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Coronation Street - Suspension of Reality (Part 10) |
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No unfortunately as it's live is it 6 weeks we have of the Euro football? It's not going to really affect Emeredale ITV could easily put it on after news at 10 but they won't, even though it's still watched by millions of people! IMHO the football should be on line only but it's aint going to happen. Not a great deal any one can do but put up with it.
There are arguments pro and con subscription TV (and not to be debated on an SOR thread) but at least their channels are dedicated to sport. |
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I think police would definitely be able to ascertain that Callum was murdered inside the house which would immediately point the finger of suspicion at the Platts, not Tony or Jason.
Another angle the police would go for would be mobile phone records to see who was ringing who at the time and also use GPS tracking to find out exactly where each person's phone was on the night of the murder. You can "roughly" determin where in a cell a phone is. Unless the phone is actually used to make or receive a call or text, I doubt whether that info is retained. |
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I think police would definitely be able to ascertain that Callum was murdered inside the house which would immediately point the finger of suspicion at the Platts, not Tony or Jason.
Another angle the police would go for would be mobile phone records to see who was ringing who at the time and also use GPS tracking to find out exactly where each person's phone was on the night of the murder. Firstly, how long is it since the killing? I doubt whether lividity (I think is the word) could be used to establish whether the body was moved after death. Also, I doubt whether it would be now possible to establish even the day of death precisely, let alone a time. |
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I think you need to take a couple of time factors into account.
Firstly, how long is it since the killing? I doubt whether lividity (I think is the word) could be used to establish whether the body was moved after death. Also, I doubt whether it would be now possible to establish even the day of death precisely, let alone a time. In real life, it would be extremely difficult for the Platts to escape the rap for the killing / murder. Three of them are in on it together whereas there is only limited circumstantial evidence to connect Tony and Jason, definitely nothing in the way of forensics or hard evidence. |
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Oh, I have just read a spoiler. I now know who the police charge, and where the accused did the murder and how. Oh dear ! Dare you open up the spoiler and maybe ruin the surprise for you?
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Mobile phone evidence would be as good a factor as any here. Assuming they know Callum's number and he was a regular phone user they can spot when the phone calls and texts stopped.
In real life, it would be extremely difficult for the Platts to escape the rap for the killing / murder. Three of them are in on it together whereas there is only limited circumstantial evidence to connect Tony and Jason, definitely nothing in the way of forensics or hard evidence. |
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no way! Harry is suspect number one
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The layout of the house is that the living room goes from the front of the house to the back with the garage next to it and the kitchen behind it as an arm of the living room. There was a door leading from the kitchen into the back of the garage and is now the dorr leading from the kitchen into the annexe. The garage door was replaced with a brick wall with windows. The view we usually see from inside the annexe is towards the door leading into the kitchen.
The truck went through the new brick wall (which was the garage door) and into the annexe - it didn't reach the kitchen behind it. The floor collapsed because there are old drainage pipes and cavities under it which weren't filled in when the old factory was demolished and the new factory built with new drainage. Gail decided not to have the old drains excavated and filled in. The garage floor would easily take a car, but not the weight of a tow truck wheel on top of the manhole cover. There are various grades of manhole cover depending on what's like to pass over it. The one in our garden is quite flimsy, but the one on the drive is much heavier. |
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Wonder where it is though? Some pubs have a big footprint so could easily have a four bedroomed flat upstairs (you could imagine that at the Queen Vic for instance)
But the Rovers is barely bigger than one of the houses on the street downstairs, so where would all those bedrooms fit? Especially as back in the day they showed the upstairs living room (when Steve and Becky were considering adopting) and that was a fair size. |
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This is the mindlessness of producing so many shows per week a quarter of the cast are always off at any given time on rest periods with people just disappearing from certain scenes that they should be involved in.
A major incident on the street and where's Norris, Steve, Kevin, Sally, Liz, Leanne, Dev, Eileen, Jason, Maria, Mary, Eva, Tim and the Nazir's?, all on rota days off. If I've got some names wrong my defence is being bored to my t!ts with my mind on other things with eyes glazed while I was watching it. [suffering it more like] |
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There's the text from Kylie's phone telling Callum to come to the house too (that Sarah actually sent). The evidence points towards the Platts without doubt.
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Mobile phone evidence would be as good a factor as any here. Assuming they know Callum's number and he was a regular phone user they can spot when the phone calls and texts stopped.
In real life, it would be extremely difficult for the Platts to escape the rap for the killing / murder. Three of them are in on it together whereas there is only limited circumstantial evidence to connect Tony and Jason, definitely nothing in the way of forensics or hard evidence. Didn't David keep the phone for a while and text people to throw them off make them think he was still alive? Or did I imagine it? Also, re the phone records - would it make any difference if he was on pay as you go? Don't most drug dealers have several disposable phones so that they can't be traced to them? Or is that me being ignorant?😶 |
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How can they read the text without the phone
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[quote=BlondeGremlin;82562628]Didn't David keep the phone for a while and text people to throw them off make them think he was still alive? Or did I imagine it?
