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Old 21-12-2015, 15:49
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It simply didn't deserve a ten in Craig's opinion - It's not rocket science.
Why create conspiracies when simple truths are the answer? Folks can disagree but there it is. He CRH didn't believe it deserved a 10.
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Old 21-12-2015, 15:50
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Who or what are the ovaries thread?
Not sure which thread exactly but apparently Jay's fans all vote how their ovaries tell them to
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Old 21-12-2015, 15:52
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Not sure which thread exactly but apparently Jay's fans all vote how their ovaries tell them
So on that basis, I suppose it's safe to assume that all Georgia's voters were having a tugging completion 😗
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Old 21-12-2015, 16:00
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So on that basis, I suppose it's safe to assume that all Georgia's voters were having a tugging completion 😗
So where does that leave Kellie?
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Old 21-12-2015, 16:11
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Dances that Mr RH has believed worthy of a ten in the past -

Matt di Angelo's waltz
Lisa Snowdon's quickstep
Lisa Snowdon's cha cha
Pamela Stephenson's quickstep
Jason Donovan's AT
Abbey Clancy's salsa

Who gives a toss what this overblown drama queen thinks? Why are we still treating him as though his opinion is worth so much more than the rest? His background isn't in ballroom or Latin and he's shown he's got just as much bias and agenda as anyone else on the panel. He's not God's gift to judging, he's a very naughty boy.
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Old 21-12-2015, 16:16
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He was judging with his mangina?

Totally.
And who would want a Craig 10 anyway, considering he gave Chris Hollins, Dame Pamela of Stephenson and Jason Donovan a 10?
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Old 21-12-2015, 16:20
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Well, they did both start smiling half way through - verboten in the paso - so I suppose he could use that as an excuse if push came to shove...........
The ghastly Kellie gurned all the way through the tango, it didn't prevent her getting 10's across the board.
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Old 21-12-2015, 16:21
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Totally.
And who would want a Craig 10 anyway, considering he gave Chris Hollins, Dame Pamela of Stephenson and Jason Donovan a 10?
I forgot that one. Consider it added to my list above.
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Old 21-12-2015, 16:31
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Because he has his favourites and isn't always right.

He gave a 10 for Abbey's Salsa, for goodness' sake.

And a 9 for Rachel's Rhumba.

Enough said.
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Old 21-12-2015, 16:31
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I didn't think it was a "10" either. A good dance but he didn't really look believable in a way. His arms were a bit soft and lacking the resistance latin dancers should have. That same feature was a boon to his waltz when out of hold though. You could really see his contemporary experience coming through. I didn't really begrudge the smile though!

It was still a great dance (and paso is hard!) so i can see why people liked it but imo as deserving as kellies tango for a ten (ie it didn't deserve it despite being a good dance.)
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Old 21-12-2015, 16:33
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It simply didn't deserve a ten in Craig's opinion - It's not rocket science.
Yes, exactly. Now, due to to his lack of ballroom knowledge, I am not a fan of Craig as a judge (as a personality/entertainer he's fine). However since he is a judge he has to score the dances according to his own opinion and not try and synchronise with public opinion.

It's interesting, because usually the vast majority of people are praising Craig as being the only worthwhile judge simply because he scores lower (an argument with which I've always disagreed).
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Old 21-12-2015, 16:38
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yes I was ova there earlier silently egging everyone on.
Brilliant exchange between Penny Crayon and MayD nominated for Post of the Day
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Old 21-12-2015, 17:17
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Yes, exactly. Now, due to to his lack of ballroom knowledge, I am not a fan of Craig as a judge (as a personality/entertainer he's fine). However since he is a judge he has to score the dances according to his own opinion and not try and synchronise with public opinion.

It's interesting, because usually the vast majority of people are praising Craig as being the only worthwhile judge simply because he scores lower (an argument with which I've always disagreed).

He totally brings it down to his personal tastes and clearly loves the loud and tacky. If he is remarking on techniques itll usually be how "xxxx could gave been much much higher" "bigger" etc...
Even Len and Darcy got irritated by his remarks for Jays rumba and tango because if these personal reasons.

