Seriously who wants to watch Mitchells and Beales on Christmas day? Folks want feel good not two morally bankrupt families having yet another fallout. It'll pick up on catch up but not must see tv live.
Christmas Day Viewing Figures
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Shocking numbers. But I think that the final numbers will be much higher for EastEnders. Bad that the clashes over the year worked for ITV and their soaps.
FFS. EE is getting slated far too much - Emmerdale only had 4.27m on standard viewing!
EE had the toughest competition of the day - the most watched, final ever episode of a huge transatlantic period drama and still was the most watched soap on first showings.
Yes, its the lowest ever Christmas day rating. BUT LOOK AROUND YOU. It wasn't that long ago Corrie was throwing out 18m on Christmas day also, but THOSE DAYS ARE OVER. GONE. FINETO.
It doesn't mean AXE IT AXE IT AXE IT. It means peoples viewing habits have changed, but still 6.4m watched (inc BBC3) then add all those with Sky+, YouView, iPlayer etc. It was also the most watched show on Christmas Eve.
CALM YOUR TITS!
EE had the toughest competition of the day - the most watched, final ever episode of a huge transatlantic period drama and still was the most watched soap on first showings.
Yes, its the lowest ever Christmas day rating. BUT LOOK AROUND YOU. It wasn't that long ago Corrie was throwing out 18m on Christmas day also, but THOSE DAYS ARE OVER. GONE. FINETO.
It doesn't mean AXE IT AXE IT AXE IT. It means peoples viewing habits have changed, but still 6.4m watched (inc BBC3) then add all those with Sky+, YouView, iPlayer etc. It was also the most watched show on Christmas Eve.
CALM YOUR TITS!
I didn't watch any of the soaps 'live' but I have watched them all, we watched EastEnders at 11 on BBC Three after Downton,
we were out for the afternoon and returned just after Corrie had started so we watched Emmerdale , we had recorded it.
I watched corrie this morning on demand.
I enjoyed all three and I don't think live viewing figures matter anymore.
we were out for the afternoon and returned just after Corrie had started so we watched Emmerdale , we had recorded it.
I watched corrie this morning on demand.
I enjoyed all three and I don't think live viewing figures matter anymore.
If you look at the numbers overall, all across the board they are down.
The soaps averaging in the 4-6million bracket, shows how the tv landscape has changed dramatically.
When you look at the live figures, I reckon for EastEnders and Corrie, a million or so more needs to be put on for "on demand".
In the battle of the soaps, EastEnders still came out on top on Christmas Day, despite having the toughest competition, in the form of the last ever Downton. In recent years EastEnders has topped Downton.
If people are calling for EastEnders to be axed, then in that case Emmerdale needs to be axed when it was a million or so behind EastEnders.
The soaps averaging in the 4-6million bracket, shows how the tv landscape has changed dramatically.
When you look at the live figures, I reckon for EastEnders and Corrie, a million or so more needs to be put on for "on demand".
In the battle of the soaps, EastEnders still came out on top on Christmas Day, despite having the toughest competition, in the form of the last ever Downton. In recent years EastEnders has topped Downton.
If people are calling for EastEnders to be axed, then in that case Emmerdale needs to be axed when it was a million or so behind EastEnders.
Originally Posted by robjames69:
“FFS. EE is getting slated far too much - Emmerdale only had 4.27m on standard viewing!
EE had the toughest competition of the day - the most watched, final ever episode of a huge transatlantic period drama and still was the most watched soap on first showings.
Yes, its the lowest ever Christmas day rating. BUT LOOK AROUND YOU. It wasn't that long ago Corrie was throwing out 18m on Christmas day also, but THOSE DAYS ARE OVER. GONE. FINETO.
It doesn't mean AXE IT AXE IT AXE IT. It means peoples viewing habits have changed, but still 6.4m watched (inc BBC3) then add all those with Sky+, YouView, iPlayer etc. It was also the most watched show on Christmas Eve.
CALM YOUR TITS!”
“FFS. EE is getting slated far too much - Emmerdale only had 4.27m on standard viewing!
EE had the toughest competition of the day - the most watched, final ever episode of a huge transatlantic period drama and still was the most watched soap on first showings.
Yes, its the lowest ever Christmas day rating. BUT LOOK AROUND YOU. It wasn't that long ago Corrie was throwing out 18m on Christmas day also, but THOSE DAYS ARE OVER. GONE. FINETO.
It doesn't mean AXE IT AXE IT AXE IT. It means peoples viewing habits have changed, but still 6.4m watched (inc BBC3) then add all those with Sky+, YouView, iPlayer etc. It was also the most watched show on Christmas Eve.
CALM YOUR TITS!”
