I miss the old tin bath in front of the fire.
Dad first, followed by mum, then the dog and then the children.
Bliss!
Dad first, followed by mum, then the dog and then the children.
Bliss!
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Originally Posted by pete137:
“Why does Anna not just tell Kevin the real reason she hates Phelan, considering she was basically raped by him (in the sence she was blackmailed into having sex with him against her will).”
“Why does Anna not just tell Kevin the real reason she hates Phelan, considering she was basically raped by him (in the sence she was blackmailed into having sex with him against her will).”
Whoooaaa, there. 'Basically raped'? What the f...? She slept with Phelan voluntarily if you remember. If you want to blame someone blame Owen's idiotic decision to go into business with a shark like Phelan in the first place. Then blame dim Gary for bludgeoning Phelan half to death and hospitalising him. Blame the whole stupid, dim witted shower of halfwits that make up the Owen-Armstrong clan for talking a sceptical Owen into becoming partners with Phelan.
Originally Posted by Roger_Peters:
“I miss the old tin bath in front of the fire.”
“I miss the old tin bath in front of the fire.”
Like to see Eva in a tin bath
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“Like to see Eva in a tin bath ”
“Like to see Eva in a tin bath
”
With Michelle and Sinead scrubbing her back ! Yikes.
The problem with writing out a character for an extended period is that the cast are more ubiquitous and prominent than decades ago. There are more episodes, more filler scenes, more random conversations between characters, gibbering away about what they are doing, why they are doing it and where they'll be heading off to. And this goes for all continuing dramas.
But Steve staying put at the last second because Andy broke his leg.....awful. Andy's a big boy, he can look after himself. And why couldn't Steve just say he wanted to take a break from the hectic Weatherfield lifestyle because he's depressed.........MissHell isn't going to give him marching orders and drag him by t'ear.
Just because these write outs worked in 1980 doesn't necessarily mean it would work today. If the live or Christmas Day episodes proved anything, it's style over substance. They want to cram every character as possible to make it a spectacle. Case in point, the episode centering Deirdre's funeral, which I felt was mind-numbing and crass. The one where Peter returned was very simple, minimalistic, and sometimes that's all we ask from Corrie. No pretentious guff, just pure character dialogue.
She's too busy up Carla Barla's backside to notice. Sometimes I wonder if Michelle was destined to marry that woman.
But Steve staying put at the last second because Andy broke his leg.....awful. Andy's a big boy, he can look after himself. And why couldn't Steve just say he wanted to take a break from the hectic Weatherfield lifestyle because he's depressed.........MissHell isn't going to give him marching orders and drag him by t'ear.
Just because these write outs worked in 1980 doesn't necessarily mean it would work today. If the live or Christmas Day episodes proved anything, it's style over substance. They want to cram every character as possible to make it a spectacle. Case in point, the episode centering Deirdre's funeral, which I felt was mind-numbing and crass. The one where Peter returned was very simple, minimalistic, and sometimes that's all we ask from Corrie. No pretentious guff, just pure character dialogue.
Originally Posted by Petrixle:
“What's most ridiculous about this is how Michelle hasn't taken the reigns as Street Cars since Steve Buggared off. As his wife surely she would have stepped in as a temporary manager to keep her husbands business ticking over- like she did at Underworld, despite having no prior experience with that business or any other. Surely Liz could have found someone to cover her shifts at the Rover's easily enough.”
“What's most ridiculous about this is how Michelle hasn't taken the reigns as Street Cars since Steve Buggared off. As his wife surely she would have stepped in as a temporary manager to keep her husbands business ticking over- like she did at Underworld, despite having no prior experience with that business or any other. Surely Liz could have found someone to cover her shifts at the Rover's easily enough.”
She's too busy up Carla Barla's backside to notice. Sometimes I wonder if Michelle was destined to marry that woman.
Originally Posted by mark e a:
“I don't think you're getting what I'm saying.
First of all Simon's depression is public knowledge. As I said, I've had depression, and I know it's different for everyone. If he needs a long time to get well then that's what he needs.
