He's a blank canvas who has become exactly what folks needed him to be. The biggest issue with the final is the he won but the belief by his fan club that he was the greatest ever dancer to be on Strictly has been dented. For some that belief has got to be held onto / put together again and the only way is to accuse the judges of bias. Rather than celebrate their win they are more concerned with proving themselves right.

Also some very knowledgable posters , some great personalities , some great sense of humours ,

Try focus on posts that you enjoy reading

Totally agree with you on that. Kevin is very annoying, this series n particular. He was forever popping up on ITT along side Zoe and acting the fool at the juke box. As I said before he just reminds me of Ernie Wise in one of 'those plays wrote' sketches. He seems to think his wriggling around gurning is great. It's not it is awful.
Kellie was great to start with but as the shows went on she got louder I think to keep up with Kevin.

If that were the case, that would probably be the saddest, most pathetic reason ever for disliking a particular individual.

Nor suggesting that your analysis is wrong, by the way.... but it would indeed be tragic beyond measure for anyone to be quite so petty. I suspect that anyone to whom this applied would, however, deny it vehemently.

You can say that again...

I agree for weeks imo they have at times appeared desperate to be the centre of attention at every opportunity and that does not come across well.

I'm sorry but you cannot seriously be claiming to know how or why a person should show their emotion - if someone wears their heart on their sleeve (so to speak) it doesn't make them any more or less genuine than someone who keeps their emotions bottled up inside

Also comparing an actress with a shy pop star is also completely ridiculous - of course they will express themselves in different ways; neither being any more or less annoying

Sorry for thread irrelevance but just had to point that out

I did think K&K were the best dancers last night but, it was too late as the public had chosen their winner several weeks ago. I think K&K gave it a bliddy good go but, having been in the DO twice I couldn't see how they could beat someone who had danced (for the most part) brilliantly all the way through the competition and didn't know what a DO looks like.

If there was any "manipulation" it was last week when the leader board was shaped so that Anita was bottom and Kellie was top. That awful Salsa/Samba or whatever it was cost Anita her place in the final and Gleb was badly advised to choreograph the dance that way. As a showdance it would have been fantastic but, as a "normal" dance it was awful and I couldn't see how she could avoid the DO. Once in the DO she should have danced her FT but, they stayed with the complicated "showdance" and it was all too easy for the judges to get rid of her.

IMHO it would appear that Anita was the person who suffered this year because tptb wanted Anton in his first ever final and Kevin to be in his third final in a row. I did agree with the judges that K&K have been very good throughout the series. However, the place to say it was the SF and not the final when the lines are still open. TXF has hemorrhaged viewers because of blatant manipulation over the years and it would be sad if SCD went the same way.

¬I love `Kevin, my favourite dancer, always seems to enjoy it, unlike `Jay` who always looks bored., even whene he comes on stage at the begining
```They put loads of content into their show dance unlike `Jay who just rehashed the previous routines.
`Kelly and `Kevin should have won or even `Georgia.

Anyone else noticed when they announced the winners they quickly showed a shot of some of the pro females and Kevins sister looked pissed lol

Always makes me laugh, that one!

Sorry but "shy" people don't take themselves into a world where they are constantly in the public gaze, where they perform in front of thousands/millions and where they are constantly required to promote themselves or their brand.

Being "reserved" or even experiencing stage fright, I can understand but that is not shyness. Jay McGuiness most certainly is not shy but he also does not possess a dynamic personality.

His dances were technically spot on most of the time but in terms of conveying personality or emotional storytelling, they invariably left me cold. The exception to that was the jive - where ironically he was only required to copy a character which had already been created by John Travolta.

I liked Kevin with Susannah . It was last year that he started to grate on me, then this year his partnership with Kellie has just irked me throughout. They are just too full-on for my liking. Their "Lindy Hop" encapsulated everything I didn't like about their dancing in that it was all athleticism and no artistry.

I don't agree they gave incorrect advice. They know more about than I do.

The difference is it has long been understood - and has now been officially confirmed - that the judges judge (or should judge) the dance off on that dance alone. When they failed to do so when it was Jamelia v Peter, they demonstrated a level of inconsistency at odds to their own rulesthat was impossible to overlook.

The public has always been exhorted to "vote for their favourite" and the reasons why a particular celeb or couple ends up as someone's favourite are myriad. Some will vote for consistency over the series, some will vote for the best dance(s) on the night, some will vote because they like the partnership dynamic, some will vote because they think X is cute, some will vote because they liked Y in that thing they did last year or because they won a medal in some event. None of those reasons are wrong or less valid than any other (a point many on here fail to grasp). There is nothing inconsistent about a large chunk of the audience/DS posters voting for their favourite because they happen to think that person was the best over the series as a whole. We're not held to the same rules as the judges.

I don't think there have been any "fixes" this series, not even Jameliagate, but I do think the judges have been even more obviously inconsistent than usual, and that's something I'd like to see corrected next year. But inconsistency isn't the same as rigging.

My post did not necessarily mean comments in the final - I meant during the whole series
The 3 judges do actually give incorrect technical advice as they are not ballroom/latin trained. Takes years to learn, and then some.

Gotcha. Either you explained it well or I'm getting less drunk! But thank you.

Though that still doesn't explain why Jay's fans shouldn't now be deleriously happy and forget the judges and all that palaver.

Hear, hear - well said Caro!

I think the public love Jay because he is so modest and humble, unlike K&K their shreiking all the time was extremely annoying!!!

Exactly! All we heard was how difficult it was to fit her training in with Eastenders - so who told her to take on Strictly whilst filming Eastenders? No sympathy whatsoever - just greed for money/fame.

That is a good point she would have been well aware before she started the show her Eastenders commitments.

Indeed... and that is why she was willing to train until midnight in the evenings in order to fit in her dance training around her day job. She did not seek "time off" or take a sabbatical. She did both simultaneously.

Nothing wrong with that and shows her to be both committed and reliable.

Like I said in my follow up post which you conveniently ignore, funny that , I don't need to be better than them or know more than them when there's a blatant error that is ignored.

Yes I wondered about this, because nothing was changed to overcome the comments made, so it should have been awarded the same as previously.

agree,agree,agree!! When he first arrived on the show,i thought he was a breath of fresh air ,but gradually he showed his true colours.Great dancer/choreographer but much too big headed nowadays!

As did Karen, I think they thought it was in the bag because of the marks they received, but they should never be complacent. I am sure people listen to the judges' comments, but I am not sure they take much notice of them when they vote.