I don't think anyone is arguing for the axe; I certainly am not. But even taking into account Downton Abbey / iPlayer / catchup and BBC Three figures (NB. BBC Three goes online in 2016 so say goodbye to EastEnders repeats on Three), I do think questions need to be asked of the programme and its direction this year. I don't like the fact that the Lucy / Bobby saga is being dragged on interminably, dragging down characterisation and plausibility, for example.
They are killing off the "golden goose" (especially ITV with CS)
They need to drastically cut the episode numbers and bring back the quality.
Doesn't take a genius to work out what's going wrong...
As far as Eastenders, I think it's reputation for "grim" storylines clearly harms it at Christmas. A lot of people just don't want to see murder and rape storylines while enjoying their Christmas Dinner...
They need to drastically cut the episode numbers and bring back the quality.
Doesn't take a genius to work out what's going wrong...
As far as Eastenders, I think it's reputation for "grim" storylines clearly harms it at Christmas. A lot of people just don't want to see murder and rape storylines while enjoying their Christmas Dinner...
Originally Posted by bwfcol:
“BBC 3 got over 500k for EE at 11pm. Strong rating and does help the figures overall”
“BBC 3 got over 500k for EE at 11pm. Strong rating and does help the figures overall”
Yet no one adds this on to the EE figures, whereas ITV+1 is always added on to Corrie. I've never understood that lol.
Does this come as a surprise to anybody? Enders has been terrible the entire year (even the live week was overate nonsense) - and last night's was particularly uneventful.
The show needs a whole new team.
The show needs a whole new team.
Originally Posted by Devil_Prays:
“Well these aren't the finals though are they? in two weeks when all the consolidated ratings come in all the shows will probably have added up to a million more. Overnights are pretty meaningless now. People who are busy no longer watch live TV.
And to be fair, there is hardly anything in it. Corrie is infact only a head because plus 1 is added.”
“Well these aren't the finals though are they? in two weeks when all the consolidated ratings come in all the shows will probably have added up to a million more. Overnights are pretty meaningless now. People who are busy no longer watch live TV.
And to be fair, there is hardly anything in it. Corrie is infact only a head because plus 1 is added.”
How are overnights meaningless when even by your description they account for the vast bulk of a shows ratings?
Maybe a better phrase is the overnights are not as important as they used to be but to describe them as pretty meaningless is hyperbole.
Inevitable really. I watched all 3 this year at Christmas but I would have been perfectly happy watching something on Netflix instead.
But I don't think the BBC and ITV should start wielding the axe just yet, give it a few more years, if Hollyoaks is still going at less than a million then I don't think it's completely dire just yet.
But I don't think the BBC and ITV should start wielding the axe just yet, give it a few more years, if Hollyoaks is still going at less than a million then I don't think it's completely dire just yet.
Amazingly poor. But, so are the ratings for all soaps yesterday, it's not just the soaps. Viewing habits really have changed forever.
Originally Posted by D. Morgan:
“Does this come as a surprise to anybody? Enders has been terrible the entire year (even the live week was overate nonsense) - and last night's was particularly uneventful.
The show needs a whole new team.”
“Does this come as a surprise to anybody? Enders has been terrible the entire year (even the live week was overate nonsense) - and last night's was particularly uneventful.
The show needs a whole new team.”
Fair enough if you didn't like it, but uneventful is the wrong word to use imo. It was certainly eventful to say the least.
Originally Posted by Hildaonpluto:
“How are overnights meaningless when even by your description they account for the vast bulk of a shows ratings?
Maybe a better phrase is the overnights are not as important as they used to be but to describe them as pretty meaningless is hyperbole.”
“How are overnights meaningless when even by your description they account for the vast bulk of a shows ratings?
Maybe a better phrase is the overnights are not as important as they used to be but to describe them as pretty meaningless is hyperbole.”
Overnights are an instant reflection before the consolidated come in. They are now meaningless in the sense they no longer reflect an accurate picture and the reason for this is because due to catch up many shows are now adding up to two million onto the over night figure. So you are no longer getting a true picture of what came out on top via the overnights, we now have to wait until all the data comes in.
There is nothing hyperbowl about what I wrote, for example the huge success of Doctor Foster was through its catch up ratings.
To further prove my point. EE is top of Iplayer so must be on excess of 800k views there, BBC Three saw a figure of 500k so that is already over an extra million on top of what it got on BBC One. Maybe you don't grasp the world of TV On Demand. Times have changed.
Didn't watch till midnight when I got home was with family all day however I do agree the plots are absolutely ridiculous now
Originally Posted by lou_123:
“Fair enough if you didn't like it, but uneventful is the wrong word to use imo. It was certainly eventful to say the least.”
“Fair enough if you didn't like it, but uneventful is the wrong word to use imo. It was certainly eventful to say the least.”
Really?
A pointless car crash which led to...nothing (we all know Dennis won't die).
