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Best dancer vs Best dance on the night
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Fudd
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by MrEdgarFinchley:
“Err, it was Musical week, which Kevin chose to give the full welly and interpret in that brash, vulgar and exciting way that makes Musical Theatre such a glorious art form. Others chose to pluck out a random toon, stick on some bizarre togs and just do the usual wafting around the dance floor. I suppose it was in tribute to the word of the Series - Understatement.

I'm with Craig (and Len) on this one.”

I think it's far cleverer to take the music, interpret it accordingly and make a recognisible dance out of it. Instead of throwing everything but technique or dance style at it and hoping.
Reserved
20-12-2015
On the night Georgia & Giovanni should have won.

Georgia's Rumba lacked the tension and atmosphere they managed to create in week three, but Kellie's Tango was a mess. Round 1 to Georgia.
Georgia's showdance was great, especially the contemporary bit at the start, and whilst I preferred it to Kellie's showdance, I think both were pretty much on a par - it comes down to individual taste, so neither won this round.
Georgia's Charleston shown Kellie's up - really awful tactical decision from Kellie & Kevin to choose their Charleston when they knew that Georgia's Charleston was one of the best and most memorable dances of this series. It was obvious that if Georgia didn't fall back on the spins like she did the first time, she'd get 40, so why even attempt to compete against that? It's such a risk and nine times out of ten, it won't pay off, and it didn't for Kellie. Round 3 to Georgia.

Georgia wins the night (I didn't bother to include Jay as he just underperformed all night, and was obviously the worst of the final three. Likewise, Katie clearly deserved to be eliminated when she was).

I also believe Georgia & Giovanni were the best throughout the series. They've got so many memorable dances. Started with a bang with the Jive, Rumba for the atmosphere they created, the Quickstep content was insane and so underrated - much better than Jay's two attempts, then she went into that brilliant run of Tango, Samba, Charleston and American Smooth. Foxtrot absolutely stunning and, whilst I'm no professional, many have said she deserved top spot for it as her technique was the best, and she smashed the Viennese Waltz.

She only had two weak dances - the Waltz and Cha-Cha-Cha. No one can deny her improvement week on week, not just technically but her performance and presence, too. By the end she was the most improved and the best all rounder.
Cadiva
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by babyboomer10:
“There is a lot of difference between the best dancer in the final and the one who does the best dances on the night. For one thing the judges choose 1 dance out of 3 and picking the lowest scoring dance means it is in the lap of the gods whether you get a crowd pleaser or a so-so choice.

After watching for about 12 weeks and finding 1 couple entertained me more than any other, I am not likely to suddenly change my vote to someone who happens to put on a good performance for 2-3 minutes from one who has been excellent and technically good week after week.

I suspect many others thought the same, hence Jay won.

Kellie's showdance was 'more exciting' because the speed & frenetic contortions of the Lindy Hop will always get the crowd up far more than Jay's regular dance theme, but that doesn't make Kellie a better dancer. It wasn't even a great showdance compared to previous years (think Natalie or Tom) but benefited from the low key performances of the previous 2, especially Jay's.

How can anyone compare the couple's choice and say that Kellie's Charleston v Jay's Paso made her a better dancer? One is a crazy jump aboutathon pulling funny faces while the other a strong powerful proper dance. Georgia's Charleston was better than Kellie's Charleston so does that make her a better dancer?

The first dance was the judges' choice and the idea was to see how they have improved since the first attempt and all 3 of them improved 3 totally different dances, QS, Tango and Rumba.”

And this is why people are told to vote for their favourite and not the best because it is utterly subjective.

Originally Posted by MrEdgarFinchley:
“In terms of performance, Kellie and Kevin owned the show from their Oom Pah Pah showstopper in the QF.”

