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Old 20-12-2015, 10:36
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Except, when that show is (fi)X-Factor, when they always look the other way and whistle.
When do the press turn a blind eye about the x factor fixes. We know all about the fact Louisa has had management for years and applied for bgt first and was told to apply for x factor, we know Laura was in various bands and that most of the acts were hand picked. The press love to pick holes in everything.
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Old 20-12-2015, 10:54
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Tonight just proved that people vote for their favourite and don't necessarily listen to the judges. So the judges wouldn't have made much difference to the semi final. The person that kept Anita out of the final (who was my favourite) was Gleb with his bad choreography of a salsa. I loved watching that dance but it wasn't a salsa it was the wow traditional showdance that was missing last night. I did like Kellies showdance but it was a lindihop without anything special for the showdance as you get all the tricks traditionally anyway and georgia's was nice and a nice touch with the blindfold but her Charleston had more of a wow factor, especially with that lift, jays to me was disappointing although very well danced. That us why Anita and Gleb didn't get through. It was a brilliant dance and well danced but a few balance issues and not the dance it was bulked to be (in the same way georgias Rumba got lower marks the first time, not the right dance content although well danced).
Eloquently written I don't entirely agree with you but you are very convincing. IMO Len wanted Katie and that was it. Even if Anita had done their best, the judges would have saved Katie. Craig had started on Anita weeks ago. They wanted her out.
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Old 20-12-2015, 11:00
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Perhaps what he said was true, he had taken something to calm his nerves and was a little spaced out.

I did spot Aliona's husband in the audience a few times. So I doubt any snogging would be going on.

As for the newspapers total bollocks, Jay was the favourite from the start and his fans stayed with him until the end.
I called it week 1 that Jay would win, though I wasn't a Jay supporter, I loved Jeremy & Anita.

I wish I had placed a bet early on just like James Jordan did, oh well *shrugs*
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Old 20-12-2015, 11:05
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Eloquently written I don't entirely agree with you but you are very convincing. IMO Len wanted Katie and that was it. Even if Anita had done their best, the judges would have saved Katie. Craig had started on Anita weeks ago. They wanted her out.
I agree to some extent. I think that Craig is very passionate about the best dancers being in the final. Anita was great and amazing to watch, in fact her Blackpool dance was my favourite of the series, but she wasn't the best technical dancer and Craig loves to pick on peoples lack of technical ability. It is a bit like gymnastics where they get marked on technical difficulty. Anita would never score as highly on technical difficulty however great she was to watch. I loved their take on dances, their costumes, their partnership and Gleb is a very dynamic dancer but technically not so good. Craig would lose his dance credibility if he didn't mark down for it.
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Old 20-12-2015, 11:13
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Very strange reaction to winning. They seemed totally wrapped up in each other and somewhere apart from the real world. Most odd.
Yes, they seemed oblivious to anything going on around them - although I wouldn't call it "odd".
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Old 20-12-2015, 11:17
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I agree to some extent. I think that Craig is very passionate about the best dancers being in the final. Anita was great and amazing to watch, in fact her Blackpool dance was my favourite of the series, but she wasn't the best technical dancer and Craig loves to pick on peoples lack of technical ability. It is a bit like gymnastics where they get marked on technical difficulty. Anita would never score as highly on technical difficulty however great she was to watch. I loved their take on dances, their costumes, their partnership and Gleb is a very dynamic dancer but technically not so good. Craig would lose his dance credibility if he didn't mark down for it.
I enjoy your posts because you are the 'Voice of Reason'. But he always over marked Kellie and IMO Kellie was always technically the best. Katie made huge errors. Georgia also made many errors through the course of the show but I found her very exciting to watch. Only an opinion. I still feel that Anita and Gleb should have been in the final instead of Katie and maybe Helen instead of Kellie. I found both Kellie and Katie very boring to watch and for me not matter what I just couldn't take to them.
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Old 20-12-2015, 11:34
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Yes, they seemed oblivious to anything going on around them - although I wouldn't call it "odd".
They were so stunned at winning - probably all thoughts of which went out the window following the show dance comments. It's been far more for them though than just winning. Aliona said to Jay when he said she deserved it ' we both do, and we won on our terms '. Afterwards they were laughing and interacting with everyone - it was just the moment of winning and speeches that got to them deeply. They both deserved to win - a great teacher and Jay is a great dancer and nice with it. Public were behind them from the start and they weren't going to waver in the final
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Old 20-12-2015, 11:40
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I enjoy your posts because you are the 'Voice of Reason'. But he always over marked Kellie and IMO Kellie was always technically the best. Katie made huge errors. Georgia also made many errors through the course of the show but I found her very exciting to watch. Only an opinion. I still feel that Anita and Gleb should have been in the final instead of Katie and maybe Helen instead of Kellie. I found both Kellie and Katie very boring to watch and for me not matter what I just couldn't take to them.
Thanks, finally someone being positive about another poster! I would have preferred Anita in the final, neither Anita or Katie were ever going to win but would have loved to have seen Anita and glebs showdance. I didn't take to Helen at all and didn't like her dancing, to placed for me. I also didn't really take to Kellie on the show which is odd as liked her before and only liked a few of her dances whereas I liked all of anitas. Personal taste I guess.
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Old 20-12-2015, 11:46
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I think Jay was gutted for Aliona that the judges didn't 'get' their show dance. Between that and the controversial, but i think correct, decision not to do the jive again, they probably wondered if they'd blown it. He said on the Red Button interview they fully expected to go out first. I genuinely think they were just so shocked they had won. Georgia & Giovanni were fabulous & Kevin & Kellie threw everything at it.
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Old 20-12-2015, 12:50
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I called it week 1 that Jay would win, though I wasn't a Jay supporter, I loved Jeremy & Anita.

