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Old 29-05-2016, 13:34
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No unfortunately as it's live is it 6 weeks we have of the Euro football? It's not going to really affect Emeredale ITV could easily put it on after news at 10 but they won't, even though it's still watched by millions of people! IMHO the football should be on line only but it's aint going to happen. Not a great deal any one can do but put up with it.
Both ITV and BBC have an alternative of putting football on a lesser channel. Do you think they (particularly ITV with the advertising revenue) would ever consider it?

There are arguments pro and con subscription TV (and not to be debated on an SOR thread) but at least their channels are dedicated to sport.
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Old 29-05-2016, 14:48
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I think police would definitely be able to ascertain that Callum was murdered inside the house which would immediately point the finger of suspicion at the Platts, not Tony or Jason.

Another angle the police would go for would be mobile phone records to see who was ringing who at the time and also use GPS tracking to find out exactly where each person's phone was on the night of the murder.
You can't track a phone with GPS as a phone only receives GPS information. It can't transmit.
You can "roughly" determin where in a cell a phone is. Unless the phone is actually used to make or receive a call or text, I doubt whether that info is retained.
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Old 29-05-2016, 15:13
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I think police would definitely be able to ascertain that Callum was murdered inside the house which would immediately point the finger of suspicion at the Platts, not Tony or Jason.

Another angle the police would go for would be mobile phone records to see who was ringing who at the time and also use GPS tracking to find out exactly where each person's phone was on the night of the murder.
I think you need to take a couple of time factors into account.

Firstly, how long is it since the killing? I doubt whether lividity (I think is the word) could be used to establish whether the body was moved after death.

Also, I doubt whether it would be now possible to establish even the day of death precisely, let alone a time.
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Old 29-05-2016, 15:37
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I think you need to take a couple of time factors into account.

Firstly, how long is it since the killing? I doubt whether lividity (I think is the word) could be used to establish whether the body was moved after death.

Also, I doubt whether it would be now possible to establish even the day of death precisely, let alone a time.
Mobile phone evidence would be as good a factor as any here. Assuming they know Callum's number and he was a regular phone user they can spot when the phone calls and texts stopped.

In real life, it would be extremely difficult for the Platts to escape the rap for the killing / murder. Three of them are in on it together whereas there is only limited circumstantial evidence to connect Tony and Jason, definitely nothing in the way of forensics or hard evidence.
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Old 29-05-2016, 16:02
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Oh, I have just read a spoiler. I now know who the police charge, and where the accused did the murder and how. Oh dear ! Dare you open up the spoiler and maybe ruin the surprise for you?

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Old 29-05-2016, 17:05
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Mobile phone evidence would be as good a factor as any here. Assuming they know Callum's number and he was a regular phone user they can spot when the phone calls and texts stopped.

In real life, it would be extremely difficult for the Platts to escape the rap for the killing / murder. Three of them are in on it together whereas there is only limited circumstantial evidence to connect Tony and Jason, definitely nothing in the way of forensics or hard evidence.
There's the text from Kylie's phone telling Callum to come to the house too (that Sarah actually sent). The evidence points towards the Platts without doubt.
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Old 29-05-2016, 17:16
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no way! Harry is suspect number one
That's why he keeps crying. It's the guilt.
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Old 29-05-2016, 17:22
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The layout of the house is that the living room goes from the front of the house to the back with the garage next to it and the kitchen behind it as an arm of the living room. There was a door leading from the kitchen into the back of the garage and is now the dorr leading from the kitchen into the annexe. The garage door was replaced with a brick wall with windows. The view we usually see from inside the annexe is towards the door leading into the kitchen.

The truck went through the new brick wall (which was the garage door) and into the annexe - it didn't reach the kitchen behind it. The floor collapsed because there are old drainage pipes and cavities under it which weren't filled in when the old factory was demolished and the new factory built with new drainage. Gail decided not to have the old drains excavated and filled in.

The garage floor would easily take a car, but not the weight of a tow truck wheel on top of the manhole cover. There are various grades of manhole cover depending on what's like to pass over it. The one in our garden is quite flimsy, but the one on the drive is much heavier.
Thanks for explaining.
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Old 29-05-2016, 17:24
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Wonder where it is though? Some pubs have a big footprint so could easily have a four bedroomed flat upstairs (you could imagine that at the Queen Vic for instance)

But the Rovers is barely bigger than one of the houses on the street downstairs, so where would all those bedrooms fit? Especially as back in the day they showed the upstairs living room (when Steve and Becky were considering adopting) and that was a fair size.
That never before mentioned upstairs living room appeared out of the blue for a brief period a few years back,but hasn't been seen or referred to since then.
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Old 29-05-2016, 17:27
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This is the mindlessness of producing so many shows per week a quarter of the cast are always off at any given time on rest periods with people just disappearing from certain scenes that they should be involved in.
A major incident on the street and where's Norris, Steve, Kevin, Sally, Liz, Leanne, Dev, Eileen, Jason, Maria, Mary, Eva, Tim and the Nazir's?, all on rota days off.