For those who like that style of performance sure, not for me thanks. I'm not a fan of franetic overblown sell it to the back row of the theatre style routines when they're being danced on TV three foot in front of a camera.
Osusana
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Cadiva:
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For those who like that style of performance sure, not for me thanks. I'm not a fan of franetic overblown sell it to the back row of the theatre style routines when they're being danced on TV three foot in front of a camera.”

It was more The Good Old Days (if anyone else is that old) vaudeville, than anything worthy of a ballroom.
Next year, well no doubt get the Can Can and a bit of burlesque.
JulesLondon
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Reserved:
“On the night Georgia & Giovanni should have won.

Georgia's Rumba lacked the tension and atmosphere they managed to create in week three, but Kellie's Tango was a mess. Round 1 to Georgia.
Georgia's showdance was great, especially the contemporary bit at the start, and whilst I preferred it to Kellie's showdance, I think both were pretty much on a par - it comes down to individual taste, so neither won this round.
Georgia's Charleston shown Kellie's up - really awful tactical decision from Kellie & Kevin to choose their Charleston when they knew that Georgia's Charleston was one of the best and most memorable dances of this series. It was obvious that if Georgia didn't fall back on the spins like she did the first time, she'd get 40, so why even attempt to compete against that? It's such a risk and nine times out of ten, it won't pay off, and it didn't for Kellie. Round 3 to Georgia.

Georgia wins the night (I didn't bother to include Jay as he just underperformed all night, and was obviously the worst of the final three. Likewise, Katie clearly deserved to be eliminated when she was).

I also believe Georgia & Giovanni were the best throughout the series. They've got so many memorable dances. Started with a bang with the Jive, Rumba for the atmosphere they created, the Quickstep content was insane and so underrated - much better than Jay's two attempts, then she went into that brilliant run of Tango, Samba, Charleston and American Smooth. Foxtrot absolutely stunning and, whilst I'm no professional, many have said she deserved top spot for it as her technique was the best, and she smashed the Viennese Waltz.

She only had two weak dances - the Waltz and Cha-Cha-Cha. No one can deny her improvement week on week, not just technically but her performance and presence, too. By the end she was the most improved and the best all rounder.”

Absolutely agree with every word. GG for me won everything apart from the one thing out of reach due to Jay's phenomenal army
Cadiva
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Osusana:
“It was more The Good Old Days (if anyone else is that old) vaudeville, than anything worthy of a ballroom.
Next year, well no doubt get the Can Can and a bit of burlesque.”

I can absolutely appreciate the performance and energy levels and if I'd been watching it from the back row of a theatre it would have been fine. It probably worked much better in the studio as well.

But I'd have much preferred a dance which reflected the skills and abilities which Kellie had learnt over the series than a one off dance which was way too similar to her Charleston and Tango style.
MrEdgarFinchley
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Osusana:
“It was more The Good Old Days (if anyone else is that old) vaudeville, than anything worthy of a ballroom.
Next year, well no doubt get the Can Can and a bit of burlesque.”

Carry on wafting, then.
Everlong Girl
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by babyboomer10:
“But it is the inconsistency that annoys people and creates the apparent bias in viewers' minds, whether there is any or not. The VW is all about twirling round one way or another and many non-pros have had difficulty with dizziness.

Gleb produced 'innovative' choregraphy and was slated for not including enough of the basic dance moves. Kevin does a VW with hardly any waltzing, either to the right or left, and they get praised for it and everyone thinks Kellie is a great dancer, whereas the choreography was covering up her dancing to favour her acting & outgoing personality.”

^^^^This. I'm not a dancer but I know what a VW should look like and Kellie's VW didn't look like one. Therefore Kevin should have had the same dressing down that Giovanni got for his rumba content, Aljaz got for his rumba content and Gleb for his Salsa and Foxtrot content. There needs to be a degree of consistency from the judges - if they're going to criticise one for a lack of basic steps and content then they should criticise all who choreograph a dance with little basic and content.
Cadiva
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Everlong Girl:
“^^^^This. I'm not a dancer but I know what a VW should look like and Kellie's VW didn't look like one. Therefore Kevin should have had the same dressing down that Giovanni got for his rumba content, Aljaz got for his rumba content and Gleb for his Salsa and Foxtrot content. There needs to be a degree of consistency from the judges - if they're going to criticise one for a lack of basic steps and content then they should criticise all who choreograph a dance with little basic and content.”

