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If we choose to be picky, none of them was perfect; nothing ever really is. So, if you're going to award 40s for Kellie lagging a bit behind at the end and Georgia going a bit out of synch here and there, then I'd have thought Jay "deserved" a 40 just as much as them.
He doesn't pay that much attention, but he noticed that. But as the OP says, none if them can be perfect, they're not professionals. (Sorry, can't multiquote) |
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(Sorry, can't multiquote)
Then click the 'Add Reply' button. Robert is the brother of one of your parents
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Click the 'Multiquote' button in each of the posts you want to include in your response (It's the middle of the three icons in the bottom right hand corner of each post and if you hover your mouse over it the words will appear on the screen)
Then click the 'Add Reply' button. Robert is the brother of one of your parents ![]()
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Close but not quite. His wording was much more deliberate and implied the public who voted for Jay did so for reasons other than disagreeing with him over whether Jay was the best of the finalist.
I know I'll probably get accused of wearing a tin foil hat (and I kind of feel like I'm wearing one for typing this) but I personally don't believe the choice not to dance the Jive was Jay and Aliona's. The way they announced they wouldn't and gave their reasons in various interviews were a bit odd and certainly Tess's comments seemed to suggest there was an issue with the bosses for even suggesting they should have. Putting that aside though the judges did had an opportunity to give the jive a 40 the first time. Now we're left with the bizarre reality that a dance those same judges have hailed as the best dance of the series and one of the best dances in the show ever doesn't get full marks. I'm not blaming anyone for that, like I said the show has a narrative and it doesn't include anyone getting a 40 in week 3. I understand and accept that. Still I still have a sneaking suspicion had they performed it Len and Darcy would have upped their scores but Craig's would have remained constant...but we'll never know for sure. With the jive, I believe production actually wanted him to do it, that's why Tess and the like were going on about it. I don't think anyone but Jay and Aliona decided not to do it, I even think they tried to force their hand into it by saying nobody could dance a three week ago dance either, so eliminating the tango too. I don't believe Craig wouldn't have given him a ten if it were as good or better, Criag raved about his jive everywhere. |
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I may not agree with everything you are saying but fair enough and Craig can score as he wishes. A comment above mentions how much he is focused on the "performance" value, even if it means ignoring mistakes. As with anyone he also has a specific notion of what performance means. So be it.
Not that it really matters but more out of interest, the BIB, I checked and both Kara and Alesha did receive 10s from Craig (in the final once each). Both times Len prevented the 40. So it's true they won without 40s but not without a 10 from Craig (or the others) among their scores. Does anyone know if there has been a winner who actually didn't receive a 10 from Craig? Tom didn't get a ten from Craig did he? Obviously early days Natasha too. |
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Well clearly Matthew (whoever he is) thought she was storming the final and others like you thought so too.
That really doesn't make it true - quite clearly Jay stormed the final in the publics eyes. There is no right and no wrong on this - just peoples opinions and then it's the result that tells us who stormed. Your reasoning doesn't make it true either. How is it that Jay stormed the final just because he won? People were preparing to vote many times for him before he even danced, he could have fallen over and people were poised to vote multiple times anyway, at that point it is popularity, which he stormed, but people were determined to vote for him, no matter what he danced like. |
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Well ....................I loved it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kaoLS3B4kg It's a 10 from me! and as far as Tangos go - I think 40 should be for perfection This was perfection IMO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3uhJNgtNrY |
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Well ....................I loved it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kaoLS3B4kg It's a 10 from me! and as far as Tangos go - I think 40 should be for perfection This was perfection IMO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3uhJNgtNrY *takes breath and reloads* That tango (above) got 38 and that effing tango got 40. Worraloadofoldshit. |
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Well it was certainly better than the tango that actually got 40.
*takes breath and reloads* That tango (above) got 38 and that effing tango got 40. Worraloadofoldshit. ![]() ![]() ![]() Certainly is. |
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The idea that there is or was some blind bias towards Jay doesn't really make sense. There will always be a minority who lose perspective but I am talking in general. If it was someone like David Beckham going into the show with lots of super-fans already in place, maybe I could buy it. But Jay was arguably one of the less well recognized members of a band that many would have only known as "the guys who are not One Direction". Clearly most of the fans he has acquired have become so based on his dancing over the series (including one that for many is perhaps the best dance the show has seen), with perhaps a feeling that he is also a decent and nice guy. Is that not how it is supposed to work, and completely reasonable?