Also, re the phone records - would it make any difference if he was on pay as you go? Don't most drug dealers have several disposable phones so that they can't be traced to them? Or is that me being ignorant?😶[/QUOTE] No you're right. They're called burner phones. |
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Didn't David keep the phone for a while and text people to throw them off make them think he was still alive? Or did I imagine it?
Also, re the phone records - would it make any difference if he was on pay as you go? Don't most drug dealers have several disposable phones so that they can't be traced to them? Or is that me being ignorant?😶 |
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I think police would definitely be able to ascertain that Callum was murdered inside the house which would immediately point the finger of suspicion at the Platts, not Tony or Jason.
Another angle the police would go for would be mobile phone records to see who was ringing who at the time and also use GPS tracking to find out exactly where each person's phone was on the night of the murder. Callum beat up Jason, hospitalising him, and Tony beat up Callum for doing that. The whole street knew about it. Callum trying to get custody of Max was known by many, but harrassing the Platts for money and threatening them was only known by those immediately involved. David took Callum's phone and sent a text message from it sayng he was leaving the Platt's house. Can't remember if he sent another from it at a later date before throwing it in the canal. So Jason or Tony are legitimate suspects as well as the Platts for the murder occurring inside the house. The timing wouldn't be certain either because Denton and his mates were after Callum for the money he owed, so he could well have gone on the run and no-ne would have seen him. |
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Not that simple. Jason and co were working inside the house. They cu;d have murdered him when none of the Platts were home. They had access to the whole house, not on;y the garage.
Callum beat up Jason, hospitalising him, and Tony beat up Callum for doing that. The whole street knew about it. Callum trying to get custody of Max was known by many, but harrassing the Platts for money and threatening them was only known by those immediately involved. David took Callum's phone and sent a text message from it sayng he was leaving the Platt's house. Can't remember if he sent another from it at a later date before throwing it in the canal. So Jason or Tony are legitimate suspects as well as the Platts for the murder occurring inside the house. The timing wouldn't be certain either because Denton and his mates were after Callum for the money he owed, so he could well have gone on the run and no-ne would have seen him. On the other hand, there will be nothing forensic to connect them to the body nor would anything related to mobile phone evidence be able to implicate them. What makes it virtually impossible for the Platts to escape the rap is that too many of them are involved. Three people know what happened to Callum and how his body was disposed of versus Jason knowing nothing about any of it. |
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They're still legitimate suspects. But being suspects doesn't mean that they'll be charged. This is only the beginning of the investigation.
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Mobile phone evidence would be as good a factor as any here. Assuming they know Callum's number and he was a regular phone user they can spot when the phone calls and texts stopped.
In real life, it would be extremely difficult for the Platts to escape the rap for the killing / murder. Three of them are in on it together whereas there is only limited circumstantial evidence to connect Tony and Jason, definitely nothing in the way of forensics or hard evidence. I reckon it will be dragged out over many episode just to keep us watching
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Didn't David keep the phone for a while and text people to throw them off make them think he was still alive? Or did I imagine it?
Also, re the phone records - would it make any difference if he was on pay as you go? Don't most drug dealers have several disposable phones so that they can't be traced to them? Or is that me being ignorant?😶[/QUOTE] No you're right. They're called burner phones. can be traced or not!!!? |
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Jason and Tony would certainly be suspects because of motive and circumstantial evidence, particularly the fact that they were working in the Platt home and cemented over the annex.
On the other hand, there will be nothing forensic to connect them to the body nor would anything related to mobile phone evidence be able to implicate them. What makes it virtually impossible for the Platts to escape the rap is that too many of them are involved. Three people know what happened to Callum and how his body was disposed of versus Jason knowing nothing about any of it. that's probably why it collapsed when Tyron crashed in to the platts house even though the manhole area was cemented in? |
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Jason and Tony would certainly be suspects because of motive and circumstantial evidence, particularly the fact that they were working in the Platt home and cemented over the annex.
On the other hand, there will be nothing forensic to connect them to the body nor would anything related to mobile phone evidence be able to implicate them. What makes it virtually impossible for the Platts to escape the rap is that too many of them are involved. Three people know what happened to Callum and how his body was disposed of versus Jason knowing nothing about any of it. |
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They're still legitimate suspects. But being suspects doesn't mean that they'll be charged. This is only the beginning of the investigation.
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Yes he did and then chucked it in the canal with his finger prints on it don't remember him wearing gloves though!! As for PAYGO phones I would have thought the data for those phones would also be stored on the network servers hard to trace mind you, but still possible And technoligy is moving very fast so who knows wether burner phones
can be traced or not!!!? |
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Mobile phone evidence would be as good a factor as any here. Assuming they know Callum's number and he was a regular phone user they can spot when the phone calls and texts stopped.
In real life, it would be extremely difficult for the Platts to escape the rap for the killing / murder. Three of them are in on it together whereas there is only limited circumstantial evidence to connect Tony and Jason, definitely nothing in the way of forensics or hard evidence. I'd have thought that all the Platts needed to do was "no comment" every question. That puts the onus of proof on the police, whereas if they try to answer they'll tie themselves in knots. Though I can't see Sarah doing that successfully. |
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I reckon it will be dragged out over many episode just to keep us watching