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EastEnders - the gangster rubbish is killing the show
This storyline with the Hubbards and Mitchells is embarrassingly bad. Seriously, it's becoming unwatchable.
Ronnie and Vincent need to go. |
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They used to do it quite well, with Andy Hunter and Johnny Allen, Jack Dalton etc. This is just a joke. Total amateur hour.
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No, Phil always winning and Phil in general is killing the show. Ronnie as well to a lesser extent. She doesn't work as a badass and has now defeated Vincent with a character a lot of people didn't really like that much in the first place (Jack)
A lack of any character being built up at the expense of the Mitchells staying on top is killing the show. The gangster stuff is good when done right. |
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Eastenders is too much right now. They need to dial it down a bit, it's closing in on Hollyoaks level's of ridiculousness.
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No, Phil always winning and Phil in general is killing the show. Ronnie as well to a lesser extent. She doesn't work as a badass and has now defeated Vincent with a character a lot of people didn't really like that much in the first place (Jack)
A lack of any character being built up at the expense of the Mitchells staying on top is killing the show. The gangster stuff is good when done right. |
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I don't mind it but this particular story is confusing me! This is what I have gathered so far:
Vincent and Claudette hate the Mitchells because Phils dad killed Vincent's. Phil told the Vincent the other day that his dad is alive and ran away. What I dont understand is why didn't Vincent confront Claudette about it? And why was Claudette so angry that he is a grass- I thought she was part of the plan? Plus, Ronnie and Vincent's relationship is VERY confusing, one minute they are sleeping with each other, then they are threatening each other. Currently, Ronnie is worling with someone to kill Vincent? |
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What makes it worse is that it's based on some supposed decades long feud which they plucked out of thin air and it's being fronted by one of the weakest "actors" the show has ever had.
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Phil's not winning tho? Ronnie is!
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We know Phil would win in the end. Ronnie is even less convincing as a gangster/badass than Phil. She has had her fair share of victories in recent times as well. The character is not quite on Phil levels of absurdity, but the way things are going it's only a matter of time.
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I find her far more believable as she comes across as a psychopath who would do anything..Phil on the other hand isn't emotionally dead and has a conscience
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What makes it worse is that it's based on some supposed decades long feud which they plucked out of thin air and it's being fronted by one of the weakest "actors" the show has ever had.
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We know Phil would win in the end. Ronnie is even less convincing as a gangster/badass than Phil. She has had her fair share of victories in recent times as well. The character is not quite on Phil levels of absurdity, but the way things are going it's only a matter of time.
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This is the East End, if you don't like it watch something else.
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You have to be more than a psycho without a concience to be convincing. To me Ronnie just doesn't come across as convincing and there have been far more believable gangsters in the past than Ronnie.
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They used to do it quite well, with Andy Hunter and Johnny Allen, Jack Dalton etc. This is just a joke. Total amateur hour.
Everything to do with the Hubbards is utterly pathetic. Worst storyline since the Ferreiras kidney caper. Ronnie's been totally ruined as well. |
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This is the end. The east end.
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Richard blackwood did an interview the other day and he says this is th nd of Phil being top dog and vincent is his replacement. that the storyline is phils coming of age and that the younger guys will now win
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Eastenders is too much right now. They need to dial it down a bit, it's closing in on Hollyoaks level's of ridiculousness.
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No, Phil always winning and Phil in general is killing the show. Ronnie as well to a lesser extent. She doesn't work as a badass and has now defeated Vincent with a character a lot of people didn't really like that much in the first place (Jack)
A lack of any character being built up at the expense of the Mitchells staying on top is killing the show. The gangster stuff is good when done right.
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They needed a better actor for the part of Vincent, Richard Blackwood is crap as that character, maybe they should have reversed the roles of Vincent and Fatboy?
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They needed a better actor for the part of Vincent, Richard Blackwood is crap as that character, maybe they should have reversed the roles of Vincent and Fatboy?
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While they keep kidding themselves that Phil is some sort of hard man they'll keep bringing in adversaries to try and bring him down on a yearly basis....Derek, Carl and Vincent being the latest. And I suppose we have to include the man with the Zippo, Gavin. Vincent could have been a good character but for two things...pairing him up with the most annoying and shallow woman on the square, and giving him a lame reason to go after Phil that required history to be rewritten. Phil is a joke, Kim is a joke and Vincent has become a joke by being henpecked by one and bested by the other.
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This is the East End, if you don't like it watch something else.
Why should people tune off and disregard the stuff they are enjoying because there's other stuff they're not massively keen on? Are long-term, dedicated fans not entitled to offer their opinions (positive, neutral, or negative) on a discussion board designated for that very purpose? |
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I think the OP's complaint is regarding how ludicrous and fatuous this pseudo-thug storyline has been, not necessarily the mere depiction of East End gangsters per se.
Why should people tune off and disregard the stuff they are enjoying because there's other stuff they're not massively keen on? Are long-term, dedicated fans not entitled to offer their opinions (positive, neutral, or negative) on a discussion board designated for that very purpose? We've had a succession of bumbling villains and pretend 'hardmen' that seem to get worse every year: First Derek, then Carl, now Vincent. Phil has also become a ridiculous panto villain. The petty feuding and the amount of people walking around in BROAD DAYLIGHT with guns in their hands is laughable. Sharon fired an actual gun in her own house the other day. What the hell??? EastEnders is fast turning into Hollyoaks.
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That's precisely the point I'm making. EastEnders has portrayed gangsters very effectively in the past; we had the Firm in the 80s, and in the 90s Mitchell brothers came up against some very dangerous characters. Johnny Allen was also particularly menacing and nasty. Since 2006 the show has struggled to get it right, and we've now reached a point where their attempts at creating gangster plots are embarrassing to watch.
We've had a succession of bumbling villains and pretend 'hardmen' that seem to get worse every year: First Derek, then Carl, now Vincent. Phil has also become a ridiculous panto villain. The petty feuding and the amount of people walking around in BROAD DAYLIGHT with guns in their hands is laughable. Sharon fired an actual gun in her own house the other day. What the hell??? EastEnders is fast turning into Hollyoaks.The gangster era may have been heavily criticised by the Daily Fail but since 2006 we've had all manner of cardboard cutout, pantomime villains (Lucas, Janine 2.0, Derek, Vincent). The closest character who came closet to recapturing former successes in this regard (aside from Janine in her final months) was probably Archie, and we all know what become of him and the story that ruined the show long-term (as well as Stacey), from which it has yet to recover. And I can't abide the Mitchell sisters, nor could I Peggy post-2005, so it's not like I was particularly interested in his family clan. |
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EastEnders is fast turning into Hollyoaks.