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Fair play?? Supposing the "wrong couple" lifts the Glitterball?
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The_Bonobo
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by dizzie:
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BTW, I remember the Tom Chamber's semifinal debacle well. That issue, I'm convinced, propelled him to that win. The perceived injustice and the other two labelled as 'judge's favourites' ensured that he was a 'plucky underdog' and the audience rewarded him for that and a crowd-pleasing showdance. It all happened in a very compressed time period - I don't think there's been anything like that at this point in the competition (the Peter/Jamelia 'fix-gate' was quite some time ago).”

BIB I think the DO bounce and reactions (sympathy and respect for still doing well) to her illness last week are recent incidents that might aid Georgia. I increasingly feel she will win partly through these factors, partly because she is a solid all-rounder (although that is largely due to Gio's unspectacular routines that help make her look solid in my opinion), and partly because she is the "other one". Like Abbey she has a ringer and a divisive loud character to compete with. She also has Katie who some may deem unworthy of even being there. She reminds me of Abbey in many ways in fact. Portrayed as sweet and always amazed anyone thinks she is any good . Also often over-marked while still good with no obvious weaknesses. Substitute Natalie for Jay, and Susannah for Kellie, and even the situation is similar. All things considered I think she could well do it. I don't want that but I see another Abbey scenario albeit with a much better dancer.
The Swampster
17-12-2015
The right winner is whoever receives the most votes. It really is that simple.
As as for all this drivel about the BBC "rigging" the show - WHY? How could this possibly benefit them? Soaps aside, this is the biggest show they do. It has the prime autumn slot, with a show of some sort EVERY day of the week, plus a prime-time special on Christmas Day. Nothing else comes close. Doctor Who did once, but not these days.
The worst thing that could happen from the BBC's perspective is to be caught rigging it. They really do not give a stuff who wins - for them, the best winner is the one that most of their viewers liked best. How do you think they figure out who that is?
robbleona
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by komentaightor:
“Honestlly. I know I'm in the minority. but I want the couple dancing best on the night to win Strictly 2015. At this moment in time I don't know who they will be.

Given the intensity of feelings over what is reportedly a very "boring", "lame" , "meh" & "stale" series which had the pro dancers saying that the QF and SF weeks were the closest ever competitionwise and impossible to call, I feel a national grid power crisis as soon as the winner's names are revealed..

Is it going to be another Darren Gough/Chris Hollins moment if Jay does not win?
Could even be Kellie and Kevin. Not sure how many people are prepared for that.

Of course people will claim it will be "a fix", but it would be nice to see it as a victory for the couple who do win.

I would love it if for just one evening the viewers would allow the winniing couple to celebrate before calling in the national guard to police their protest marches to close down the BBC.”

Abbey Clancy second best to natalie too....don't remember that may complaints then...
but yeah anything could happen, and the choice of dances could well be important....
memmh
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by Shappy:
“The showdance was too late to have an impact - it was actually the last dance in those days. It was just a reasoning used by many to justify voting for a weaker dancer (although I loved Tom and was rooting for him the whole series). It was a huge backlash year as the judges had got rid of Austin who was shaping up to be another Gough/Ramps man's man who could dance (ugh!). Once Austin left, the viewers wanted vengeance against the perceived judges faves (Lisa and Rachel) so Tom was always going to win it from that point on.

Edit: just remembered there was also the semi final fiasco that year where it looked like the judges had fixed it to make it impossible for the viewer vote to make a difference and keep Tom in.”

Not so. The couples danced one Ballroom and one Latin dance again each. Then the voting lines opened and one couple (Lisa & Brendan) was eliminated. In those days, when the showdance was the last dance, the eliminated couple then performed their showdance just so we could see it. Then the remaining two couples danced their showdance and there was a second vote to determine the winner. Tom & Camilla definitely won based on their showdance.
robbleona
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by The_Bonobo:
“BIB I think the DO bounce and reactions (sympathy and respect for still doing well) to her illness last week are recent incidents that might aid Georgia. I increasingly feel she will win partly through these factors, partly because she is a solid all-rounder (although that is largely due to Gio's unspectacular routines that help make her look solid in my opinion), and partly because she is the "other one". Like Abbey she has a ringer and a divisive loud character to compete with. She also has Katie who some may deem unworthy of even being there. She reminds me of Abbey in many ways in fact. Portrayed as sweet and always amazed anyone thinks she is any good . Also often over-marked while still good with no obvious weaknesses. Substitute Natalie for Jay, and Susannah for Kellie, and even the situation is similar. All things considered I think she could well do it. I don't want that but I see another Abbey scenario albeit with a much better dancer.”

