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The Telegraph - Interesting Strictly article
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primer
16-12-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Actually Jameliagate was contentious because it was the OTHER WAY ROUND.

The worst dance got through the dance off.

In this case the better dance got through. ”

please don't shout. especially to convey what is after all only your opinion. its really not worth the effort.

finger in ears and brain off may more widespread than you initially thought
Rhumbatugger
16-12-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Do you think that Anita's Salsa was better than Katie's waltz in the dance off?

And can you honestly and convincingly argue that it was?

Because it appeared to me that Katie's waltz was MUCH improved from the show, and Anita's Salsa, which was badly choreographed and had only a smidgen of poorly done 'salsa', was performed at least a little worse.

Now, if you can't, and I defy anyone to, frankly, then there is NOT ENOUGH REASON to cry 'fix'.”

Originally Posted by primer:
“please don't shout. especially to convey what is after all only your opinion. its really not worth the effort.

finger in ears and brain off may more widespread than you initially thought”

That was from hours ago. It's called 'rational thinking'.

And I'll use as many capitals as I wish, by the way.
mossy2103
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by Elsa:
“Well, I don't think I'm wrong because I consider any sort of manipulation to be "rigging" - such as placing people in the running order to help or hinder (which I'm 100% convinced they do.)

Now whether there's a nefarious purpose - I don't really think so. They just want the best show they can get and they manipulate all sorts of things to get that result - the assignment of the celebs in the first place, good or bad music assigned, whether the music really fits the assigned dance, positive or negative VT's, good or bad costumes, and scripted judges comments and suggested scores (after 11 years of following this show obsessively , I'm pretty sure they watch the dress rehearsal and the scores and such are planned then. I've seen more than one pro suggest likewise, and I've talked to several of the American ones in person.)

So no, I don't have any doubt that there's some degree of micro-management going on which is what I consider to be "rigging" - and every year, I become more convinced of it - and see more ways they do it. Having a dance off at ALL is a form of rigging imho. And certainly all those marathon thingies. It's to recalibrate the leaderboard.

Have you ever thought that you might be wrong?”

I would only consider myself being wrong if I was faced with actual evidence rather than guesses, assumptions, self-implied or assumed "rigging" and examples of confirmation bias. Otherwise, I retain an open mind.
mossy2103
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“I know Buddy, I posted similar pages ago. It's very strangely Groundhog dayish in here. The Anita fans have got their fingers in their ears and their brains in 'off' mode.

Nothing is getting through.”

Exactly.
MayD
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“I know Buddy, I posted similar pages ago. It's very strangely Groundhog dayish in here. The Anita fans have got their fingers in their ears and their brains in 'off' mode.

Nothing is getting through.”

There is a distinct \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ element to it with many of them imo

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Servalan
17-12-2015
Quite why this series is different from previous ones with inconsistent marking is beyond me. It's got nothing on Series 6, with the outrageous over marking of Lisa Snowdon.

And Pearson blow a massive hole in her own argument by suggesting that the Queen of Inconsistent Marking™, Arlene, should come back. Pur-lease.

Anita lost her place because of Gleb's choreography - simple as. He could have put lots of judge-pleasing steps in, and instead created routines that forgot the basics. A shame, but there you go.
basdfg
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by Kez100:
“The biggest problem was that Katie danced a waltz and Anita didn't dance a salsa. Now, she also had awful music - did Gleb do the best he could have been expected to do with it?

I can see where the fix ideas come from. Was Anita landed with terrible music by the production team? Or was it Glebs choice?”

Probaly producers. Even the couple choice of dance is probably decided by producers (See Kellie this week with a Charleston and a upbeat showdance music. The Clifton's must have loads of brown envelopes.)
guiser
17-12-2015
Pearson's a hard-up hack who carefully examines every current bandwagon and picks the one that, in her opinion, offers her the greatest opportunity to write an article full of cliches, bias-confirmation and vindictive indignity.