However, the obvious difference is that Kellie & Kevin's routine fell during "Musicals" Week and, therefore, was themed so they could "get away with it" as their dance was a very good homage to the routine in the original musical.
So I can see why there was less criticism of it not being a traditional VW as it would have been very difficult to do one to that particular song.
babyboomer10
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Cadiva:
“However, the obvious difference is that Kellie & Kevin's routine fell during "Musicals" Week and, therefore, was themed so they could "get away with it" as their dance was a very good homage to the routine in the original musical.
So I can see why there was less criticism of it not being a traditional VW as it would have been very difficult to do one to that particular song.”

Now come on. Hum the tune Oom Pah Pah. In your head count 1 2 3, 1 2 3, 1 2 3

What better tune to do a fast VW spinning round the floor like it is supposed to be?
Second_Banana
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Everlong Girl:
“^^^^This. I'm not a dancer but I know what a VW should look like and Kellie's VW didn't look like one. Therefore Kevin should have had the same dressing down that Giovanni got for his rumba content, Aljaz got for his rumba content and Gleb for his Salsa and Foxtrot content. There needs to be a degree of consistency from the judges - if they're going to criticise one for a lack of basic steps and content then they should criticise all who choreograph a dance with little basic and content.”

This. I have no problem with content rules being upheld but you can't expect a pro to know what s/he can/can't choreograph when the rules change depending which week it is/which couple they're judging. Kellie and Kevin's musical theatre routine getting straight 9s a week before the semis and Len's 'propah content' rant irked me no end.

And you can most definitely Viennese Waltz to Oom Pah Pah. I don't care for the song but Viennese Waltzes often use oom pah pah accompaniment patterns. It wouldn't have been a Helen-esque Viennese Waltz but it didn't need to be - it would still have been perfectly possible to spend a lot of it in hold and ... not on a table. Likewise with Jay's Foxtrot - very little of it was in hold (probably because he's so much better out of it.)

Apply the rules consistently or extend the same leniency to all couples.
Everlong Girl
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Cadiva:
“However, the obvious difference is that Kellie & Kevin's routine fell during "Musicals" Week and, therefore, was themed so they could "get away with it" as their dance was a very good homage to the routine in the original musical.
So I can see why there was less criticism of it not being a traditional VW as it would have been very difficult to do one to that particular song.”

A theme week shouldn't be a cover or excuse for a lack of content in a dance.

I liked Kellie's performance to Oom-pah-pah but it wasn't recognisable as a VW.
guiser
20-12-2015
If Jay hadn't won, it would have been an 'On The Night' situation based on that No Showdance.
Personally, I think that would have been unfair, as he's been pretty consistent throughout and it was Aliona who threw away the Showdance opportunity.
I think the Great British Public got that.

On the night, I think Georgia won it, but though she's been good, a lot of her dances throughout the series were a bit forgettable.
As for Kellie, it was too often a case of "quickness of the hand deceives the eye", with the dances disappearing under an avalanche of showbiz and spectacle.
joshjackson
21-12-2015
Honestly, I felt that from semis onwards, Kellie upped her game while the rest stagnated. She wasn't my favourite, but I think she "deserved" it. The judges kept saying Jay was the most consistent but for me Kellie was the most consistent throughout the season. She didn't have major stumbles in dances unlike Jay who stumbled in foxtrot and QS.

Jay was the weakest on finals night imo. He didn't have a "wow" dance. For me Kellie was the best dancer overall on finals night while Georgia had the best dance of the night (the charleston).

I do think that Jay won because of the jive.
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