My criticism is of the writers who do the "looking after sick friend/relative" line to explain unexpected absences by actors every time - such as Deirdre, Ken, Kevin, Roy, Steve...”
“I don't think you're getting what I'm saying.
First of all Simon's depression is public knowledge. As I said, I've had depression, and I know it's different for everyone. If he needs a long time to get well then that's what he needs.
My criticism is of the writers who do the "looking after sick friend/relative" line to explain unexpected absences by actors every time - such as Deirdre, Ken, Kevin, Roy, Steve...”
Fiz and Maria.......
Until last week we hadn't seen Mr & Mrs Nazir for awhile - did anybody miss them
How is Mrs Nazir's Community Centre going and who is running the gym these days ?
How is Mrs Nazir's Community Centre going and who is running the gym these days ?
Originally Posted by Petrixle:
“Sometimes they have no choice but to explain people's absence in ways that will just never be entirely convincing. Deidre missed her daughters wedding because she was comforting her friend who's brother has died. I do think maybe they could have tried a little bit hard to explain Deidre's absence, but they had to come up with something as obviously Anne Kirkbride was not well enough to appear.
I think in this case knowing that the actor playing Steve has his own personal reasons for not being able to work right now, we shouldn't get into debates on how this is dealt with on screen. The viewers should respect this and put their focus on to other characters in the show, until he is ready to return.”
“Sometimes they have no choice but to explain people's absence in ways that will just never be entirely convincing. Deidre missed her daughters wedding because she was comforting her friend who's brother has died. I do think maybe they could have tried a little bit hard to explain Deidre's absence, but they had to come up with something as obviously Anne Kirkbride was not well enough to appear.
I think in this case knowing that the actor playing Steve has his own personal reasons for not being able to work right now, we shouldn't get into debates on how this is dealt with on screen. The viewers should respect this and put their focus on to other characters in the show, until he is ready to return.”
I completely disagree. Once again - we need to make a distinction between actor and character, and viewers have every right to criticise the ways in which characters are temporarily written out. This has nothing to do with the cause of the actors' absence: as viewers we see the result.
Originally Posted by Petrixle:
“What's most ridiculous about this is how Michelle hasn't taken the reigns as Street Cars since Steve Buggared off. As his wife surely she would have stepped in as a temporary manager to keep her husbands business ticking over- like she did at Underworld, despite having no prior experience with that business or any other. Surely Liz could have found someone to cover her shifts at the Rover's easily enough.”
“What's most ridiculous about this is how Michelle hasn't taken the reigns as Street Cars since Steve Buggared off. As his wife surely she would have stepped in as a temporary manager to keep her husbands business ticking over- like she did at Underworld, despite having no prior experience with that business or any other. Surely Liz could have found someone to cover her shifts at the Rover's easily enough.”
Michelle Connor actually doing something like work? Connors don't work. They have minions for that! But then again she is Carla's minion. You're right. She should have been at Streetcars doing something!
Originally Posted by Belligerence:
“The problem with writing out a character for an extended period is that the cast are more ubiquitous and prominent than decades ago. There are more episodes, more filler scenes, more random conversations between characters, gibbering away about what they are doing, why they are doing it and where they'll be heading off to. And this goes for all continuing dramas.
But Steve staying put at the last second because Andy broke his leg.....awful. Andy's a big boy, he can look after himself. And why couldn't Steve just say he wanted to take a break from the hectic Weatherfield lifestyle because he's depressed.........MissHell isn't going to give him marching orders and drag him by t'ear.
Just because these write outs worked in 1980 doesn't necessarily mean it would work today. If the live or Christmas Day episodes proved anything, it's style over substance. They want to cram every character as possible to make it a spectacle. Case in point, the episode centering Deirdre's funeral, which I felt was mind-numbing and crass. The one where Peter returned was very simple, minimalistic, and sometimes that's all we ask from Corrie. No pretentious guff, just pure character dialogue.
She's too busy up Carla Barla's backside to notice. Sometimes I wonder if Michelle was destined to marry that woman.”
