Was Janet dubbed or not?
EastEnders Dubbing Janet
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Originally Posted by Mormon Girl:
“Was Janet dubbed or not?”
“Was Janet dubbed or not?”
not. I just watched the cafe scene again. she had one line I don't feel it was dubbed
Maybe they are dubbing her with her own voice? Maybe she is able to communicate better when the cameras aren't on her so they audio record her speaking parts off-camera and then dub over her scenes?
Originally Posted by soap-lea:
“not. I just watched the cafe scene again. she had one line I don't feel it was dubbed”
“not. I just watched the cafe scene again. she had one line I don't feel it was dubbed”
She said Im not hungry and she said because of the wisemen. Her hair was in the way of her mouth as well.
Originally Posted by ThinkingLucky:
“Tonight's episode was pretty obvious. Every single speaking part was dubbed
No. I have seen the 'Anti Janet' thread and this is not it at all. I think she does a fantastic job - The actress clearly has communication difficulties but this does not mean she is awful, and this could easily be part of the Janet character.”
“Tonight's episode was pretty obvious. Every single speaking part was dubbed
No. I have seen the 'Anti Janet' thread and this is not it at all. I think she does a fantastic job - The actress clearly has communication difficulties but this does not mean she is awful, and this could easily be part of the Janet character.”
How can she be fantastic when she can't speak properly, and she has to be dubbed over? And it can't be part of Janet's character as she's not meant to be a ventriloquist!
I'm not certain she was dubbed. I didn't understand some of what she said. Sometimes I find her difficult to understand and don't know what she's said.
Originally Posted by Shappy:
“Maybe they are dubbing her with her own voice? Maybe she is able to communicate better when the cameras aren't on her so they audio record her speaking parts off-camera and then dub over her scenes?”
“Maybe they are dubbing her with her own voice? Maybe she is able to communicate better when the cameras aren't on her so they audio record her speaking parts off-camera and then dub over her scenes?”
If that's the case too make the actress who play's her feel more comfortable, then I see no problem with it, and respect the show for that decision. If it is however just a case of them dubbing over her deliberately and using someone else's voice that's wrong and not good, and if this was the case wouldn't the more reasonable solution be cast it to someone who yes had the same condition of Janet, but has better communication skills?
(Not intending to cause offence there on the last bit)
Originally Posted by Pink_Smurf:
“I'm not certain she was dubbed. I didn't understand some of what she said. Sometimes I find her difficult to understand and don't know what she's said.”
“I'm not certain she was dubbed. I didn't understand some of what she said. Sometimes I find her difficult to understand and don't know what she's said.”
its not the actresses fault some ds people have trouble with speech. I understand what she said.
Originally Posted by Zeus89:
“If that's the case too make the actress who play's her feel more comfortable, then I see no problem with it, and respect the show for that decision. If it is however just a case of them dubbing over her deliberately and using someone else's voice that's wrong and not good, and if this was the case wouldn't the more reasonable solution be cast it to someone who yes had the same condition of Janet, but has better communication skills?
(Not intending to cause offence there on the last bit)”
“If that's the case too make the actress who play's her feel more comfortable, then I see no problem with it, and respect the show for that decision. If it is however just a case of them dubbing over her deliberately and using someone else's voice that's wrong and not good, and if this was the case wouldn't the more reasonable solution be cast it to someone who yes had the same condition of Janet, but has better communication skills?
(Not intending to cause offence there on the last bit)”
if they recast with someone who has better communication because the actress has speech problems so they would recast with someone with speech problems still.
Originally Posted by Mormon Girl:
“if they recast with someone who has better communication because the actress has speech problems so they would recast with someone with speech problems still.”
“if they recast with someone who has better communication because the actress has speech problems so they would recast with someone with speech problems still.”
Well okay they could recast someone who has no problems with communication like the guy in corrie, there are no communication problems with him. If they really required too.
Originally Posted by Mormon Girl:
“its not the actresses fault some ds people have trouble with speech. I understand what she said.”
“its not the actresses fault some ds people have trouble with speech. I understand what she said.”
I do not "have trouble with speech". I don't find other people difficult to understand including other actors with Downs Syndrome. I just can't understand Janet most of the time.
Originally Posted by soap-lea:
“Janet didn't have any lines in the cafe. William was speaking”
“Janet didn't have any lines in the cafe. William was speaking”
No. There were two lines given to a child actress. The fact it seemed badly "dubbed" made one think it could have been William but it definitely wasn't. It was clearly a girls voice, a voice that seemed to be studio produced. But they didn't show Janet actually delivering the lines. One she was looking down and her long hair was partly in the way with only one lip movement producing a whole sentence, the other when the camera was on Billy. They definitely did something. Almost certainly dubbed. Was it her voice or someone else's voice - difficult to say.