If I've got some names wrong my defence is being bored to my t!ts with my mind on other things with eyes glazed while I was watching it. [suffering it more like]
I think it may have more to do with the fact that there is usually a minimum of three filming units working on the programme at any one point- so many of the missing neighbours were busy working on other weeks episodes when those eps were being recorded.
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Old 29-05-2016, 17:38
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There's the text from Kylie's phone telling Callum to come to the house too (that Sarah actually sent). The evidence points towards the Platts without doubt.
How can they read the text without the phone
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Old 29-05-2016, 17:41
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Mobile phone evidence would be as good a factor as any here. Assuming they know Callum's number and he was a regular phone user they can spot when the phone calls and texts stopped.

In real life, it would be extremely difficult for the Platts to escape the rap for the killing / murder. Three of them are in on it together whereas there is only limited circumstantial evidence to connect Tony and Jason, definitely nothing in the way of forensics or hard evidence.

Didn't David keep the phone for a while and text people to throw them off make them think he was still alive? Or did I imagine it?

Also, re the phone records - would it make any difference if he was on pay as you go? Don't most drug dealers have several disposable phones so that they can't be traced to them? Or is that me being ignorant?😶
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Old 29-05-2016, 17:48
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How can they read the text without the phone
Texts remain on the phone providers servers for years.
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Old 29-05-2016, 18:09
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[quote=BlondeGremlin;82562628]Didn't David keep the phone for a while and text people to throw them off make them think he was still alive? Or did I imagine it?

Also, re the phone records - would it make any difference if he was on pay as you go? Don't most drug dealers have several disposable phones so that they can't be traced to them? Or is that me being ignorant?😶[/QUOTE]

No you're right. They're called burner phones.
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Old 29-05-2016, 18:19
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Didn't David keep the phone for a while and text people to throw them off make them think he was still alive? Or did I imagine it?

Also, re the phone records - would it make any difference if he was on pay as you go? Don't most drug dealers have several disposable phones so that they can't be traced to them? Or is that me being ignorant?😶
Detectives will be able to deduce that the killer or killers sent the later texts. They have a fairly good idea of when he must have died (ie. he vanished off the face of the earth on a particular date and there were no more sightings)
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Old 29-05-2016, 18:32
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I think police would definitely be able to ascertain that Callum was murdered inside the house which would immediately point the finger of suspicion at the Platts, not Tony or Jason.

Another angle the police would go for would be mobile phone records to see who was ringing who at the time and also use GPS tracking to find out exactly where each person's phone was on the night of the murder.
Not that simple. Jason and co were working inside the house. They cu;d have murdered him when none of the Platts were home. They had access to the whole house, not on;y the garage.

Callum beat up Jason, hospitalising him, and Tony beat up Callum for doing that. The whole street knew about it. Callum trying to get custody of Max was known by many, but harrassing the Platts for money and threatening them was only known by those immediately involved.

David took Callum's phone and sent a text message from it sayng he was leaving the Platt's house. Can't remember if he sent another from it at a later date before throwing it in the canal.

So Jason or Tony are legitimate suspects as well as the Platts for the murder occurring inside the house.

The timing wouldn't be certain either because Denton and his mates were after Callum for the money he owed, so he could well have gone on the run and no-ne would have seen him.
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Old 29-05-2016, 18:58
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Not that simple. Jason and co were working inside the house. They cu;d have murdered him when none of the Platts were home. They had access to the whole house, not on;y the garage.

Callum beat up Jason, hospitalising him, and Tony beat up Callum for doing that. The whole street knew about it. Callum trying to get custody of Max was known by many, but harrassing the Platts for money and threatening them was only known by those immediately involved.

David took Callum's phone and sent a text message from it sayng he was leaving the Platt's house. Can't remember if he sent another from it at a later date before throwing it in the canal.

So Jason or Tony are legitimate suspects as well as the Platts for the murder occurring inside the house.

The timing wouldn't be certain either because Denton and his mates were after Callum for the money he owed, so he could well have gone on the run and no-ne would have seen him.
Jason and Tony would certainly be suspects because of motive and circumstantial evidence, particularly the fact that they were working in the Platt home and cemented over the annex.