“The problem with writing out a character for an extended period is that the cast are more ubiquitous and prominent than decades ago. There are more episodes, more filler scenes, more random conversations between characters, gibbering away about what they are doing, why they are doing it and where they'll be heading off to. And this goes for all continuing dramas.
But Steve staying put at the last second because Andy broke his leg.....awful. Andy's a big boy, he can look after himself. And why couldn't Steve just say he wanted to take a break from the hectic Weatherfield lifestyle because he's depressed.........MissHell isn't going to give him marching orders and drag him by t'ear.
Just because these write outs worked in 1980 doesn't necessarily mean it would work today. If the live or Christmas Day episodes proved anything, it's style over substance. They want to cram every character as possible to make it a spectacle. Case in point, the episode centering Deirdre's funeral, which I felt was mind-numbing and crass. The one where Peter returned was very simple, minimalistic, and sometimes that's all we ask from Corrie. No pretentious guff, just pure character dialogue.
She's too busy up Carla Barla's backside to notice. Sometimes I wonder if Michelle was destined to marry that woman.
”
No. She instantly gave all that up when Steve got depressed.
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“Until last week we hadn't seen Mr & Mrs Nazir for awhile - did anybody miss them
How is Mrs Nazir's Community Centre going and who is running the gym these days ?”
“Until last week we hadn't seen Mr & Mrs Nazir for awhile - did anybody miss them
How is Mrs Nazir's Community Centre going and who is running the gym these days ?”
No. They are back to being annoying. Alya and her mate had granny, grandad, brother and half the staff standing over their table when they were at the bistro.
I apologise for getting the wrong end of the stick over Steve's absence, but in the past posters have frequently criticised an actor rather than the character they play.
I agree the reasons for characters being absence are ludicrous nowadays. In the past, as has been mentioned, characters were referred to but not seen and children were sent upstairs to play tapes or have a sleepover (although that's still frequently used) and no-one questioned their absence. But that was in the days before forums and other social media. Nowadays people criticise and demand to know every aspect of what's going on and actors are only too willing to share their lives on the likes of Twitter and Facebook.
Apart from silly explanations on why characters aren't appearing there are also disappearing without explanation (apart from being parked somewhere until needed) such as Mary's mobile home not being retrieved, Steve's expensive special car, the camper van for weddings, Luke's racing car. They won't be mentioned again. Probably better they don't rather than come up with a ludicrous explanation on what happened to them.
I agree the reasons for characters being absence are ludicrous nowadays. In the past, as has been mentioned, characters were referred to but not seen and children were sent upstairs to play tapes or have a sleepover (although that's still frequently used) and no-one questioned their absence. But that was in the days before forums and other social media. Nowadays people criticise and demand to know every aspect of what's going on and actors are only too willing to share their lives on the likes of Twitter and Facebook.
Apart from silly explanations on why characters aren't appearing there are also disappearing without explanation (apart from being parked somewhere until needed) such as Mary's mobile home not being retrieved, Steve's expensive special car, the camper van for weddings, Luke's racing car. They won't be mentioned again. Probably better they don't rather than come up with a ludicrous explanation on what happened to them.
Originally Posted by TrebleKing:
“Whoooaaa, there. 'Basically raped'? What the f...? She slept with Phelan voluntarily if you remember. If you want to blame someone blame Owen's idiotic decision to go into business with a shark like Phelan in the first place. Then blame dim Gary for bludgeoning Phelan half to death and hospitalising him. Blame the whole stupid, dim witted shower of halfwits that make up the Owen-Armstrong clan for talking a sceptical Owen into becoming partners with Phelan.”
“Whoooaaa, there. 'Basically raped'? What the f...? She slept with Phelan voluntarily if you remember. If you want to blame someone blame Owen's idiotic decision to go into business with a shark like Phelan in the first place. Then blame dim Gary for bludgeoning Phelan half to death and hospitalising him. Blame the whole stupid, dim witted shower of halfwits that make up the Owen-Armstrong clan for talking a sceptical Owen into becoming partners with Phelan.”