Originally Posted by Clackers:
“I have said it before, and I will say it again. Janet is an awful actor.”
“I have said it before, and I will say it again. Janet is an awful actor.”
In what way is her "acting" a Downs syndrome child awful? She is being told what to do and she is doing it.
Originally Posted by MinaH:
“In what way is her "acting" a Downs syndrome child awful? She is being told what to do and she is doing it.”
“In what way is her "acting" a Downs syndrome child awful? She is being told what to do and she is doing it.”
Agreed, theres no way I would have been able to be on a TV set at that age and take direction, I was far too shy for all that
Of course it is her own voice if they are dubbing her. Anyone who has heard Janet speak on the programme before can vouch for that.
Originally Posted by MinaH:
“No. There were two lines given to a child actress. The fact it seemed badly "dubbed" made one think it could have been William but it definitely wasn't. It was clearly a girls voice, a voice that seemed to be studio produced. But they didn't show Janet actually delivering the lines. One she was looking down and her long hair was partly in the way with only one lip movement producing a whole sentence, the other when the camera was on Billy. They definitely did something. Almost certainly dubbed. Was it her voice or someone else's voice - difficult to say.”
“No. There were two lines given to a child actress. The fact it seemed badly "dubbed" made one think it could have been William but it definitely wasn't. It was clearly a girls voice, a voice that seemed to be studio produced. But they didn't show Janet actually delivering the lines. One she was looking down and her long hair was partly in the way with only one lip movement producing a whole sentence, the other when the camera was on Billy. They definitely did something. Almost certainly dubbed. Was it her voice or someone else's voice - difficult to say.”
If you read a bit further you would see I said I got confused and I watched that scene again.
maybe peoples issues are because she wasn't looking at the camera and you couldn't see her face properly doesn't mean she was dubbed just bad camera angles
Originally Posted by leopard_print:
“All i have to say is that I am disgusted and ashamed of some comments on here”
“All i have to say is that I am disgusted and ashamed of some comments on here”
You and me both, such ignorant people one here.
Originally Posted by SteveOwen:
“I just watched the Janet scenes back and the OP is right, they are definitely dubbing her.
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“I just watched the Janet scenes back and the OP is right, they are definitely dubbing her.
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If the dialogue isn't being understood then they have to make sure it is. Why is it horrible?
Why do you have to study her so closely?
Ok Janet has Downs, and the may dub her voice so all of us hear her lines.
So what, it doesn't detract from the scene..
People are looking for something to complain about.
Ok Janet has Downs, and the may dub her voice so all of us hear her lines.
So what, it doesn't detract from the scene..
People are looking for something to complain about.
It's a difficult situation. What can they do? Recast her?
This is her first attempt at a significant speaking part. They'd get lynched for dropping her in favour of a more confident speaker.
This is her first attempt at a significant speaking part. They'd get lynched for dropping her in favour of a more confident speaker.
I'm sure Grace (Janet) isn't the only Actor/Actress who does ADR on the show. I'm sure I've noticed Carol and Shirley's lines re-done by Lindsay and Linda. Plus if the equipment hasn't picked up the conversations clearly enough Grace may find it easier to do ADR than keep re-shooting the scene (especially with time restrictions on children).
Originally Posted by leopard_print:
“All i have to say is that I am disgusted and ashamed of some comments on here”
“All i have to say is that I am disgusted and ashamed of some comments on here”
Agreed.
Originally Posted by ArthurJBear:
“I'm sure Grace (Janet) isn't the only Actor/Actress who does ADR on the show. I'm sure I've noticed Carol and Shirley's lines re-done by Lindsay and Linda. Plus if the equipment hasn't picked up the conversations clearly enough Grace may find it easier to do ADR than keep re-shooting the scene (especially with time restrictions on children).”
“I'm sure Grace (Janet) isn't the only Actor/Actress who does ADR on the show. I'm sure I've noticed Carol and Shirley's lines re-done by Lindsay and Linda. Plus if the equipment hasn't picked up the conversations clearly enough Grace may find it easier to do ADR than keep re-shooting the scene (especially with time restrictions on children).”
I've not noticed any dubbing for Janet but your right there's been an increased amount of dubbing in EE and more often than not its badly done with disembodied voices suddenly cutting in. I expect for Janet it's just convenient for filming especially in larger scenes.
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