I wish I had placed a bet early on just like James Jordan did, oh well *shrugs*
Me too, he ticked every box, he could have fallen over (more than once) and he'd have still been home free.

I loved Jeremy and Anita too, it's contestants like these that leave me glued to the show
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Old 20-12-2015, 12:55
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Depends when you think the manipulation occurs. You could argue that the dance-offs were "fixed" in such a way that they ensured the four dancers they wanted to push made the final. Then you could argue over the editing of VTs, position, social media hype and even capacity of the phone lines.

Or you could get a life
This cracked me up - exactly what I've been thinking!
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Old 20-12-2015, 13:09
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Eloquently written I don't entirely agree with you but you are very convincing. IMO Len wanted Katie and that was it. Even if Anita had done their best, the judges would have saved Katie. Craig had started on Anita weeks ago. They wanted her out.
Yet Craig voted to keep Anita in over Katie... I don't understand your point here?? If anything Katie is the one who Craig was rotten to!
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Old 20-12-2015, 15:38
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Well, somehow the Mirror is reporting a fix:

Strictly Come Dancing bosses are facing fresh accusations that the show is fixed.

Viewers were left furious tonight after watching Kellie Bright lose to Jay McGuiness - despite being the clear favourite to win.

After wowing with her first dance of the final - a tango - the EastEnders actress and her professional dance partner Kevin Clifton got whopping perfect tens from judges Len Goodman, Craig Revel-Horwood, Darcy Bussell and Bruno Tonioli. TWICE.

Not only did that total her score to a perfect 80 but it marked the first ten Craig had given out a ten all series.

So when Jay was crowned the Strictly Come Dancing 2015 winner, some viewers were baffled and a little suspicious of the result.

Unsurprisingly, fans didn't hesitate when it came to venting on Twitter.

Sue Robinson fumed: "#Fix not happy. Kellie should have won #strictly. Not paying my fees next year.".

Brian Robertson then posted: "Total fix, can't believe Jay won. #Raging #Strictly."
Apart from not recognising that the judges' scores were for guidance only and did not count towards the final result, the report (and various Twitterati fans who either did not understand the voting or were simply stupid) seem to ignore the fact that the result was the opposite of the placement on the judges' scoreboard and relied upon the viewers alone.
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Old 20-12-2015, 15:43
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Very strange reaction to winning. They seemed totally wrapped up in each other and somewhere apart from the real world. Most odd. But there again, I have found him most odd all through the run. That reaction on ITT about wanting to rip a toddlers arms off was most bizarre, Granted it was probably a knee jerk caused by nerves but why on earth was the idea in his brain to start with? Very strange young man
I agree, it's been suggested elsewhere on numerous occasions that he is probably mildly autistic or similar. If that is so, then Aliona would have taken her cue from him when hearing they'd won.
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Old 20-12-2015, 19:20
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......... I can't see Jay making millions as a dance performer as some tabloids are suggesting. This win might be his career peak – but that's not a bad pinnacle!
He can sing too, so he should be a shoo-in for musical theatre, but he's going to need one hell of an acting coach!
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Old 20-12-2015, 19:23
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As I said, most winners cry, jump up and down with joy, celebrate with their fellow contestants, they just were a bit all over each other and a bit awkward. As I said, everyone is different though.
There have been plenty of couples who are intimate...it's called passion and focus
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Old 20-12-2015, 21:36
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There have been plenty of couples who are intimate...it's called passion and focus
There is intimate and there's INTIMATE. They just looked like they wanted to kiss. I haven't even seen the couple's that became couples look that intimate apart from Kara and Artem who I think kissed at the finale, but even they looked less intimate. Not saying anything is happening, but the chemistry is unreal.
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Old 20-12-2015, 23:12
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Who said Kellie had record breaking points, I didn't.
The daily fail
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Old 21-12-2015, 07:24
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A lot of the winners are female, and they often jump and down and squeal at the news that they have won. Jay is a different sort. He has always been a laid back unassuming type. That sort of behaviour would be entirely out of character. I think he was genuinely surprised to win because he knew that he had not done himself justice in the Final. The tabloids did print a picture of him and Aliona kissing at, or after, the wrap party - but they were exchanging a mutual kiss on the cheek, such as siblings or good friends might.
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Old 21-12-2015, 12:49
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Yet Craig voted to keep Anita in over Katie... I don't understand your point here?? If anything Katie is the one who Craig was rotten to!
He was paying lip service. The previous week to the semi final he was vile to Anita.
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