Just to be pedantic, Anna didn't sleep with Phelan; he had sex with her. He might just as well have done it with a blow up doll, but that wouldn't have given him a hole over her.
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“I apologise for getting the wrong end of the stick over Steve's absence, but in the past posters have frequently criticised an actor rather than the character they play.
I agree the reasons for characters being absence are ludicrous nowadays. In the past, as has been mentioned, characters were referred to but not seen and children were sent upstairs to play tapes or have a sleepover (although that's still frequently used) and no-one questioned their absence. But that was in the days before forums and other social media. Nowadays people criticise and demand to know every aspect of what's going on and actors are only too willing to share their lives on the likes of Twitter and Facebook.
Apart from silly explanations on why characters aren't appearing there are also disappearing without explanation (apart from being parked somewhere until needed) such as Mary's mobile home not being retrieved, Steve's expensive special car, the camper van for weddings, Luke's racing car. They won't be mentioned again. Probably better they don't rather than come up with a ludicrous explanation on what happened to them.”
“I apologise for getting the wrong end of the stick over Steve's absence, but in the past posters have frequently criticised an actor rather than the character they play.
I agree the reasons for characters being absence are ludicrous nowadays. In the past, as has been mentioned, characters were referred to but not seen and children were sent upstairs to play tapes or have a sleepover (although that's still frequently used) and no-one questioned their absence. But that was in the days before forums and other social media. Nowadays people criticise and demand to know every aspect of what's going on and actors are only too willing to share their lives on the likes of Twitter and Facebook.
Apart from silly explanations on why characters aren't appearing there are also disappearing without explanation (apart from being parked somewhere until needed) such as Mary's mobile home not being retrieved, Steve's expensive special car, the camper van for weddings, Luke's racing car. They won't be mentioned again. Probably better they don't rather than come up with a ludicrous explanation on what happened to them.”
Janet, you didnt get the wrong end of the stick. TrebleKing was talking about the actor, not character.
He said...
"The whole thing regarding Steve pissing off for months is farcical. All because the actor's swinging the lead....again."
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“Just to be pedantic, Anna didn't sleep with Phelan; he had sex with her. He might just as well have done it with a blow up doll, but that wouldn't have given him a hole over her.”
“Just to be pedantic, Anna didn't sleep with Phelan; he had sex with her. He might just as well have done it with a blow up doll, but that wouldn't have given him a hole over her.”
Hole?
Do you mean a puncture?
regarding characters being written out or not due to actor absences Lloyd was just not seen for six months when Craig Charles was suspended for smoking joints
so odd that the write some characters out, others are just AWIOL for a while
so odd that the write some characters out, others are just AWIOL for a while
Originally Posted by honeythewitch:
“Janet, you didnt get the wrong end of the stick. TrebleKing was talking about the actor, not character.
He said...
"The whole thing regarding Steve pissing off for months is farcical. All because the actor's swinging the lead....again."
Hole? Do you mean a puncture? ”
“Janet, you didnt get the wrong end of the stick. TrebleKing was talking about the actor, not character.
He said...
"The whole thing regarding Steve pissing off for months is farcical. All because the actor's swinging the lead....again."
Hole?
Do you mean a puncture? ”
Having been pounced on by several posters, I assumed I'd read what he said incorrectly. Thanks for vindicating me. Don't like personal attacks on real people.
I meant having a hold over her.
Originally Posted by stevepjk:
“regarding characters being written out or not due to actor absences Lloyd was just not seen for six months when Craig Charles was suspended for smoking joints
so odd that the write some characters out, others are just AWIOL for a while”
“regarding characters being written out or not due to actor absences Lloyd was just not seen for six months when Craig Charles was suspended for smoking joints
so odd that the write some characters out, others are just AWIOL for a while”
It was something a lot stronger than joints, it was crack cocaine
Originally Posted by TrebleKing:
“Whoooaaa, there. 'Basically raped'? What the f...? She slept with Phelan voluntarily if you remember. If you want to blame someone blame Owen's idiotic decision to go into business with a shark like Phelan in the first place. Then blame dim Gary for bludgeoning Phelan half to death and hospitalising him. Blame the whole stupid, dim witted shower of halfwits that make up the Owen-Armstrong clan for talking a sceptical Owen into becoming partners with Phelan.”
