Great post. Logic wins the day.

The problem is that it's a soap, and soap characters don't have to conform to what happens in real life. What irks me is people see a slightly dark skin and dark curly hair and immediately assume Afro/Caribbean mixed race as if that is the ONLY darker skinned, dark curly haired ethnic group. But I obviously expressed myself badly previously.

As it's a soap he could have a blonde, white skinned mother, an Indian father and look Chinese. It shouldn't be a problem. But nowadays everyone wants to know everything about a person in the public eye and because it isn't available for a child actor, they make assumptions which could be totally wrong.

Well, she's certainly tried out arborophilia. Let's just hope she doesn't bud.

Once again the : A wants to tell B something important, and keeps being interrupted. Though why should B care? He's already had D's fiancee and P's wife.

And I sense a major plotline coming up : Jason's been offered a huge job converting an old building into flats. On the strength of a phone call to a complete stranger. What's the betting he'll need to put up a large amount of money, in advance, for materials? Maybe have trouble raising it at the bank, and Eileen have to mortgage the house?

On the strength of a phone call, from a number he got from someone in the same trade, looking for work, who's mate it is...........................

Not seen this episode yet, but I wonder if Phelan is at the bottom of this new major building job so he can fleece the Grimshaws?

Seems likely.

I couldn't take last night's episode remotely seriously given that Carla was trying to confess to Nick whilst in public in The Bistro of all places. I mean why aren't they even trying to make things remotely realistic or believable nowadays. The whole show is a mess. It's like they don't even care any more. I've never been closer to giving it up. If I didn't know Blackburn was going soon I'd have already stopped watching.

Also not entirely relevant to the thread but why is Chesney such a dull, miserable old man of a character? Why does he not act remotely like a normal person of his age? He's such a pathetic character and adds nothing to the show.

him, along with half of the cast. The likes of Fiz, Sinead, Izzy, Sean, Sophie, Anna, Maria...
They're all about as entertaining as piles, and someone at Corrie needs to grow a pair and axe them.
It's such a shame that the better actors like Alison King, Paula Lane and numerous others leave whilst the likes of these cling onto their 'job for life'. Someone like Brian Park should be brought in to have a good clear out and inject some vitality back into Corrie.

Yes its so random. It is like they get the script the day before, then decide on the day where the scene takes place. Carla choosing a busy bistro to take to Nick was so rubbish.

When Tracy and Robert arrived back, Amy was home alone eating breakfast at the table and had food on a plate. What age is Amy? She must have her own key and the other kid's parent who dropped her off was happy to leave her there on her own.

Amy is 12 I believe.

Normally they don't but this is a question of ethnicity and Simon doesn't look as if he belongs to either of his parents. Add to that he was seen as a blonde baby on Corrie and as there has never been any mention of any past relatives who might account for his remarkable change in looks and you have a big SOR. And this is the SOR thread. So it's not unreasonable that FMs question and raise the issue regarding Simon.

Furthermore, soaps have never gone as far as anyone having 'a blonde, white skinned mother, an Indian father and look Chinese. It shouldn't be a problem.' It would be a problem. It would be a SOR. Eastenders have recast Martin but he's still caucasian. They've also recast Bobby. He's still caucasian. They've recast Denny he's gone from blonde to brown hair but he's still a caucasian. No one has suddenly acquired or ethnicity or a new race. That's just barking. Your analogy does not work and apart from Corrie, soaps have never gone this far with recasting. That is why it is regularly questioned on this thread, the SOR thread as a SOR.

One person has mentioned the actor and his life outside the soap and they were just trying to be helpful. However, the issue is not with the actor but with the character. Nowhere on this thread has anyone said that they want to know everything about this particular actor as you suggest, 'nowadays everyone wants to know everything about a person in the public eye.' The issue is with the character's race/ethnicity. Nothing more. And it's a question that's perfectly reasonable to be raised here on the SOR thread because it is a SOR and this is where SORs are raised.



