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You know some people are trying to repress memories of Fear Her. It was a traumatic experience
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Crap her was just shit. Yeah a 7 yr old child trapping people in sodding drawings then mummy gets all sulky telling rose to leave. Hardly realistic!
And you want realism? This is Doctor Who you are burbling about isn't it? |
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Crap her was just shit. Yeah a 7 yr old child trapping people in sodding drawings then mummy gets all sulky telling rose to leave. Hardly realistic!
It wasn't the child alone, it was her fears from bad memories of her father, mixed with the abilities of the alien thing that had crashed in her street. Since when was it not realistic that a mother would be protective of her child? A realistic and perfectly understandable, normal human response (if misguided given we're talking about Rose and the Doctor here). But that mother, unlike us, didn't know how special and heroic they are. |
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This thread is a crime against forums everywhere
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I must admit, I've not watched Fear Her in years. I may have to take a peek this weekend to see if it's as poor as I recall.
To be fair, I remember it being a weak episode as opposed to appalling so I will take another look. I really loved the 10th Doctor and Rose and I think when you have two lead characters that you really love, it probably helps when the episode itself isn't great. It's one of the reasons I (personally) have a soft spot for Love and Monsters, because it gives Jackie Tyler such a major role throughout the episode and actually there are some key parts of the episode that are just hilarious. I guess the problem I have with an episode like Heaven Sent is that it's a gloomy and (I felt) rather dull episode starring a Doctor I'm not particularly keen on who was mourning a companion I was glad to see the back of. Would I have liked it more if it had been Doctor 9 or 10, mourning the likes of Rose or Donna? I would never say Heaven Sent was a poor episode because I think in terms of acting, writing and production values it was clearly of the highest standards. I simply didn't enjoy it. In many ways it demonstrated everything that (for me) is wrong with Doctor Who at the moment - grey, funless and lacking sympathetic characters. But then I've had problems with the lead characters in Who since Moffat took over. |
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I must admit, I've not watched Fear Her in years. I may have to take a peek this weekend to see if it's as poor as I recall.
To be fair, I remember it being a weak episode as opposed to appalling so I will take another look. I really loved the 10th Doctor and Rose and I think when you have two lead characters that you really love, it probably helps when the episode itself isn't great. It's one of the reasons I (personally) have a soft spot for Love and Monsters, because it gives Jackie Tyler such a major role throughout the episode and actually there are some key parts of the episode that are just hilarious. I guess the problem I have with an episode like Heaven Sent is that it's a gloomy and (I felt) rather dull episode starring a Doctor I'm not particularly keen on who was mourning a companion I was glad to see the back of. Would I have liked it more if it had been Doctor 9 or 10, mourning the likes of Rose or Donna? I would never say Heaven Sent was a poor episode because I think in terms of acting, writing and production values it was clearly of the highest standards. I simply didn't enjoy it. In many ways it demonstrated everything that (for me) is wrong with Doctor Who at the moment - grey, funless and lacking sympathetic characters. But then I've had problems with the lead characters in Who since Moffat took over. |
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Fear Her just seems to get worse every time i think about the episode. it probably isn't as woeful as i think it is, but i know it is definitely a bad story.
You can't know something which is only an opinion and not a fact. |
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No you don't. You think it is, and that's fine. I happen to hold a different point of view and think it's an OK story.
You can't know something which is only an opinion and not a fact. Ultimately it is opinions, some will find the problems of the episode not as bad, or find it more enjoyable, but in the end this episode has a lot of problems which for me is enough to put it into the bad category. |
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The concept behind Fear Her was absolutely fine, and could have been really good.
It was just really badly put over IMO, and trying to tie it in with the London Olympics (six years before the event!) was a ridiculous shoe-horned in idea that was ill-conceived to say the least, and put over cringe-makingly badly (IMO).
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I must be the only one that likes Fear Her it reminded me of a fun Sarah Jane Adventure styled episode and it was just harmless filler anyway.
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The concept behind Fear Her was absolutely fine, and could have been really good.
