Why was Craig determined not to give that Paso a 10?

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Fred.

22-12-2015

Originally Posted by catspaw:
“If we choose to be picky, none of them was perfect; nothing ever really is. So, if you're going to award 40s for Kellie lagging a bit behind at the end and Georgia going a bit out of synch here and there, then I'd have thought Jay "deserved" a 40 just as much as them.”

My OH, not particularly interested in Strictly, said just the same.

He doesn't pay that much attention, but he noticed that.

But as the OP says, none if them can be perfect, they're not professionals.

(Sorry, can't multiquote)

MayD

22-12-2015

Originally Posted by Fred.:
“(Sorry, can't multiquote)”

Click the 'Multiquote' button in each of the posts you want to include in your response (It's the middle of the three icons in the bottom right hand corner of each post and if you hover your mouse over it the words will appear on the screen)

Then click the 'Add Reply' button.

Robert is the brother of one of your parents

Fred.

22-12-2015

Originally Posted by MayD:
“Click the 'Multiquote' button in each of the posts you want to include in your response (It's the middle of the three icons in the bottom right hand corner of each post and if you hover your mouse over it the words will appear on the screen)

Then click the 'Add Reply' button.

Robert is the brother of one of your parents ”

amelia_lee

22-12-2015

Originally Posted by farscape:
“Close but not quite. His wording was much more deliberate and implied the public who voted for Jay did so for reasons other than disagreeing with him over whether Jay was the best of the finalist.

I know I'll probably get accused of wearing a tin foil hat (and I kind of feel like I'm wearing one for typing this) but I personally don't believe the choice not to dance the Jive was Jay and Aliona's. The way they announced they wouldn't and gave their reasons in various interviews were a bit odd and certainly Tess's comments seemed to suggest there was an issue with the bosses for even suggesting they should have.

Putting that aside though the judges did had an opportunity to give the jive a 40 the first time. Now we're left with the bizarre reality that a dance those same judges have hailed as the best dance of the series and one of the best dances in the show ever doesn't get full marks. I'm not blaming anyone for that, like I said the show has a narrative and it doesn't include anyone getting a 40 in week 3. I understand and accept that. Still I still have a sneaking suspicion had they performed it Len and Darcy would have upped their scores but Craig's would have remained constant...but we'll never know for sure.”

Hiw wording was pretty much what you wanted him to say.

With the jive, I believe production actually wanted him to do it, that's why Tess and the like were going on about it.
I don't think anyone but Jay and Aliona decided not to do it, I even think they tried to force their hand into it by saying nobody could dance a three week ago dance either, so eliminating the tango too.

I don't believe Craig wouldn't have given him a ten if it were as good or better, Criag raved about his jive everywhere.

amelia_lee

22-12-2015

Originally Posted by The_Bonobo:
“I may not agree with everything you are saying but fair enough and Craig can score as he wishes. A comment above mentions how much he is focused on the "performance" value, even if it means ignoring mistakes. As with anyone he also has a specific notion of what performance means. So be it.

Not that it really matters but more out of interest, the BIB, I checked and both Kara and Alesha did receive 10s from Craig (in the final once each). Both times Len prevented the 40. So it's true they won without 40s but not without a 10 from Craig (or the others) among their scores. Does anyone know if there has been a winner who actually didn't receive a 10 from Craig?”

I thought I saw Alesha saying on a show Craig never thought her a ten. Apologies. I knew Craig gave Kara tens though.

Tom didn't get a ten from Craig did he? Obviously early days Natasha too.

amelia_lee

22-12-2015

Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Well clearly Matthew (whoever he is) thought she was storming the final and others like you thought so too.

That really doesn't make it true - quite clearly Jay stormed the final in the publics eyes. There is no right and no wrong on this - just peoples opinions and then it's the result that tells us who stormed.”

Matthew is a world famous choreographer.

Your reasoning doesn't make it true either. How is it that Jay stormed the final just because he won? People were preparing to vote many times for him before he even danced, he could have fallen over and people were poised to vote multiple times anyway, at that point it is popularity, which he stormed, but people were determined to vote for him, no matter what he danced like.

Penny Crayon

22-12-2015

Well ....................I loved it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kaoLS3B4kg

It's a 10 from me!

and as far as Tangos go - I think 40 should be for perfection

This was perfection IMO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3uhJNgtNrY

MayD

22-12-2015

Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Well ....................I loved it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kaoLS3B4kg

It's a 10 from me”

It's a 10 from Pen!!!!

Penny Crayon

22-12-2015

Originally Posted by MayD:
“It's a 10 from Pen!!!! ”

ROFL

tabithakitten

22-12-2015

Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Well ....................I loved it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kaoLS3B4kg

It's a 10 from me!

and as far as Tangos go - I think 40 should be for perfection

This was perfection IMO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3uhJNgtNrY”

Well it was certainly better than the tango that actually got 40.

*takes breath and reloads*

That tango (above) got 38 and that effing tango got 40.

Worraloadofoldshit.

Rhumbatugger

22-12-2015

Originally Posted by tabithakitten:
“Well it was certainly better than the tango that actually got 40.

*takes breath and reloads*

That tango (above) got 38 and that effing tango got 40.

Worraloadofoldshit.”

Certainly is.