Awful wasn't it? Of all the places. Totally a SOR. And then to make it worse, Tracy appeared and sat right in their faces, watching and listening to everything they said. Could it have got any worse? Yes. The earrings from Gail and Nick's 'You're the only woman she's accepted' speech. ◔_◔

Chesney is a relevant SOR for the reasons you state. What is he for? We all know that Fiz and Tyrone are the stars of the family and get all the big SLs. So it can only be assumed he's there bump up the numbers of the Stape/Dobbs/Brown/Sutherland/Tinker clan and is Fiz and Ty's support act. However, they could always recast and get less of a minger and then make his personality sparkle more.

Sinead would be great with someone a bit more lively.

Like you, I await the new producer...................................

This is a SOR in itself. As if Gail would so willingly accept an alcoholic mess like Carla with a gambling addiction, history of affairs and general mess up in every way possible. It took her forever to accept Kylie into the family so why would she welcome Carla so soon?

They can't make out that Gail is some sort of major Matriarchal figure like Peggy Mitchell, AND at the same time play Gail to be a simpering doddery fool. Gail is becoming less and less clearly defined over the years.

At a guess , yes. The man Jason phoned is probably Phelans partner in crime

Clive the foreman perhaps - wouldn't mind seeing him again.

It is all contrived crap. And we got the good old soap cliche when a character wants to tell someone something, but the other person interrupts them wanting to reveal something of their own. And then they ask "what is the big secret you want to tell me?" and the person wanting to talk to them decides not to.

In reality if someone said they wanted to tell you something important you'd listen! It is such a stupid, irritating soap cliche.

Particularly as her opening line was something like 'Ive done something really dreadful.' If my husband said that to me I'd be all ears, expecting the worst, not start droning on about some other old nonsense.

No matter to Blackburn that a couple of Polish builders could do a better job at half the price

At least Phelan can't fleece Jason's brain.....'cos it's empty

It's infuriating. Time and again they use this, and it seems to have become more frequent, along with eavesdropping which is constantly deployed.

The attempted confession was all the more unbelievable when conducted with Tracy watching. Why on earth wouldn't Carla go somewhere private to tell him? Like at home, for example...

I think you're going off at a tangent with this. I agree with ewoodie on this - no-one is interested in the private life of the actor who plays Simon. What we are raising again is that he doesn't look suitable for the part, and as he gets older his unsuitability is growing ever more obvious. It is you who seems to be conflating actor and character.

Well I couldn't care less whether or not a child looks like its soap parents as long as they can act - which few in Corrie are being allowed to do at the moment.

Steve and Andy McDonald didn't look like brothers, let alone twins, even non-identical.

Rosie and Sophie couldn't look less related.

And Ruby certainly doesn't look like the offspring of Tyrone and Kirsty.

And it might just be that Simon's real parents are in real life as has been described, i.e..blonde mother and Mediterranean-looking father and the casting director tried to get as close to that as he could in Alex Bain for dark Peter and blonde Lucy.

But none of it matters.

I seriously hate what they've done to Gail's character, and god knows what Helen Worth must feel about it.

The writers have recreated her as this simpering fool, but it's just an insult to those who have watched Corrie for years and grew up with Gail. She's always been a tad foolish, but she isn't shallow!! She was a force, and stood up to David, Nick or Sarah when need be. And it's somewhat ironic they've harked back to the past and added sprinkles of Ivy to Gail.

What is depressing is Corrie have a fantastic actress and they're not using her properly. Instead they seem intent giving clapped-out Carla Barla and moonshine Michelle all the challenging stuff.

So do I!!!

You clearly do care or else you wouldn't be posting or suggesting utter nonsense and going off into the realms of utter fantasy about what soap viewers would accept in terms of characters and their ethnicity such as this in your earlier post:


http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2146

So.......

Mum http://cdn.itv.com/uploads/editor/Yg...XQLI-Q4o9c.jpg
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Dad http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/Ac...0130902-79.jpg
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Child http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/...20110429203531

Really?

I agree - Alex Bain has always been Curly Si, the child of Peter and Lucy for me so I find him perfectly convincing in the role even tthough he's grown and changed. If he were replaced by the real son of Chris Gascoigne and whoever played Lucy (if they had one ) it would be less convincing - for a while anyway