On the other hand, there will be nothing forensic to connect them to the body nor would anything related to mobile phone evidence be able to implicate them.

What makes it virtually impossible for the Platts to escape the rap is that too many of them are involved. Three people know what happened to Callum and how his body was disposed of versus Jason knowing nothing about any of it.
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Old 29-05-2016, 19:02
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They're still legitimate suspects. But being suspects doesn't mean that they'll be charged. This is only the beginning of the investigation.
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Old 29-05-2016, 20:53
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Mobile phone evidence would be as good a factor as any here. Assuming they know Callum's number and he was a regular phone user they can spot when the phone calls and texts stopped.

In real life, it would be extremely difficult for the Platts to escape the rap for the killing / murder. Three of them are in on it together whereas there is only limited circumstantial evidence to connect Tony and Jason, definitely nothing in the way of forensics or hard evidence.
It would and presuming Callum (is a known drug dealer to the police) may have been and has been questioned by the police they will have a or more numbers for him there is no way I will be watching the spoiler as I want to find out for my self then watch the spoiler after the police have finished with thier enquires I reckon it will be dragged out over many episode just to keep us watching
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Old 29-05-2016, 20:59
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[quote=Ondine;82562867]
Didn't David keep the phone for a while and text people to throw them off make them think he was still alive? Or did I imagine it?

Also, re the phone records - would it make any difference if he was on pay as you go? Don't most drug dealers have several disposable phones so that they can't be traced to them? Or is that me being ignorant?😶[/QUOTE]

No you're right. They're called burner phones.
Yes he did and then chucked it in the canal with his finger prints on it don't remember him wearing gloves though!! As for PAYGO phones I would have thought the data for those phones would also be stored on the network servers hard to trace mind you, but still possible And technoligy is moving very fast so who knows wether burner phones
can be traced or not!!!?
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Old 29-05-2016, 21:07
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Jason and Tony would certainly be suspects because of motive and circumstantial evidence, particularly the fact that they were working in the Platt home and cemented over the annex.

On the other hand, there will be nothing forensic to connect them to the body nor would anything related to mobile phone evidence be able to implicate them.

What makes it virtually impossible for the Platts to escape the rap is that too many of them are involved. Three people know what happened to Callum and how his body was disposed of versus Jason knowing nothing about any of it.
Thats correct and Callum was put in a old drain (manhole where the annex is now) that was there when the old factory was in use
that's probably why it collapsed when Tyron crashed in to the platts house even though the manhole area was cemented in?
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Old 29-05-2016, 21:16
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Jason and Tony would certainly be suspects because of motive and circumstantial evidence, particularly the fact that they were working in the Platt home and cemented over the annex.

On the other hand, there will be nothing forensic to connect them to the body nor would anything related to mobile phone evidence be able to implicate them.

What makes it virtually impossible for the Platts to escape the rap is that too many of them are involved. Three people know what happened to Callum and how his body was disposed of versus Jason knowing nothing about any of it.
Especialy as Jason was badly beat up by Callum and his hench men so a possible suspect jason could become. If the police find the burnt out car then other things will come in to play!! Many people will be questioned about this murder IMHO
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Old 29-05-2016, 21:25
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They're still legitimate suspects. But being suspects doesn't mean that they'll be charged. This is only the beginning of the investigation.
Absolutley!! I wonder who will be questioned first? Jason the bulider prehaps or David Platt as he previous form?!!
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Old 29-05-2016, 21:51
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Yes he did and then chucked it in the canal with his finger prints on it don't remember him wearing gloves though!! As for PAYGO phones I would have thought the data for those phones would also be stored on the network servers hard to trace mind you, but still possible And technoligy is moving very fast so who knows wether burner phones
can be traced or not!!!?
Would be difficult to get a print off a phone submerged in water for that long. However if it had a plastic cover on the back then it may be possible
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Old 29-05-2016, 22:37
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Mobile phone evidence would be as good a factor as any here. Assuming they know Callum's number and he was a regular phone user they can spot when the phone calls and texts stopped.

In real life, it would be extremely difficult for the Platts to escape the rap for the killing / murder. Three of them are in on it together whereas there is only limited circumstantial evidence to connect Tony and Jason, definitely nothing in the way of forensics or hard evidence.
I didn't take account of the phone no longer being used (though David may have sent some false messages), though it could have been because the battery ran out of charge.

I'd have thought that all the Platts needed to do was "no comment" every question. That puts the onus of proof on the police, whereas if they try to answer they'll tie themselves in knots.

Though I can't see Sarah doing that successfully.
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