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Old 17-12-2015, 18:02
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The decision to have Kat have given birth to twins and what's looking like Stacey having a half sibling are ingenious ways to rejuvenate the Slaters that are running thin on the ground. With Charlie being killed off, the Slaters are mostly a female strong family.

However, with Kat now having another son out there who will be 31, one can only assume that he at some point will move to Albert Square with endless possibilities of a family of his own, children, to construct a relationship between him and Kat and Alfie.

Then if we add Kyle to the mix, most likely Stacey's half sibling, we have another Slater to keep the legacy of the family. This would mean by 2016 we could have a Martin, Stacey, Lily, Rebecca, new born set up with Kyle with his own place on the Square (move in with Donna, relationship with Donna who needs something to do and they could bond over the difficulties they have faced?) Then you could have Kat, Alfie, Tommy, Bert and Ernie back in 23 (throw Zelda, Jade and Buster somewhere else) and then Kat's son and his family also moving into a house on the Square which would at some point require a Zoe return having found out she has a twin, and would give Mo a purpose on the Square again with a big brood.

I hope something like this works out because imo the Slaters are one of the best families on EastEnders and could do with being extended!
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Old 17-12-2015, 18:33
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I just cant get on board with the story at all. I've overlooked many retcons/inconsistencies since DTC took over but the idea that Kat gave birth to a baby that she was completely unaware of after recounting Zoë's birth in vivid detail on numerous occasions is just ridiculous, imo.
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Old 17-12-2015, 18:37
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Hi Dr,

1) DTC doesn't have good ideas, they are all terrible.
2) Are you an actual doctor? Asking for a friend.

Thanks.
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Old 17-12-2015, 18:41
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I just cant get on board with the story at all. I've overlooked many retcons/inconsistencies since DTC took over but the idea that Kat gave birth to a baby that she was completely unaware of after recounting Zoë's birth in vivid detail on numerous occasions is just ridiculous, imo.
Has Kat recounted the birth in vivid detail on many occasions? She went over Zoe's birth in the masterful SLATER WEEK of October 2001, but when else? I think it was just that once.

The convent episode made clear she was in a highly confused state which didn't contradict anything we were told before. I don't really see the problem.
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Old 17-12-2015, 18:53
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I agree OP. For me the SLATERS are up there with the MITCHELLS as EE's best family.

The Slaters are a family defined by strong women played by strong actresses with KAT and STACEY as the two stand out stars. Rebuilding the iconic Slater family around both of them while adding on male blood to keep the family name alive is a brilliant idea - one of DTC's very best.

Kat's son is particularly genius. Taking the most celebrated EE story of the millennium and then revisiting it with a fresh new twist is brilliant and inspired. Moving Kat on from feisty but troubled Slater sister to strong family Matriarch as Charlie dies position g her as head of the family is also brilliant.

Zoe and Sean are two losses to Kat and Stacey and the whole Slater family but DTC has cleverly found a way around that. Even more than create and introduce the CARTER'S, rebooting the Slaters will be my favourite thing DTC has done.
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Old 17-12-2015, 20:11
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Anything that gives Kat and Alfie more screen time is a terrible idea
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Old 17-12-2015, 20:17
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I'm looking forward to it too! All this retcon nonsense - oh, even if it is, so what? Get over it. If you don't like watching EastEnders when the Slaters are on, don't watch it. Easy.
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Old 17-12-2015, 21:08
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I agree with Ell, tbh the story done by Tony Jordan was pure genius, one of the best storylines/episodes EE have ever done in a period when the show was on a high, I will wait and see how it plays out but I'm not impressed by how DTC have twisted it.

Stacey's key storyline is hotting up and I'd be interested too see where that goes but for me the original Slater set up is the best, and I think giving Kat a another daughter would of been better if they have to go there.
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Old 17-12-2015, 21:14
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I agree with Ell, tbh the story done by Tony Jordan was pure genius, one of the best storylines/episodes EE have ever done in a period when the show was on a high, I will wait and see how it plays out but I'm not impressed by how DTC have twisted it.

Stacey's key storyline is hotting up and I'd be interested too see where that goes but for me the original Slater set up is the best, and I think giving Kat a another daughter would of been better if they have to go there.
I think if they had given Kat a daughter she'd always be compared to Zoe and therefore fall short. With a son you won't get the same comparisons and he'll be free to grow as a character in his own right.
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Old 17-12-2015, 23:44
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I too am really enjoying this rebuilding of the Slater family. They have been probably one of the most successful families since their arrival because of their memorable storylines and legendary characters. With the introduction of Kyle, it'll give Stacey some family until Kat and Alfie come back permanently. We've also got their Ireland spin off before this which should be interesting! Kat's son is also likely to make an appearance on the main show so coupled with the few Jean and Ollie appearances, the Slaters should have a big 2016 I think!
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Old 18-12-2015, 02:40
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What I don't get is - does Kat not realise she gave birth twice?
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Old 18-12-2015, 02:42
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What I don't get is - does Kat not realise she gave birth twice?
I don't get it either.

I'm fairly sure she detailed the birth to Zoe back in 2001, so it's a bit of a bodge job.
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Old 18-12-2015, 02:44
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I don't get it either.

I'm fairly sure she detailed the birth to Zoe back in 2001, so it's a bit of a bodge job.
I'm sure she did, did she just suddenly pass out and not notice she'd given birth again. I'm not a midwife but it doesn't seem likely, does it?
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Old 18-12-2015, 02:49
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I'm sure she did, did she just suddenly pass out and not notice she'd given birth again. I'm not a midwife but it doesn't seem likely, does it?
I've tried to find it on youtube, but that part of the episode from 2001 is not up anywhere.

