Well you are happy with the results, but I disagree with your thinking and the results. Not what what I was wanting at all. I liked Jay but he really wasn't what everyone was saying quality wise but hey ho that is what happens lol

Can I just say and excuse my language etc, but jesus h christ! What the hell has everyone else done for this kind of treatment? I thought I was okay with anyone winning before tonight, but I am actually quite upset. The whole show seems topsy turvy at the moment or is that just me?

I think it's like this after every final! Especially a final where the winner has been either slightly off or not the recognised strongest dancer (the forum during the final couple of weeks of series 6, with the mess of the Semi Final Dance Off and Tom winning, was seething, for example).

Last year, and I don't mean this in a bad way, I don't think people got behind any of the couples to such an extent. This year they did - and in turn maybe the dislike of certain couples are also turned up a notch, either because they're a threat to the favourites or people dislike the support the favourite is getting.

Yes you are probably right, it just doesn't sit well with me

Fudd, can you tell me what has happened to basdfg? He has posted tonight in a negative way that I wouldn't have believed a few years ago. What happened to him? As a fellow Eurovision forum member, can you tell me what it is?

With the decline of XF some of their less mature viewers appear to have turned to SCD.

I have absolutely no idea.

I think one issue with Strictly this year has been The X Factor's dramatic decline. It used to deflect all the fix allegations in it's pomp and the press were happy to let Strictly trundle on. Now people aren't interested in The X Factor the press have to turn their fire... and Strictly is the obvious option. If you start to really see a 'conspiracy' it's hard to let it go and things become magnified; especially if the press continue to dig. I wonder if that's happened to basdfg? He's spotted one and every little thing has been subsequently magnified, resulting in the posts he's made. I have to admit I was very surprised!

cowardly judges couldn't even bring themselves to be seen on camera after the result. Dump Len for next year and stop this ridiculous Machiavellian marking and commenting.

People talk about this now like it's a new thing. Where have you all been the past how many years? The judges have done it year after year where they have tried to engineer their chosen 1. I remember it going back as far as Zoe Ball's year.

I knew you would understand my shock Fudd! It seems so out of character as I knew him for example! Very strange! Anyway, congrats to winners and commiserations to the other fabulous dancers...

The judges were giving marks for the dances on the night. They gave their best marks to Kellie on the night. You agreed that she danced best on the night. Therefore. in that respect, you agreed with the judges. So I still don't see what you mean about 'manipulation', because in the series overall, Jay got more votes than Kellie.

Yes - I do think he is misunderstood.

I just think that a lot of people don't see that he's sending himself up.

They are judges. They're not engineering anything - if they 'judge' someone to be better than another or to put it another way - if they have a favourite then they are going to say so. Judging is what they are paid to do - it's tough if their opinion isn't the same as you but they are there to 'judge'. They aren't there to be impartial like the presenters.

That's a good point Fudd, because SCD 2015 has basically followed a similar pattern to previous years. Two parallels spring to mind: In 2014 Pixie unexpectedly went out in the quarter-final. Helen was 2015's Pixie. In 2008 Tom Chambers won despite only being third on judge's points in final where one couple scored 40/40. Jay was 2015's Tom. We've seen it all before. These things happen on Strictly.
In any case, I can't see any purpose in 'fixing' the Strictly result. Who would gain from the 'fix' ? All the contestants are 'BBC Employees' in that they're all being paid five-figure sums to take part in the show.

They're there to judge based on what is in front of them yet at times they've clearly not watched the same dances as many of us viewers have with their over marking and inconsistent judging. This leads me and others to the opinion that they are engineering the leader board based on who they think is over all best and not who is best on the day.

Dare I remind you of dance off gate?

They are professionals - do you think you know more about 'dance' than they do? They have spent all their working lives around 'dancing' - they have judged countless competitions.

A crowd pleasing dance isn't necessarily a judge pleasing dance. All four judges have areas of expertise and they judge accordingly. If the have a 'favourite' - it's because they judge them to be the best. I like SCD because we as the 'novices' also have a say.

I don't need to know more than them when I see a clumsy lift or a blatant error in timing or synchronisation that is ignored thank you.

OK.

Perhaps you should send your CV in - I hear this is Lens final year.

No thanks I have a job. You have a nice Christmas .

I must be the only one who didnt like K&K showdance

I thought it was ugly, a stompy version of the Charleston far too heavy footed

I see Lindy Hops nearly every weekend and they are far better than what K&K did

Why is there a thread complaining about 'manipulation' or bias that had zero influence?

I don't like Kevin because he's irritating. Over-excitable and a show off. Don't like his Mrs either.
I do like Joanne though.

I also don't like Gleb.

The only hunk on the show is the normal man from Sevenoaks, Kent. As far as I'm concerned...

What doesn't? That people are told to vote for their favourite dancer and, therefore they do just that and as a consequence, that person wins?
What's not sitting right about it?

What's your favourite or best isn't the same as someone else's, dance is subjective, based on emotions and what connects a routine performed on stage to the viewer watching it.


Both Craig and Darcy were interviewed at length on the red button coverage.


No they haven't only Len Goodman's been a Ballroom/Latin judge. Darcy's obviously been a ballerina, and both Bruno and Craig have backgrounds in musical theatre. So while they are "qualified" to offer opinions on elements of dancing, only Len actually has the technical background in 10 Dance.


You weren't, it was frenetic, mostly made up of Charleston not Lindyhop and while energy filled, was inelegant and at times appeared clumsy. It was, however, high impact performance and that pleases a lot of people and rightly so for entertainment values.

Tango is a ballroom dance therefore danced in ballroom hold - albeit hold is different to the other dances.

The lady should not be upright in Tango, she still needs to be into the mans right side and shaped out to the left/ The post about the ladies arm/had position is also incorrect.