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Capaldi: "I want to do other things"
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claire2281
03-01-2016
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“ If there is a problem its that the modern audience are not used to an older man in the main role, there isn't the almost rock star fan worship that surrounded Tennant for instance. Its unfortunate that some maybe are looking to criticise him because he isn't Tennant, or more broadly, 20 years younger.”

You clearly have never come across PC's fangirls on the internet if you think that is the case!

Tbh I don't think it's anything to do with his age or him really. It's the writing having become stale.
Chris1964
03-01-2016
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“You clearly have never come across PC's fangirls on the internet if you think that is the case!

Tbh I don't think it's anything to do with his age or him really. It's the writing having become stale.”

I can honestly say I haven't.
Lord Smexy
03-01-2016
Originally Posted by donovan5:
“Yes Tennant one of the most popular Doctors of a ll time was clearly unsuited for the role ”

It's all a matter of taste. I just think the approach to his version of the character was poor show compared to some of his predeccessors and they seemed to forget what the character was about.
Lord Smexy
03-01-2016
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“You clearly have never come across PC's fangirls on the internet if you think that is the case!”

There are the people who "ship" Capaldi and Clara together, and have labelled it "Whouffaldi" or something like that. I got called miserable for thinking it's weird.
dave_windows
03-01-2016
Originally Posted by Sam_Gee1:
“For the casual viewer he is fine, for people who have more than a casual interest he isn't really The Doctor. He was basically a human, but that isn't Tennant's fault, just the writing because they gave him no alien stuff to do.”

The writers kinda ruined alot of Matt's stories.
Sam_Gee1
03-01-2016
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“The writers kinda ruined alot of Matt's stories.”

Oh they sure did, but Matt's character was more of a Doctor than Tennant. The quality of the stories is a whole different topic
dave_windows
04-01-2016
Originally Posted by Sam_Gee1:
“Oh they sure did, but Matt's character was more of a Doctor than Tennant. The quality of the stories is a whole different topic”

Deffinately! Matt's doctor had some anger in him and a dark side plus at times he resembled earlier doctors.

I dont think Tennant had one episode where he didnt cry.
Sam_Gee1
04-01-2016
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“Deffinately! Matt's doctor had some anger in him and a dark side plus at times he resembled earlier doctors.

I dont think Tennant had one episode where he didnt cry.”

I really felt Tennant could have been an exceptional Doctor if not 99% of stories were set on modern day Earth or include Rose. I mean you look at his best episodes, Waters of Mars, Midnight and the few other stories not set on modern day Earth he definitely felt like the Doctor.

Probably my biggest complaint with RTD
WelshNige
04-01-2016
Originally Posted by Sam_Gee1:
“For the casual viewer he is fine, for people who have more than a casual interest he isn't really The Doctor. He was basically a human, but that isn't Tennant's fault, just the writing because they gave him no alien stuff to do.”

Who are these "people" you speak of, friends, family, other forum members?????
Sam_Gee1
04-01-2016
Originally Posted by WelshNige:
“Who are these "people" you speak of, friends, family, other forum members?????”

Most of the Tennant fans i know, and read through the internet are all the same. Only watched new who, or simply stopped watching after he left, and defend everything he does with a swarm of fan girls/boys hate everything that isn't Tennant. That is casual interest

Yes there are outliers, but you'd be having a laugh if you don't think they are the majority of people who think Tennant are the best.

Edit: Or all of those people giving crap to Capaldi because he isn't young, and believe me there are a lot of them. Those are what i call casual viewers
WelshNige
04-01-2016
Originally Posted by Sam_Gee1:
“Most of the Tennant fans i know, and read through the internet are all the same. Only watched new who, or simply stopped watching after he left, and defend everything he does with a swarm of fan girls/boys hate everything that isn't Tennant. That is casual interest

Yes there are outliers, but you'd be having a laugh if you don't think they are the majority of people who think Tennant are the best.

Edit: Or all of those people giving crap to Capaldi because he isn't young, and believe me there are a lot of them. Those are what i call casual viewers”

That wasn't what I was asking you, you stated that "for people who have more than a casual interest he isn't really The Doctor", I want to know who these people are, are you talking about a wide ranging poll confirming your view, or is it just anecdotal evidence being used as fact?
Sam_Gee1
04-01-2016
Originally Posted by WelshNige:
“That wasn't what I was asking you, you stated that "for people who have more than a casual interest he isn't really The Doctor", I want to know who these people are, are you talking about a wide ranging poll confirming your view, or is it just anecdotal evidence being used as fact?”

The latter mate
WelshNige
04-01-2016
Originally Posted by Sam_Gee1:
“The latter mate”

Suspected as much but thanks for clarifying.
Lord Smexy
04-01-2016
Originally Posted by Sam_Gee1:
“I really felt Tennant could have been an exceptional Doctor if not 99% of stories were set on modern day Earth or include Rose. I mean you look at his best episodes, Waters of Mars, Midnight and the few other stories not set on modern day Earth he definitely felt like the Doctor.

Probably my biggest complaint with RTD”

The Waters of Mars had an amazing performance from him with the Time Lord victorious stuff, which set up a very promising premise for Tennant's swansong, but then The End of Time came and said "he got over that ages ago" and instead the Doctor spent the entire thing moping about having to regenerate, even though regeneration was always treated as something more exciting before.
Shawn_Lunn
04-01-2016
Tennant is the Doctor. Every actor who has played the Doctor is the Doctor so saying they're not because they don't appeal to you or suit how you think the Doctor should be is a tad childish to be honest.
Lord Smexy
04-01-2016
Originally Posted by Shawn_Lunn:
“Tennant is the Doctor. Every actor who has played the Doctor is the Doctor so saying they're not because they don't appeal to you or suit how you think the Doctor should be is a tad childish to be honest.”