It was just really badly put over IMO, and trying to tie it in with the London Olympics (six years before the event!) was a ridiculous shoe-horned in idea that was ill-conceived to say the least, and put over cringe-makingly badly (IMO). ![]() As Mulett rightly pointed out at least Love and Monsters had some humour and a generous helping of Jacqui Tyler (who I think was the best realised female character of the RTD era after Donna). |
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The concept was never the problem for me with Fear Her. The execution as you say was. For me it was poorly cast and acted, with weak SFX and direction and cringeworthy scenes throughout - not just the ending. The whole episode was lacking in every department. The episode just looks like to was thrown together without much thought (or budget) or effort.
As Mulett rightly pointed out at least Love and Monsters had some humour and a generous helping of Jacqui Tyler (who I think was the best realised female character of the RTD era after Donna). But Fear Her - now that is terrible! I don't think I liked any of it bar the main conceit. I felt the child actress was appalling, and as a consequence thought it brought down everyone else's performances - yes, including Rose and The Doctor. I think it is the only episode I would quite happily never watch again (series two is the only box-set I just haven't had the impetus to get...) |
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I though she was played just right and her character was great right from the moment she delivered this line to the Doctor:
"There's a strange man in my room. Anything could happen." Fantastic! |
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I though she was played just right and her character was great right from the moment she delivered this line to the Doctor:
"There's a strange man in my room. Anything could happen." Fantastic! |
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Just seen the Christmas Special. Absolutely shit. Please RTD come back or at least return the show to how it was when it was genuinely popular rather than the dull brain challenging episodes now around. And by how Doctor who rarely wins popular voted awards compared to pre 2010 should be a big warning
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Bring back JNT that's all I have to say on the matter !
No... wait!!!
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the dull brain challenging episodes.
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Just seen the Christmas Special. Absolutely shit. Please RTD come back or at least return the show to how it was when it was genuinely popular rather than the dull brain challenging episodes now around. And by how Doctor who rarely wins popular voted awards compared to pre 2010 should be a big warning
Also, his nuanced and detailed critique of the Christmas episode - "absolutely shit" - shows how far reaching and insightful is his understanding of Doctor Who. |
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I don't know if I'm reading into it a little too much, but I think this person really hates Moffat.
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Just seen the Christmas Special. Absolutely shit. Please RTD come back or at least return the show to how it was when it was genuinely popular rather than the dull brain challenging episodes now around. And by how Doctor who rarely wins popular voted awards compared to pre 2010 should be a big warning
Both RTD and Moffat have there strengths and weaknesses as writers, but dull brain challenging episodes? What the .... |
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Just seen the Christmas Special. Absolutely shit. Please RTD come back or at least return the show to how it was when it was genuinely popular rather than the dull brain challenging episodes now around. And by how Doctor who rarely wins popular voted awards compared to pre 2010 should be a big warning
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Really!?! Each to their own but I'd genuinely like to know why (although I suspect I could guess) you think those episodes are even worse than Fear Her.
If I had to choose* one of those three to rewatch myself it would be Death in Heaven. * by choose I mean be held at gunpoint and made to select one |
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The crime of Fear Her is that it's aimed at the kids. The other two stories are so grand yet so terrible it makes the former look simply mediocre in comparison.
![]() For me it's not so much the scale of the story as my joint favourite RTD story is Midnight - pretty much the most confined DW story ever (although there is a Hartnell one set solely in the Tardis I saw once) but how it is executed. For me Fear Her was a weak story poorly executed across the board (acting, FX, casting, direction etc.). I do think that it is also valid to argue that the more potential a story has then the more disappointing it is if not done well. Oddly enough the Phantom Menace was mentioned at work today - best example of so much potential never realised that I can think of! Last of the Time Lords falls easily into this category, Death in Heaven less so as it had several redeeming features, not least the acting, which raises it in my eyes in comparison. |
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Death in Heaven less so as it had several redeeming features, not least the acting, which raises it in my eyes in comparison.
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I must be the complete polar opposite of everybody else, because I love Moffat's Who, but strongly disliked RTD's Who. I've absolutely loved Series 5 onwards, but can't really look back on Series 1-4 without leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
Of course, nothing beats the Hinchcliffe/Holmes combination as producer and script editor respectively. I'd like to see RTD or Moffat create a series with stories as brilliant as Genesis of the Daleks, The Brain of Morbius or The Seeds of Doom. |
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