The woman's never had an original thought in her life and probably researched this particular article by reading Twitter and DigitalSpy.
spider9
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by guiser:
“Pearson's a hard-up hack who carefully examines every current bandwagon and picks the one that, in her opinion, offers her the greatest opportunity to write an article full of cliches, bias-confirmation and vindictive indignity.

The woman's never had an original thought in her life and probably researched this particular article by reading Twitter and DigitalSpy.”

That bit is true actually. She was referred to Monkseal.
Servalan
18-12-2015
Originally Posted by guiser:
“Pearson's a hard-up hack who carefully examines every current bandwagon and picks the one that, in her opinion, offers her the greatest opportunity to write an article full of cliches, bias-confirmation and vindictive indignity.

The woman's never had an original thought in her life and probably researched this particular article by reading Twitter and DigitalSpy.”

There's a more interesting theory floated in this week's popbitch that the 'Strictly fixed' stories are being driven by a bitter Simon Cowell …

Quote:
“ The X Factor final played out
exactly the way everyone said
it would from day one, but it's
been interesting to see that
while the show's audience has
waned, Simon Cowell's tabloid
contacts are still strong.

While X Factor viewers were
discussing the jaw-dropping
manipulation in this last series,
the tabloids have been strangely
fixated on spurious "Strictly
Is Fixed!" claims (which have
the added advantage of bashing
the BBC too).”

But popbitch rightly points out that Pearson should really be directing her fire at TXF …

Quote:
“But Strictly would never be so
brazen as this year's X Factor
final. Winner Louisa was feted
as an angelic superstar from
the off, while opponent Che was
utterly humiliated, performing
Valerie with dancing hamburgers.

And if anyone has ever seen
a more uncomfortable three
minutes of live TV than poor
Reggie & Bollie being forced
to sing Forever Young then
we'd like to hear from you.”

yellowlabbie
18-12-2015
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Exactly.”

There's nothing wrong with my brain thank you very much Anita should be in the final, the show has been manipulated to get Anton there, end off. A lot of people are saying this are not all of them are Anita fans.
BethnalGreen
18-12-2015
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“There's nothing wrong with my brain thank you very much Anita should be in the final, the show has been manipulated to get Anton there, end off. A lot of people are saying this are not all of them are Anita fans.”

As an Anita fan who really wanted her there I have to disagree with you - she really didn't deserve to be in the final. It played out as it should have and there was no damn fix.
dd23
18-12-2015
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“There's nothing wrong with my brain thank you very much Anita should be in the final, the show has been manipulated to get Anton there, end off. A lot of people are saying this are not all of them are Anita fans.”

If Anita should have been in the final she would be in the final. If Helen should have been in the final she also would have been, go back as far as you like.

If Anita had been popular enough she could have danced the valeta in a kilt, an "I love Simon Cowell" t shirt and a Christmas tree headdress and she would still be there-end of-(to borrow a phrase).
yellowlabbie
18-12-2015
Originally Posted by BethnalGreen:
“As an Anita fan who really wanted her there I have to disagree with you - she really didn't deserve to be in the final. It played out as it should have and there was no damn fix.”

That's ok, that's your opinion but I disagree with it.
yellowlabbie
18-12-2015
Originally Posted by dd23:
“If Anita should have been in the final she would be in the final. If Helen should have been in the final she also would have been, go back as far as you like.

If Anita had been popular enough she could have danced the valeta in a kilt, an "I love Simon Cowell" t shirt and a Christmas tree headdress and she would still be there-end of-(to borrow a phrase).”

If Helen has beaten Anita to a final place I would not be unhappy about it.
BethnalGreen
18-12-2015
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“That's ok, that's your opinion but I disagree with it.”

Fine if you want to leave in la la conspiracy land - that's your prerogative. However, all these fix claims and dummies being spit out is spoiling it for the rest of us. The salsa let Anita down in the dance off and the judges voted accordingly.