Bobby finding out he killed Lucy (after two years...)
And some weird story where somebody has been trapped in a car boot all day.
It's fair to say this Christmas won't be spoken about in years to come.
EE was against Downton's final episode and still managed to come out on top of all the other soaps, pretty good going if you ask me.....
Originally Posted by Devil_Prays:
“Overnights are an instant reflection before the consolidated come in. They are now meaningless in the sense they no longer reflect an accurate picture and the reason for this is because due to catch up many shows are now adding up to two million onto the over night figure.
There is nothing hyperbowl about what I wrote, for example the huge success of Doctor Foster was through its catch up ratings.”
“Overnights are an instant reflection before the consolidated come in. They are now meaningless in the sense they no longer reflect an accurate picture and the reason for this is because due to catch up many shows are now adding up to two million onto the over night figure.
There is nothing hyperbowl about what I wrote, for example the huge success of Doctor Foster was through its catch up ratings.”
I still think meaningless is the wrong word and I stand by my point.
It's definitely the wrong word for Christmas overnights because Christmas day ratings are traditionally viewed differently and are supposed to be event tv -must see on the day rather than catch up with on other methods in the fortnight afterwards.
Part of the reason why the BBC (whom I'm a big fan and supporter of) tries so hard to pull in first seating viewers ON THE DAY is politically so that at crucial times when their negotiating with the government eg licence fee, charter renewal etc they can flag up in their defence "hey look at special times of year the nation turns to the BBC on THE DAY!
As for the commercial channels first viewings on first broadcast are what financially come as the most valuable to them so they should aim to maximise first sitting viewings for their own commercial wellbeing and not just settle on catch up to top up their figures, Everyone in commercial tv understands that.
Overnights are therefore not meaningless and especially not at Christmas.
Proud that eastenders was the top rated soap!! And cannot wait until the consolidated figures are released! Was really a great day for eastenders fans
Originally Posted by Devil_Prays:
“Overnights are an instant reflection before the consolidated come in. They are now meaningless in the sense they no longer reflect an accurate picture and the reason for this is because due to catch up many shows are now adding up to two million onto the over night figure. So you are no longer getting a true picture of what came out on top via the overnights, we now have to wait until all the data comes in.
There is nothing hyperbowl about what I wrote, for example the huge success of Doctor Foster was through its catch up ratings.
To further prove my point. EE is top of Iplayer so must be on excess of 800k views there, BBC Three saw a figure of 500k so that is already over an extra million on top of what it got on BBC One. Maybe you don't grasp the world of TV On Demand. Times have changed.”
“Overnights are an instant reflection before the consolidated come in. They are now meaningless in the sense they no longer reflect an accurate picture and the reason for this is because due to catch up many shows are now adding up to two million onto the over night figure. So you are no longer getting a true picture of what came out on top via the overnights, we now have to wait until all the data comes in.
There is nothing hyperbowl about what I wrote, for example the huge success of Doctor Foster was through its catch up ratings.
To further prove my point. EE is top of Iplayer so must be on excess of 800k views there, BBC Three saw a figure of 500k so that is already over an extra million on top of what it got on BBC One. Maybe you don't grasp the world of TV On Demand. Times have changed.”
Your latter comments, sorry I haven't got the hang off doing bit in bold, are extremely and unnecessarily patronising. I fully grasp the meaning of on demand thank you.
Why do you feel it necessary to be so rude and patronising towards someone who has a different opinion to you? Totally uncalled for and seems rather tribally motivated too.
Originally Posted by deco96:
“EE was against Downton's final episode and still managed to come out on top of all the other soaps, pretty good going if you ask me.....”
“EE was against Downton's final episode and still managed to come out on top of all the other soaps, pretty good going if you ask me.....”
Unfortunately not if you include itv+1 figures.
Originally Posted by Jay Lee:
“Unfortunately not if you include itv+1 figures.”
“Unfortunately not if you include itv+1 figures.”
What if you include BBC Three ratings/ i-Player?
Originally Posted by Hildaonpluto:
“Your latter comments, sorry I haven't got the hang off doing bit in bold, are extremely and unnecessarily patronising. I fully grasp the meaning of on demand thank you.
Why do you feel it necessary to be so rude and patronising towards someone who has a different opinion to you? Totally uncalled for and seems rather tribally motivated too.”
“Your latter comments, sorry I haven't got the hang off doing bit in bold, are extremely and unnecessarily patronising. I fully grasp the meaning of on demand thank you.
Why do you feel it necessary to be so rude and patronising towards someone who has a different opinion to you? Totally uncalled for and seems rather tribally motivated too.”
I'm confused at this post. You attacked me calling my post hyperbowl. I responded with several examples to aid my view rather appropriately I think and I wasn't patronizing or tribal? in the slightest.
if you want a row you aren't going to get one from me...
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