house in
Not by the hairs on my chinny chin chin

Does this reference to "Bad Wolf" give a clue by hinting at trying to enter world's via time rifts?
Or in other words means to break into the houses of worlds?

"Faylic, let us through"
Now nobody has picked up on this before on Digital Spy. It was what the Gelth said in the seance in Episode 3: The Unquiet Dead.
Nobody has asked who "Faylic" is.
Who the f**k is Faylic????

I don't know that much about Doc Who history, so I've just researched a bit. Does Fenric have the ability to allow beings through time rifts using keys to time or something?

Who has the means to let other beings enter other worlds via time rifts?
I know that the poster Black Guardian said that ...err..that "The Black Guardian" can.
Can Fenric also?

Graffiti depicting Daleks, Ghosts, and Keys is scattered all over in urban scenes.
Gelth could actually be Daleks if there is a connection here by the way,...but keys feature in the graffiti. I wonder if these keys represent the keys to time.

If a being is granting access to certain beings through time rifts, then maybe whoever (or whatever) Bad Wolf happens to be is allowing the aliens to pass through Time Rifts on Earth.

"Coming of Ragnarok", the destruction of 9 worlds.
That is according to Norse legend about Fenrir. Fenris, Fenric etc...
The 9 worlds. Could Gallifrey, Earth, and other assorted worlds belong to this nine.
The Coming of Ragnarok is when Fenric is supposed to break free of his shackles (The Shadow Dimension??) and rule the Earth,..or universe,...I think.

In Episode 2: The Doctor temporarily stopped his Tardis at the time of the New Roman Empire, when asking Rose where she wanted to go.
The orignal Roman Empire was formed by Romulus and Remus who were reared by a she-wolf.
The wolf is prominent in old Roman religions.

I can't be sure, but I thought I'd found something in my research about Fenric that he was involved with a cult, and manipulated them.
I think it was called the "Cult of Demnos" which was a Roman religious cult.
I suggested in another post that I felt that religion may come along in this series at some point. Maybe this is the religion that may appear.
If the future on Earth leads to a New Roman Empire, it might make sense.

According to Gwyneth in Episode 3:The Unquiet Dead, Rose has seen "The Darkness".
Is this a reference to the Shadow dimension where Fenric was banished?

The Shadow proclamation was a peace treaty formed after some war, mentioned by the Steward in Episode 2: The End of the World.
There was another reference to a Shadow clue that I've forgotten right now.

Big Bad Wolf.....Giant Wolf. Fenric is a giant wolf. That may be the difference between a Bad Wolf, and Big Bad Wolf.

There appears to be a character by the name of "Rodrick" that appears in the last two or three episodes.
He is played by an actor called Paterson Joseph. He seems to be a big deal, as he appears only second to Chris Eccleston and Billie Piper in the cast listings, and apparently is supposed to have a very unusual relationship with Rose.
Paterson Joseph is a black actor, and I'm wondering if he is somehow connected to Mickey. Maybe a descendant, or something.
This might be why the Doctor appears that he might have a confused memory in some instances, and insisted on calling Mickey by the name of Ricky.
Rodrick......Ricky.

Rodrick.
Faylick
Fenric

Those names sound very similar.

Now this is the big clue that I recently came across in my research about Fenric. "Who happens to be a real mythological entity, as well as being a part of the Doc Who universe.............

Quote:
“Fenrisulfr
The stories which surround Fenrir are deeply related to the central concept of Quick Facts about: wyrd
Fate personified; one of the three Weird Sisterswyrd http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/enc.../w/wy/wyrd.htm (more correctly in Norse urd), or predestination, a metaphysical concept embedded at the core of all notions of Norse mythology. Many of the deeds of the actors in these scenarios need to be evaluated in the certain understanding that they had foreknowledge, to greater and lesser extents, of what was to occur, and yet nevertheless they performed their preordained actions.

wyrd:
Wyrd is a word which originates in the Anglo-Saxon verb weorþan, to become, and itself derives from an Indo-European root verb meaning to turn. Its most specific definition points it firmly at that which has become, i.e. the past. Nestled within the bower of this is a meaning which has strong associations with Quick Facts about: magical
Quick Summary not found for this subjectmagical http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/enc...aranormal).htm transformation, and this concept is also interwoven with a well-nourished idea of Quick Facts about: predestination
(theology) being determined in advance; especially the doctrine (usually associated with Calvin) that God has foreordained every event throughout eternity (including the final salvation of mankind)predestination http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/enc...estination.htm.”

I always felt very early on that the Doc was in a Time Loop that was predestined, and that whatever he did, the conclusion would always result in the same outcome whatever he or anybody else did. That Fate would ultimately lead to a conclusion that would repeat itself all over again.

I said that whatever is happening in the story right now, may well lead to a predestined fate, that would in turn lead to events happening all over again in the past and starting the loop again.

When you have aliens escaping the future by coming to the past, then their actions have a strong possibility of starting the loop again.
Now I recently find out that stories involving Fenrir are usually associated with predestination and that the future and past are interconnected and everything is predetermined in advance.

From the UNIT website -

Quote:
“Forces Other Than NATO: A history of Special Operations Units 1945-1989 by Peter Perou (This includes an extensive analysis of UNIT's involvement in the 1978 Transylvanian crisis)

Rubber-Soled Shoes and Silver-Tipped Bullets ·A Life in Supplies by Sgt A.O.Osgood”

This sounds like Haemoeverses, or vampires of whom which Fenric has called upon before.
He called on them in an episode set during World War 2 where he tried to release a virus.
According to rumours there is an episode in this series that has a “Back to the Future” kind of storyline. This could be the episode set during WW2 which sounds very much like the episode in a previous series where the Doctor had to deal with Fenric before.