Some think Kellie deserves credit for her final performances, some think Jay deserves credit for his performances over the series as a whole. Both of these seem fair enough to me. Also if some think Jay deserves more credit (from the judges especially) for what he did in the final, what's so wrong in that? If they have become a fan based on his dancing it is surely understandable that they might have a higher opinion of his final dances than some other's opinions. The idea that they are just incapable of seeing things honestly due to some OTT bias towards someone many (if not most) had hardly heard of at the start seems unlikely. ![]() Seriously though, thanks for this brilliant post!
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I thought I saw Alesha saying on a show Craig never thought her a ten. Apologies. I knew Craig gave Kara tens though.
Tom didn't get a ten from Craig did he? Obviously early days Natasha too.
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His opinion. I think Craig is a good and fair judge. The judges see things from a different perspective to ours, I trust them.
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The only two dances that deserved 40 in the final were Kellie's showdance and Georgia's Charleston. The rest were good but not perfect.
However, Georgia was out of time and sync on her final spins so shouldn't have had a 10 for that even though her Charleston is my second favourite routine of the whole series. Quote:
His opinion. I think Craig is a good and fair judge. The judges see things from a different perspective to ours, I trust them.
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His opinion. I think Craig is a good and fair judge. The judges see things from a different perspective to ours, I trust them.
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Well ....................I loved it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kaoLS3B4kg It's a 10 from me! and as far as Tangos go - I think 40 should be for perfection This was perfection IMO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3uhJNgtNrY |
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His opinion. I think Craig is a good and fair judge. The judges see things from a different perspective to ours, I trust them.
Len is a particular culprit. 'I'm looking for xyz' he'll say one week, and penalise someone for not delivering that. Then the following week he completely ignores the fact that one of his favourites also hasn't delivered xyz and gives them a higher mark. ![]() ![]()
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His opinion. I think Craig is a good and fair judge. The judges see things from a different perspective to ours, I trust them.
Increasingly, I'm thinking I'd rather trust a cannibal with my left leg, a carving knife and a bottle of ketchup. |
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That's generous of you.
Increasingly, I'm thinking I'd rather trust a cannibal with my left leg, a carving knife and a bottle of ketchup. |
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His opinion. I think Craig is a good and fair judge. The judges see things from a different perspective to ours, I trust them.
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That's generous of you.
Increasingly, I'm thinking I'd rather trust a cannibal with my left leg, a carving knife and a bottle of ketchup. ![]() Time to bump the Post of the Day thread again! |
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The idea that there is or was some blind bias towards Jay doesn't really make sense. There will always be a minority who lose perspective but I am talking in general. If it was someone like David Beckham going into the show with lots of super-fans already in place, maybe I could buy it. But Jay was arguably one of the less well recognized members of a band that many would have only known as "the guys who are not One Direction". Clearly most of the fans he has acquired have become so based on his dancing over the series (including one that for many is perhaps the best dance the show has seen), with perhaps a feeling that he is also a decent and nice guy. Is that not how it is supposed to work, and completely reasonable?
Some think Kellie deserves credit for her final performances, some think Jay deserves credit for his performances over the series as a whole. Both of these seem fair enough to me. Also if some think Jay deserves more credit (from the judges especially) for what he did in the final, what's so wrong in that? If they have become a fan based on his dancing it is surely understandable that they might have a higher opinion of his final dances than some other's opinions. The idea that they are just incapable of seeing things honestly due to some OTT bias towards someone many (if not most) had hardly heard of at the start seems unlikely. ![]() ![]()
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Matthew is a world famous choreographer.
Your reasoning doesn't make it true either. How is it that Jay stormed the final just because he won? People were preparing to vote many times for him before he even danced, he could have fallen over and people were poised to vote multiple times anyway, at that point it is popularity, which he stormed, but people were determined to vote for him, no matter what he danced like. |
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That's generous of you.
Increasingly, I'm thinking I'd rather trust a cannibal with my left leg, a carving knife and a bottle of ketchup. Sounds like something Blackadder would be proud of!
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Seriously though, thanks for this brilliant post!