Georgia is hardly a non-dancer though is she? Even she has said she got fed up of ballet so moved to hip hop, not to mention her 'acting' abilities. I would prefer katie to win if it was a choice between the 3 girls tbh.
robbleona
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by memmh:
“Not so. The couples danced one Ballroom and one Latin dance again each. Then the voting lines opened and one couple (Lisa & Brendan) was eliminated. In those days, when the showdance was the last dance, the eliminated couple then performed their showdance just so we could see it. Then the remaining two couples danced their showdance and there was a second vote to determine the winner. Tom & Camilla definitely won based on their showdance.”

absolutely ....thank goodness.
edy10
17-12-2015
Abbey was the person who resonated the most with the viewers in the finale because she got the most votes and therefore won. Get over it.
There's no wrong winner. ..whoever wins deserves to win because the majority of people voted for him or her; who's the best dancer is subjective as well.
Chris Hollins and Darren H. All deserved to win. Tom Chambers even though he wasn't my favorite, deserved to win.

Why can't people just congratulate whoever won and move on?
Starpuss
17-12-2015
I don't have a favourite so am looking forward to all the dances so I can decide on the night who I will vote for.
komentaightor
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by BeeBumble:
“The right couple to lift the glitterball will be the couple with the most votes.

Whether you think it should be the couple who danced best on the night or the couple who have done best over all or the couple with the prettiest outfits it's subjective and there's no rule book on what you should base your votes on.

People should be allowed to vote for whoever they like. You may disagree with who they voted for and why but that doesn't make you right and them wrong. It's just a difference of opinion.”

Absolutely!!! I feel like copy/pasting your reply into about 50% of the nasty conversations in this Forum!!

But don't want you showered in nasty substances as a consequence!
komentaightor
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by mystery23:
“Tom Chambers semi final debacle was a huge deal at the time. Claudia even had to interview the BBC controller of entertainment on it takes two https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bInRzmDTl_U”

The fuss over putting Tom into the Final sparked off a PhD Maths-a-thon of unimaginable proportions in the BBC forums, while endless erudite viewers wrote many column miles with all their calculations to show why the DO was a shoe-in, a shoe-out, a soft-shoe, a Jimmy Choo where Tom was concerned.

The BBC bods, on the other hand, had found a calculator on the carpet somewhere, had punched in 3 figures and had decided on the spot.

Camilla wore a lovely belt over her cossack trousers for their show dance - I guess it earned quite a few votes.
The_Bonobo
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by robbleona:
“Georgia is hardly a non-dancer though is she? Even she has said she got fed up of ballet so moved to hip hop, not to mention her 'acting' abilities. I would prefer katie to win if it was a choice between the 3 girls tbh.”

No she is not although I am not sure why you are mentioning that. I didn't say she is and apparently Abbey took dance lessons before her series anyway so if anything that adds to the similarity.

Anyway I did forget to say that I agree with all the comments that there is no such thing as a "wrong" winner. It can be someone you didn't want to win for whatever reason but if they get the votes then they win. That's all there is to it. Most votes = right winner. This issue only seems to be there for those people who believe their superior dance knowledge makes their opinion a fact. Aside from the show being entertainment first and foremost anyway, I also feel that dance should be thought of in the same way as any other art form. If I think a certain singer is better than another I don't really care about their vocal range, how many notes they can warble into a line, etc.

So if enough people prefer someone and then vote making them the winner, that person is the right winner. Even if they decide largely based on just liking the person more that is still fine given the nature of the show. The debates over technical minutiae may be alright in pro/amateur Ballroom competitions but SCD is not about that.