“Whoooaaa, there. 'Basically raped'? What the f...? She slept with Phelan voluntarily if you remember. If you want to blame someone blame Owen's idiotic decision to go into business with a shark like Phelan in the first place. Then blame dim Gary for bludgeoning Phelan half to death and hospitalising him. Blame the whole stupid, dim witted shower of halfwits that make up the Owen-Armstrong clan for talking a sceptical Owen into becoming partners with Phelan.”
Exactly, Anna gave her full consent to Phelan, she was not raped at all.
Originally Posted by ewoodie:
“No. She instantly gave all that up when Steve got depressed.”
“No. She instantly gave all that up when Steve got depressed.
”
What, when you mean he got CLINICAL DEPRESSION!?
I too wish they'd dream up something other than sick relatives, in Steve's case he could have easily gone to help Andy set up a new bar or something, just for a change.
In maternity leave cases, I wish they'd get a temporary actress in to cover the leave, and maybe reduce the storylines for that character so the change of head didn't grate too much.
Originally Posted by fayemian:
“What, when you mean he got CLINICAL DEPRESSION!?
I too wish they'd dream up something other than sick relatives, in Steve's case he could have easily gone to help Andy set up a new bar or something, just for a change.
In maternity leave cases, I wish they'd get a temporary actress in to cover the leave, and maybe reduce the storylines for that character so the change of head didn't grate too much.”
“What, when you mean he got CLINICAL DEPRESSION!?
I too wish they'd dream up something other than sick relatives, in Steve's case he could have easily gone to help Andy set up a new bar or something, just for a change.
In maternity leave cases, I wish they'd get a temporary actress in to cover the leave, and maybe reduce the storylines for that character so the change of head didn't grate too much.”
I was particularly irritated by Fiz going to look after mother for months on end and then she didnt come and help them when Hope had cancer.
Even for self centered Cilla, that would be very unlikely indeed.
Originally Posted by Foxster Hotpot:
“Exactly, Anna gave her full consent to Phelan, she was not raped at all.”
“Exactly, Anna gave her full consent to Phelan, she was not raped at all.”
It was a sleazy arrangement but nowhere even close to rape. Anna should really only be angry with herself as she could have declined Phelan's "offer" at any point (one wonders if all her rage is really with herself for making a poor decision and not with Phelan).
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“It was a sleazy arrangement but nowhere even close to rape. Anna should really only be angry with herself as she could have declined Phelan's "offer" at any point (one wonders if all her rage is really with herself for making a poor decision and not with Phelan).”
“It was a sleazy arrangement but nowhere even close to rape. Anna should really only be angry with herself as she could have declined Phelan's "offer" at any point (one wonders if all her rage is really with herself for making a poor decision and not with Phelan).”
In the eyes of the law it certainly is. Under the theft act 1968 the criminal offence of blackmail consists of making an unwarranted demand with menaces with a view to making a gain or causing a loss.
Then read this http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/s...ckmail_sexual/
Legally Phelan is a rapist. Rape doesnt mean hoding someone down and forcing them, it means simply forcing them which is what Phelan did
Originally Posted by Foxster Hotpot:
“Exactly, Anna gave her full consent to Phelan, she was not raped at all.”
“Exactly, Anna gave her full consent to Phelan, she was not raped at all.”
Originally Posted by jackol:
“In the eyes of the law it certainly is. Under the theft act 1968 the criminal offence of blackmail consists of making an unwarranted demand with menaces with a view to making a gain or causing a loss.
Then read this http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/s...ckmail_sexual/
Legally Phelan is a rapist. Rape doesnt mean hoding someone down and forcing them, it means simply forcing them which is what Phelan did”
“In the eyes of the law it certainly is. Under the theft act 1968 the criminal offence of blackmail consists of making an unwarranted demand with menaces with a view to making a gain or causing a loss.