As u mentioned, just because hes usually the lowest scorer doesnt mean hes any more right or wrong than the other judges. If i was a contestent I really wouldnt worry about trying to nab a 10 from the panto dame
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Old 21-12-2015, 17:24
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It's interesting, because usually the vast majority of people are praising Craig as being the only worthwhile judge simply because he scores lower (an argument with which I've always disagreed).
Wasn't there a poll recently on DS where all the judges came out fairly evenly as people's favourites? I think Craig's supporters feel the need to speak out more, probably because they disagree with the three other judges every week.
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Old 21-12-2015, 17:24
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Craig consistently marked Jay down for lack of expression. Personally I found that a bit lame TBH - it was as if he begrudged giving him higher marks but that's Craig for you.

I think Jay and Aliona just weren't raucous and bawdy enough for Craig - he was unable to appreciate the skill and subtlety.

Just my opinion.
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Old 21-12-2015, 17:37
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Craig consistently marked Jay down for lack of expression. Personally I found that a bit lame TBH - it was as if he begrudged giving him higher marks but that's Craig for you.

I think Jay and Aliona just weren't raucous and bawdy enough for Craig - he was unable to appreciate the skill and subtlety.

Just my opinion.
One with which I concur. I don't think Craig is big on subtlety.
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Old 21-12-2015, 17:37
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Is a difference of one mark really that awful? 39 rather than 40 isn't so bad. There's a handful of dances so iconic to Strictly that them not getting 40 would be a crime, and I don't think that paso was one of them.

Dances that deserved about 34 at best actually getting 40 is another matter...
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Old 21-12-2015, 17:40
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Craig always seems to prefer celebrities a la Lisa Riley so Jay would never reach his idea of perfect. In my opinion he is far more focused on "performance" than on good dancing. His reluctance to give Jay a 10 throughout the series, despite awarding Kellie two just proves this. It does not bother me in the slightest though because, in the end, the public clearly did prefer the dancing to the performance. My only objection to Craig's marks/comments on the night was his remark about Jay having "no personality whatsoever". That is both very nasty and very unfair. He has always had a personality, just not one that appeals to Craig.
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Old 21-12-2015, 17:45
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Dance of the night but Craig seem determined not to give it a 10 and reward it the 40 it deserved, yet gave that horrid tango Kellie and Kevin danced a 10?
Because he wanted georgia (preferably), or kellie to win. That was obvious in his crass comments about jay.
When on red button he said something about the public voting for a dancer who is 'not necessarily the best... yeah, ok. Hard luck craig, see you next year
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Old 21-12-2015, 17:48
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It doesn't matter in the long run, really, though the idea that he might not realize we see right through his rubbish claims of looking for the "perfect dahce, dahling" makes me laugh.

You're not looking for a perfect dance, Craig dahling. You're looking for a perfectly overegged performance.
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Old 21-12-2015, 17:55
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It doesn't matter in the long run, really, though the idea that he might not realize we see right through his rubbish claims of looking for the "perfect dahce, dahling" makes me laugh.

You're not looking for a perfect dance, Craig dahling. You're looking for a perfectly overegged performance.
His love and admiration for Funnity bears that out imo
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Old 21-12-2015, 17:58
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That maybe the case but that doesn't take away the fact Craig clearly just liked it. Also the no drama thing seems to be more down to the music than the fault of Kellie or Kevin.
Tell me the last serious dancers in focus you witnessed smiling during a final dance tango

Blame the pro maybe but they did not attempt the drama essential in tango
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Old 21-12-2015, 18:19
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Is a difference of one mark really that awful? 39 rather than 40 isn't so bad. There's a handful of dances so iconic to Strictly that them not getting 40 would be a crime, and I don't think that paso was one of them.

Dances that deserved about 34 at best actually getting 40 is another matter...
The jive was though...

*opens can. flicks worms all over the place.*
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Old 21-12-2015, 19:02
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Because he wanted georgia (preferably), or kellie to win. That was obvious in his crass comments about jay.
When on red button he said something about the public voting for a dancer who is 'not necessarily the best... yeah, ok. Hard luck craig, see you next year
Why can't Jay fans just accept that CRH didn't think Jay was the best dancer. Jay won as he was the most popular like every other winner. Some have been the best dancer some haven't. It matters not one jot in a popularity contest.
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Old 21-12-2015, 19:09
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Why can't Jay fans just accept that CRH didn't think Jay was the best dancer. Jay won as he was the most popular like every other winner. Some have been the best dancer some haven't. It matters not one jot in a popularity contest.
Because Craig is acting like we just voted Chris Hollins to win all over again. This is Jay we're talking about. He may not have thrown out enough jazz hands to please Craig, but for Craig to practically act like we'd just handed the glitterball to Ann bloody Widdecombe is a bit insulting to the winner.
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