I also don't understand why it would apparently be so wrong for a more jokey contestant to be in the final, as some seem to be suggesting. If for instance, Jeremy had taken the laughs and fun factor all the way to the final that would mean lots of the audience would want that. They would then presumably enjoy watching his efforts and be entertained by it. So again it would make him a "right" finalist. Of course, the show probably needs some dancers who are good technically as well but having a mix of people who are all popular is fine if that is what the audience vote for.

Of course we are all allowed to have a little moan if we are out of sync with the majority of voters. Even if, like me, you don't actually vote at all.
DiamondDoll
17-12-2015
If I read about a 'fix' one more time, I will not be responsible for my actions.






BeeBumble
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by robbleona:
“Georgia is hardly a non-dancer though is she? Even she has said she got fed up of ballet so moved to hip hop, not to mention her 'acting' abilities. I would prefer katie to win if it was a choice between the 3 girls tbh.”

Katie also used to ballet.
slappers r us
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by DiamondDoll:
“If I read about a 'fix' one more time, I will not be responsible for my actions.






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Its a fix for K&K to lift the glitterball
DiamondDoll
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“Its a fix for K&K to lift the glitterball ”

Just you wait slaps





memmh
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by BeeBumble:
“The right couple to lift the glitterball will be the couple with the most votes.

Whether you think it should be the couple who danced best on the night or the couple who have done best over all or the couple with the prettiest outfits it's subjective and there's no rule book on what you should base your votes on.

People should be allowed to vote for whoever they like. You may disagree with who they voted for and why but that doesn't make you right and them wrong. It's just a difference of opinion.”

Well said *applauds loudly*
JohnStannard
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“I vaguely remember that - what happened exactly?”

Rachel and Lisa got the same score and in those days the bottom couple got 1 point from the judges and the other 2 got 3. meaning that Rachel and Lisa each got 3 and Tom got 1 with the judges not 2 so even if that week Tom topped the vote he would have got 4 as a total wich is what the lowest total score would have got and whoever was 2nd would have got 5 points meaning that Tom would have been in the DO no matter what so they abandoned the results show
steff0202
17-12-2015
Whoever wins, it will be right couple 😀
DiamondDoll
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by steff0202:
“Whoever wins, it will be right couple 😀”

Agreed.

Whoever it is will have won the public vote.
nedtheatomic
17-12-2015
If the wrong couple win the glitterball ( with respect to John Hollin's lad) - the world will still keep spinning on its axis
JohnStannard
17-12-2015
I think whoever wins deserves it because they are all brilliant and its really hard to call. I have my fave of course and will be voting for Kanton but happy for whoever wins. To do all those dances and train for 16 weeks anyone who does that and wins throughally deserves it whether they are the best dancer or not. think it will be interesting since Kellie has being in the DO twice and hasnt had to slip down the leaderboard to be in trouble. All the other 3 have been near the bottom at least once and have escaped DO on that week. So whoever the public get behind is who should and will win. Its about popularity as much as dancing. Like me at college on student union it was about voting for the students. so i may not have had the best manifesto but people got behind me and voted for me and i ended up winning the position that doesnt mean that i dont deserve it becuase i may not have had the best manifesto i still deserved it because i got enough people to back me right? Same for this whoever the public back deserves to win. Like Tom and Chris people didnt think they would win. did a WOW dance and won. Same may happen to Katie or Kellie so dont count them out just yet as unlikey as they may seem to win
allaboard
17-12-2015
As said by previous posters, the right person wins every year.
Kiki_Kitten
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by allaboard:
“As said by previous posters, the right person wins every year.”

Agree.
And I don't get how people think participation in the tour makes the judges favour who gets to the final.
The tour tickets sell out as soon as they go on sale, which in Nottingham has been before the show has even started in September.

Go Jay! Katie! Georgia and Kellie! Lets have a great show night.
westlifefan123
18-12-2015
If K&K win the glitterball this year, I will be very angry
jtnorth
18-12-2015
Good luck to all of them - I hope they can all avoid mistakes and have dances in the final they can look back on with nothing but pride. I love my favourites whether they win or lose, and if they lose I won't love the dances I've loved an iota less.

Whoever wins will deserve it - and whoever wins some people on here will think them the wrong winners. Same as every other year.
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