Can we have a thread for all the conspiracy theorists to live in so the rest of us can talk about the show normally?
mossy2103
18-12-2015
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“Anita should be in the final, the show has been manipulated to get Anton there, end off. A lot of people are saying this are not all of them are Anita fans.”

Quod erat demonstrandum I think.
mossy2103
18-12-2015
Originally Posted by BethnalGreen:
“Fine if you want to leave in la la conspiracy land - that's your prerogative. However, all these fix claims and dummies being spit out is spoiling it for the rest of us. The salsa let Anita down in the dance off and the judges voted accordingly.

Can we have a thread for all the conspiracy theorists to live in so the rest of us can talk about the show normally? ”

Agreed on BOTH points.
dd23
18-12-2015
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“If Helen has beaten Anita to a final place I would not be unhappy about it.”

If Anita had beaten Katie to the final that would have been absolutely fine, but she didn't.

I couldn't watch last Sat so I kept up with the show thread and from the report it was obvious Katie was going to struggle.

I was surprised when the spoiler came through, but it did say that Katie had improved and Anita hadn't,in two dances where there had only been one point between them anyway.

I watched the main show later, and the results show and ,unsurprisingly, this is exactly what happened.

No fix no anything, the better dance in the dance off won. I thought Anita was great but they could never as a partnership have produced something like that waltz,do I recall when they had the quickstep Anton was helping Gleb with the step? What Anita and Glen produced K and A could not have, but it came down to one performance of one dance and the better one won.

If it had been the other way around I'd have been disappointed, but I would have accepted it.
yenston
18-12-2015
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“There's nothing wrong with my brain thank you very much Anita should be in the final, the show has been manipulated to get Anton there, end off. A lot of people are saying this are not all of them are Anita fans.”

I agree with you. I don't think people realise that "fixing" can cover a multitude of sins. Reality show audiences are manipulated very subtly into doing what the producers want. It doesn't always work and can backfire. But 90% of the time it probably works. If the majority of people on DS think there was no fix, then you could argue it's worked. If people are open minded and realise that these shows are very carefully orchestrated from beginning to end, to create controversy and what they deem to be in the best interests of the show, then fine. If people don't think that then they are incredibly naive.
MACTOWIN
18-12-2015
Originally Posted by BethnalGreen:
“As an Anita fan who really wanted her there I have to disagree with you - she really didn't deserve to be in the final. It played out as it should have and there was no damn fix.”

How do you know there was no fix.
BethnalGreen
18-12-2015
Originally Posted by MACTOWIN:
“How do you know there was no fix.”

I applied rational thought, my own eyes, critical thinking and basically used my head and not heart.

How do you know there was a fix? Answer is you don't
Monkseal
18-12-2015
Originally Posted by spider9:
“That bit is true actually. She was referred to Monkseal. ”

I hastily add that all she did was ask me how many Pimp Slots everyone had had and I didn't even register who I was talking to. Which is my excuse and I'm sticking to it...
choucroute
18-12-2015
Just to throw some fuel on the fix fire .... the fixxy part, for me, is not how Katie won the DO, but how the whole semi-final was set up. Anita got an obnoxious, too fast song. If she’d got an appropriate song, I assume even Gleb could’ve come up with something more appropriate—see his various other appropriate dances with appropriate music, despite the odd Gleb special. Katie had a good enough song for the waltz, Georgia had a good enough song for the Viennese Waltz (which she’d basically already danced), Kellie had a great song and the final position on the night. Ever since the producers chose Kellie’s office quickstep over Anita’s paso to close the night in Blackpool I’ve wondered if the producers weren't slightly biased in her favor (whether due to the pro or to Kellie’s obviously being the better technical dancer) despite her not seeming to be a fan favorite. What would’ve happened had Anita danced to a salsa song, and Kellie had danced the AS to some song not conducive to Fred and Ginger retro fantasy?

But whatever. I’m not a conspiracy theorist. Gleb f...ed it up.
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