But I'm so sure she did, she talked Zoe through it, and mentioned holding her for the first time and having her heart broken when Viv took Zoe away from her.

Also, I'm intrigued to see what inspired the Slaters to give away one of the twins.
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Old 18-12-2015, 03:37
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Has Kat recounted the birth in vivid detail on many occasions? She went over Zoe's birth in the masterful SLATER WEEK of October 2001, but when else? I think it was just that once.

The convent episode made clear she was in a highly confused state which didn't contradict anything we were told before. I don't really see the problem.
It does contradict. On SLATER WEEK, Kat described the birth of Zoe in vivid detail.
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Old 18-12-2015, 03:40
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It does contradict. On SLATER WEEK, Kat described the birth of Zoe in vivid detail.
I don't suppose anyone knows if that episode is available to watch any where?
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Old 18-12-2015, 03:40
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Couldn't disagree more. Lazy and smacks of desperation.
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Old 18-12-2015, 03:42
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I don't suppose anyone knows if that episode is available to watch any where?
I watched it about 6 months ago on YouTube. It was only the episode with Kat and Zoe in the house. Zoe in the bedroom and Kat at the other side of the door. The channel it was on might be deleted now? Try and give it a thorough look.
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Old 18-12-2015, 03:49
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The decision to have Kat have given birth to twins and what's looking like Stacey having a half sibling are ingenious ways to rejuvenate the Slaters that are running thin on the ground. With Charlie being killed off, the Slaters are mostly a female strong family.

However, with Kat now having another son out there who will be 31, one can only assume that he at some point will move to Albert Square with endless possibilities of a family of his own, children, to construct a relationship between him and Kat and Alfie.

Then if we add Kyle to the mix, most likely Stacey's half sibling, we have another Slater to keep the legacy of the family. This would mean by 2016 we could have a Martin, Stacey, Lily, Rebecca, new born set up with Kyle with his own place on the Square (move in with Donna, relationship with Donna who needs something to do and they could bond over the difficulties they have faced?) Then you could have Kat, Alfie, Tommy, Bert and Ernie back in 23 (throw Zelda, Jade and Buster somewhere else) and then Kat's son and his family also moving into a house on the Square which would at some point require a Zoe return having found out she has a twin, and would give Mo a purpose on the Square again with a big brood.

I hope something like this works out because imo the Slaters are one of the best families on EastEnders and could do with being extended!
No need to move Shirley, Jad and Buster out, Number 23 is two flats again (since June/July of this year) so Kat/Alfie and the brood could move into the ground floor flat. I they need a house 43 and 5 have no on-screen residents and are both houses (43 being turned back into a house when Jake and family moved in) and 18 will soon become a house again. From a flat point of view as well as 23A there are also vacant (unknow residents) in 3A/B below Martin/.Stacey and 47B above Donna. Off the Square there are the flats above the Bookies and the other properties on Turpin Road as well as on George Street with Billy.
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Old 18-12-2015, 11:30
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Anything that gives Kat and Alfie more screen time is a terrible idea
Agreed where Alfie is concerned. He's one of soap's worst characters along with Corrie's Sean Tully.
I'm sure she did, did she just suddenly pass out and not notice she'd given birth again. I'm not a midwife but it doesn't seem likely, does it?
Agreed. Giving birth to a baby hurts for a start and she would most certainly have felt it. Only a man could have dreamed this up.
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Old 18-12-2015, 11:44
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Kat was on amaaaaazing painkillers. The nuns used their entire supply of epidurals...
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Old 18-12-2015, 12:47
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Ingenious isn't the word I'd use for the Kat storyline. Idiotic is more fitting. I'd apply the word lazy to the Stacey story.

As for reviving the overrated Slaters, no thanks.

I just cant get on board with the story at all. I've overlooked many retcons/inconsistencies since DTC took over but the idea that Kat gave birth to a baby that she was completely unaware of after recounting Zoë's birth in vivid detail on numerous occasions is just ridiculous, imo.
Agreed.
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Old 18-12-2015, 12:51
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Kat didn't really go into VIVID detail in anyway that would contradict the new details that came to light over the summer. I mean, this is the first thing the team would do, check and verify already revealed information before putting the story together.

What happened in the convent, was a new, very earth shattering angle on the Kat/Zoe story.

And as for retcons, it's only retconning if they change significant details that do contradict what went before. Revealing a new angle in a story is not retconning. It's done in fiction all of the time.

Kat's son is a brave story to do, given the iconic status of the Kat/Zoe story in soap lore, but so far it's been written very well. Does not contradict anything, in fact gives a whole new insight into Kat's state on that night.
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Old 18-12-2015, 12:59
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I'm pleased the Skaters might be beffed up. Bring back Little Mo and Sean too.
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Old 18-12-2015, 13:15
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Let's just get this straight. Kat has not gone into 'vivid detail' on the birth on multiple occasions. It just isn't true so anybody saying that seems like they have an agenda. The circumstances of Zoe's birth would be painful to remember and had Kat highly emotional, it's not something she would constantly bring up and she didn't. She described the birth once to Zoe but as she doesn't remember having the twin she obviously wouldn't have mentioned him.

You can find the various scenes where the story is covered on YouTube and I don't feel any serious contradiction has been made. It's a TV show and you have to leave room for a degree of artistic licence.

After the reveal last May there was a massive buzz around the secret son and although reaction was mixed to a degree it was mostly positive I just hope that feeling hasn't been lost because they've dragged it out too long.
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