Then read this http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/s...ckmail_sexual/
Legally Phelan is a rapist. Rape doesnt mean hoding someone down and forcing them, it means simply forcing them which is what Phelan did”
Exactly, Im shocked that some people here (including women) dont realise that rape doesnt automatically mean someone physically holding you down against your will. Blackmailing someone to have sex with you is rape, therefore Phelan is a rapist. You could have a women forced to work as a prostitute in a brothel against her will. Even though she is'nt fighting off the clients and is "letting" them do it, it is still rape every time as she is forced into it against her will. Phelan is a rapist.
The Anna and Phelan storyline has now become the biggest SOR ever after the moronic growling and stamping about incident by Anna, was it bad acting poor scriptwriting or what, whatever it was they have now ruined any credibility the storyline had which wasn't a lot to start with anything further that happens will just be seen in a comedic way.
Originally Posted by pete137:
“Exactly, Im shocked that some people here (including women) dont realise that rape doesnt automatically mean someone physically holding you down against your will. Blackmailing someone to have sex with you is rape, therefore Phelan is a rapist. You could have a women forced to work as a prostitute in a brothel against her will. Even though she is'nt fighting off the clients and is "letting" them do it, it is still rape every time as she is forced into it against her will. Phelan is a rapist.”
“Exactly, Im shocked that some people here (including women) dont realise that rape doesnt automatically mean someone physically holding you down against your will. Blackmailing someone to have sex with you is rape, therefore Phelan is a rapist. You could have a women forced to work as a prostitute in a brothel against her will. Even though she is'nt fighting off the clients and is "letting" them do it, it is still rape every time as she is forced into it against her will. Phelan is a rapist.”
I have stated my case several times and have been told not to take it too seriously because it's only fiction. Fiction or not, if those who are supporting Phelan, a rapist under the law, really do believe the character's someone to be admired, regardless of what they think of Anna, then I really do dread what standards of morality and respect will be in 20 years time. Hopefully I won't still be alive to see it.
Originally Posted by pete137:
“Exactly, Im shocked that some people here (including women) dont realise that rape doesnt automatically mean someone physically holding you down against your will. Blackmailing someone to have sex with you is rape, therefore Phelan is a rapist. You could have a women forced to work as a prostitute in a brothel against her will. Even though she is'nt fighting off the clients and is "letting" them do it, it is still rape every time as she is forced into it against her will. Phelan is a rapist.”
“Exactly, Im shocked that some people here (including women) dont realise that rape doesnt automatically mean someone physically holding you down against your will. Blackmailing someone to have sex with you is rape, therefore Phelan is a rapist. You could have a women forced to work as a prostitute in a brothel against her will. Even though she is'nt fighting off the clients and is "letting" them do it, it is still rape every time as she is forced into it against her will. Phelan is a rapist.”
Some people's attitudes are very disturbing. Phelan continually made advances on Anna when she clearly wasn't interested, then when she was in a desperate place blackmailed her into having sex with him. He knew full well she didn't want to sleep with him, so he IS a rapist. I can't believe people don't see him for what he is. But then again I'm not surprised, there were plenty of people on here trying to defend Dean after he raped Linda in EE.
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“I have stated my case several times and have been told not to take it too seriously because it's only fiction. Fiction or not, if those who are supporting Phelan, a rapist under the law, really do believe the character's someone to be admired, regardless of what they think of Anna, then I really do dread what standards of morality and respect will be in 20 years time. Hopefully I won't still be alive to see it.”
“I have stated my case several times and have been told not to take it too seriously because it's only fiction. Fiction or not, if those who are supporting Phelan, a rapist under the law, really do believe the character's someone to be admired, regardless of what they think of Anna, then I really do dread what standards of morality and respect will be in 20 years time. Hopefully I won't still be alive to see it.”
You surely can't be serious, that you would wish yourself to be dead in the near future because of what some people think of a fictitional soap character?
I really hope Phelan isn't going to be a long term character, as I am pretty fed up of all these arguments about Phelan and Anna, who cares ? What happened to the funny posts we used to get on here?
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