If it turns out that "The Empty Child" and "The Doctor Dances" are the rumoured "Back to the Future" story. Then the Doc may be revisiting an older story featuring Fenric when he was involved before.

If memory serves me correctly, somebody posted that Russell T Davies wanted to explore a couple of elements of Doctor Who lore that were never fully explored.
Fenric could well be one such element of Who lore that RTD wanted to revisit.
Fenric had one story that was never televised, and a story that was the penultimate story just before the Doctor Who era of Sylvester McCoy finally ended.
"The Curse of Fenric" is apparently a very popular Doctor Who story from what I've been reading on the web, but unfortunately Fenric was never given another chance to come back as the series was prematurely ended.
The show was just improving, and taking on a darker edge, and this story maybe came a little too late.

Maybe this character is one that spiked the interest of RTD. It also brought interesting dynamics between the Doctor and his assistant, and gave ambiguity to the good and evil traits in characters.
This sounds very RTD in it's subject matter.

Anyway. I'm not saying that Fenric is this character being resurrected again. But there are quite a few hints and clues that this might be the character who appaears later.
But maybe there are just too many hints and clues.

I can see the appeal, and only got interested when the poster Victor posted a bit about Fenric. I knew nothing about the character but it spiked my interest, and I can see why it might have done with RTD too.
If this Fenric character isn't the character who is introduced later, I would like to see him/it appear in series 2.

I don't know, maybe it is the Master who comes back. But it just feels that there are very few clues to point to the Master, not to mention he was brought back last time in 1996.

I hope it's Fenric, but something tells me that there are too many clues there, and that it may be the Master. Surely that direct clue on the link to the webpage above just seems too glaringly obvious for it to be Fenric.
Don't know.

Last edited by Alrightmate : 26-04-2005 at 06:25

tallorder

26-04-2005

Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“The new UNIT fictional website warns of a file-sharing computer virus being accidentally downloaded from the internet.
An internet virus is also a form of a "meme". A meme by it's very nature is viral.
"All your base are belongs to us" is an example of an idea that becomes an internet phenomena.
Thus a form of Pseudo-religion can be formed.”

Um, isn't the filesharing computer bit on the UNIT site just a gag regarding the illegal downloads of "Rose"? That's how I took it anyway!

Love your analysis - it will be interesting to see how this all plays out. I would agree that the series seems well informed by the Iraq war and the issues surrounding it. Who and it's writers have always been coloured by real life and it is a fascinating thing to watch unfold.

I really don't buy the Fenric stuff as suggested by others on the list. The resolution of 'The Curse of Fenric' was pretty final and I don't see RTD resurrecting an old enemy that the general public probably have no memory of at all. Daleks will return as they're so tightly wound into the public image of the series. Cybermen perhaps too in future eps. A one off villian in S26 like Fenric... I just don't see it - it's about as likely as a third Mara story or another visit to Peladon!
Last edited by tallorder : 26-04-2005 at 06:48

Fizzbin

26-04-2005

Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Right,...get yourself over to http://www.bad-wolf.org.uk/index.html

Now on the main page click on the wolf logo.
It takes you to a second page that has a graphic of an alien painting an image of a wolf, a sheep, and a cow.”

And if you click on this pic, it takes you to a pic of the Tardis with the wolf logo superimposed on it. The surroundings of the Tardis have been 'smudged' - could it be hiding something important?

kelby

26-04-2005

Originally Posted by Fizzbin:
“And if you click on this pic, it takes you to a pic of the Tardis with the wolf logo superimposed on it. The surroundings of the Tardis have been 'smudged' - could it be hiding something important?”

which in turn could be hiding the fact that this domain isnt one of the BBC ones? So someone leading us all astray with false clues?

The BBC is consistent with the owner information on its domains, and in any case the domain would use the BBC name servers.

Hamlet77

26-04-2005

Personally I thought it was the worst of all the episodes so far, still far better than 99% of tv around at the moment, but not as good as it could have been. Far too long a goodbye at the end, though did like the 10 second pause. Not so much for the farewell part, but the fact it took time away from the main point of the story i.e. stopping earth getting radioactive. The slithereen were a little too smug, but it could be good for future occurances of that species, i.e. the next lot have to be taken seriously. I do agree the police or army were in it for laughs, which made a mockery of them and really were pointless.

Could do better, but I am really lloking forward to next week.

MIsguidedFool

26-04-2005

Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Right,...get yourself over to http://www.bad-wolf.org.uk/index.html”

I don't think this site is a BBC production to be honest. I think it is someone trying to yank our chain.

The person who registered the name 'bad-wolf.org.uk' on Internic has remained anonymous. The other BBC sites all appear as registered to the BBC on Internic.

Now 'badwolf.org.uk' IS registered to the BBC.
It doesn't seem to go anywhere yet though.

EDIT: Oops... Sorry Kelby, just noticed that you had already said this. I need to wake up this morning!

DenWatts

26-04-2005

It's interesting to note that the title of the page when you click the wolf logo is BS.html.

http://www.bad-wolf.org.uk/bs.html

Now, on the blackboard is the word 'brainstorm' but there's another meaning for BS.

SteveW2

26-04-2005

regarding bbc sites
badwolf.org and badwolf.org.uk are registered in different places to BBC
each of which does't recognise the other name - any techies out there ?

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