Tejas

22-12-2015

Originally Posted by The_Bonobo:
“The idea that there is or was some blind bias towards Jay doesn't really make sense. There will always be a minority who lose perspective but I am talking in general. If it was someone like David Beckham going into the show with lots of super-fans already in place, maybe I could buy it. But Jay was arguably one of the less well recognized members of a band that many would have only known as "the guys who are not One Direction". Clearly most of the fans he has acquired have become so based on his dancing over the series (including one that for many is perhaps the best dance the show has seen), with perhaps a feeling that he is also a decent and nice guy. Is that not how it is supposed to work, and completely reasonable?

Some think Kellie deserves credit for her final performances, some think Jay deserves credit for his performances over the series as a whole. Both of these seem fair enough to me. Also if some think Jay deserves more credit (from the judges especially) for what he did in the final, what's so wrong in that? If they have become a fan based on his dancing it is surely understandable that they might have a higher opinion of his final dances than some other's opinions. The idea that they are just incapable of seeing things honestly due to some OTT bias towards someone many (if not most) had hardly heard of at the start seems unlikely. ”

You seem far too intelligent and rational for Digital Spy!

Seriously though, thanks for this brilliant post!

The_Bonobo

22-12-2015

Originally Posted by amelia_lee:
“I thought I saw Alesha saying on a show Craig never thought her a ten. Apologies. I knew Craig gave Kara tens though.

Tom didn't get a ten from Craig did he? Obviously early days Natasha too.”

Ye Natasha is a different situation but you are right about Tom. I was thinking "no surely the showdance" but they didn't mark that. If they did I am certain it would have been 40. But there you go Tom never got a 10 from Craig.

AntoniaA

22-12-2015

His opinion. I think Craig is a good and fair judge. The judges see things from a different perspective to ours, I trust them.

Cadiva

22-12-2015

Originally Posted by Littlegreen42:
“The only two dances that deserved 40 in the final were Kellie's showdance and Georgia's Charleston. The rest were good but not perfect.”

I mostly agree. Kellie's Tango was overmarked, Jay's Paso was good but he smiled (not that I have a problem with him showing how much he was enjoying it but it's technically not supposed to be a "smiley dance") and while Kellie's Lindy Hop was not my style, it was very well executed but she ran out of steam towards the end.

However, Georgia was out of time and sync on her final spins so shouldn't have had a 10 for that even though her Charleston is my second favourite routine of the whole series.

Originally Posted by AntoniaA:
“His opinion. I think Craig is a good and fair judge. The judges see things from a different perspective to ours, I trust them.”

They are human and subject to the same likes, dislikes and inherent bias as anyone else.

pabird

22-12-2015

Originally Posted by AntoniaA:
“His opinion. I think Craig is a good and fair judge. The judges see things from a different perspective to ours, I trust them.”

Explain the Lisa Riley marks from Craig

LaughingSock

22-12-2015

I wish they hadn't banned dances from the last three weeks. I would have loved seeing that tango again. THAT should have received a 40, not that week 1 crap in the final.

nelliek

22-12-2015

Originally Posted by AntoniaA:
“His opinion. I think Craig is a good and fair judge. The judges see things from a different perspective to ours, I trust them.”

I don't mind them seeing things from a different perspective, but I do object to them changing that perspective to suit themselves.

Len is a particular culprit. 'I'm looking for xyz' he'll say one week, and penalise someone for not delivering that. Then the following week he completely ignores the fact that one of his favourites also hasn't delivered xyz and gives them a higher mark.

tabithakitten

22-12-2015

Originally Posted by AntoniaA:
“His opinion. I think Craig is a good and fair judge. The judges see things from a different perspective to ours, I trust them.”

That's generous of you.

Increasingly, I'm thinking I'd rather trust a cannibal with my left leg, a carving knife and a bottle of ketchup.

Huph

22-12-2015

Originally Posted by tabithakitten:
“That's generous of you.

Increasingly, I'm thinking I'd rather trust a cannibal with my left leg, a carving knife and a bottle of ketchup.”

Brilliant, that really did make me laugh.

DeiseDays

22-12-2015

Originally Posted by AntoniaA:
“His opinion. I think Craig is a good and fair judge. The judges see things from a different perspective to ours, I trust them.”

Originally Posted by tabithakitten:
“That's generous of you.

Increasingly, I'm thinking I'd rather trust a cannibal with my left leg, a carving knife and a bottle of ketchup.”

Time to bump the Post of the Day thread again!

Callmepitstop

22-12-2015

All of this. Kudos

Callmepitstop

22-12-2015

Originally Posted by amelia_lee:
“Matthew is a world famous choreographer.

Your reasoning doesn't make it true either. How is it that Jay stormed the final just because he won? People were preparing to vote many times for him before he even danced, he could have fallen over and people were poised to vote multiple times anyway, at that point it is popularity, which he stormed, but people were determined to vote for him, no matter what he danced like.”

The same could be said of Matt Di Angelo, who forgot half of his routine in the semi-final and still went through to the final in series 5.

Tejas

22-12-2015

Originally Posted by tabithakitten:
“That's generous of you.

Increasingly, I'm thinking I'd rather trust a cannibal with my left leg, a carving knife and a bottle of ketchup.”

I think I love you... that's brilliant!

Sounds like something Blackadder would be proud of!

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