There is nothing childish about having an opinion...
dave_windows
05-01-2016
Originally Posted by Sam_Gee1:
“I really felt Tennant could have been an exceptional Doctor if not 99% of stories were set on modern day Earth or include Rose. I mean you look at his best episodes, Waters of Mars, Midnight and the few other stories not set on modern day Earth he definitely felt like the Doctor.

Probably my biggest complaint with RTD”

When did we last have a alien planet? Everythings all earth and spacestations
Brandon_Smith
05-01-2016
We need to see a proper planet with a proper surface not a crashing space ship or observation deck, I wanna see more planets looking like Mars from The Wars of Mars not how they look now, I just love how vibrant the colours are in The Waters of Mars.
dave_windows
05-01-2016
Originally Posted by Brandon_Smith:
“We need to see a proper planet with a proper surface not a crashing space ship or observation deck, I wanna see more planets looking like Mars from The Wars of Mars not how they look now, I just love how vibrant the colours are in The Waters of Mars.”

I cant remember the last time we saw one. Probably Time & the Rani, I know Ecclestone never visited one.
Sam_Gee1
05-01-2016
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“I cant remember the last time we saw one. Probably Time & the Rani, I know Ecclestone never visited one.”

Ehmm, Rings of Ahkaten sort of
Lord Smexy
06-01-2016
Under Moffat's tenure we've visited Gallifrey, Skaro, Trenzalore, Karn, Alfava Matraxis, Akhaten (or a nearby asteroid, at least), Demon's Run, the Bubble Universe, Calisto B, the Bank of Karabraxos, the planet Sardicktown is on, the planet of the Androzani trees, the Dalek Asylum and Hedgewick's World of Wonders.

Not exactly on the level of some of Classic Who but I wouldn't say too bad either. Bear in mind space stations have always been somewhat overused in the show.
Sam_Gee1
06-01-2016
Originally Posted by Lord Smexy:
“Under Moffat's tenure we've visited Gallifrey, Skaro, Trenzalore, Karn, Alfava Matraxis, Akhaten (or a nearby asteroid, at least), Demon's Run, the Bubble Universe, Calisto B, the Bank of Karabraxos, the planet Sardicktown is on, the planet of the Androzani trees, the Dalek Asylum and Hedgewick's World of Wonders.

Not exactly on the level of some of Classic Who but I wouldn't say too bad either. Bear in mind space stations have always been somewhat overused in the show.”

Moffat definitely has used more planets, but some of them don't utilise the alien scenery enough. I mean Gallifrey was really a pit stop more than anything, Skaro was used but i mean those are places we have seen before, it isn't new. Karn was another 5 minute pit stop, Ahkaten was wonderful to see but it was in a very closed space and an asteroid, Demon's Run is a space station essentially, Karabraxos was a good story but it could have been set on Earth as we were in a bank for the episode.

We did go to a new universe, Dalek Asylum was essentially corridors under the planet. Moffat has definitely expanded the locations, but at the same time it is similar and contrived. But that is what happens when it is essentially a 40 minute episode, you don't have much time to set up a new planet as well so it is easier throwing them in a space station or indoors.
Lord Smexy
06-01-2016
Originally Posted by Sam_Gee1:
“Moffat definitely has used more planets, but some of them don't utilise the alien scenery enough. I mean Gallifrey was really a pit stop more than anything, Skaro was used but i mean those are places we have seen before, it isn't new. Karn was another 5 minute pit stop, Ahkaten was wonderful to see but it was in a very closed space and an asteroid, Demon's Run is a space station essentially, Karabraxos was a good story but it could have been set on Earth as we were in a bank for the episode.

We did go to a new universe, Dalek Asylum was essentially corridors under the planet. Moffat has definitely expanded the locations, but at the same time it is similar and contrived. But that is what happens when it is essentially a 40 minute episode, you don't have much time to set up a new planet as well so it is easier throwing them in a space station or indoors.”

I agree more time is essential for really getting to explore the concepts a new story brings, and for that I much prefer Classic Who's format, but unfortunately the majority of the modern audience don't seem to enjoy too many cliffhangers and multi-part stories.
POTD
06-01-2016
Originally Posted by Sam_Gee1:
“Moffat definitely has used more planets, but some of them don't utilise the alien scenery enough. I mean Gallifrey was really a pit stop more than anything, Skaro was used but i mean those are places we have seen before, it isn't new. Karn was another 5 minute pit stop, Ahkaten was wonderful to see but it was in a very closed space and an asteroid, Demon's Run is a space station essentially, Karabraxos was a good story but it could have been set on Earth as we were in a bank for the episode.

We did go to a new universe, Dalek Asylum was essentially corridors under the planet. Moffat has definitely expanded the locations, but at the same time it is similar and contrived. But that is what happens when it is essentially a 40 minute episode, you don't have much time to set up a new planet as well so it is easier throwing them in a space station or indoors.”

It's impossible to create exotic alien scenery. Hence lots of Classic series alien planets either look like a TV studio or a gravel pit.

Recently they've gone to the Canaries for the rocky scenery, hence the Moon, Skaro and Gallifrey look more "alien"
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