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Old 26-12-2015, 19:56
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I notice a frequent thing on these boards where posters seem to get confused.

Its ok to dislike a character in a soap. Some of them do despicable and redeemable things.

Ronnie gets a hard time on here for the baby snatch etc.

But why on EARTH would you call for these characters to go?

They are the foundation of the entertainment. Its ok i get that you would want nothing to do with them in real life but Eastenders needs the villains.

Jane Beale is a fascinating character, she did a terrible thing out of desperation to protect her child.

THAT is what we are here for. The complex characters.

Why keep saying things like 'she's evil she needs to go'

NO we need characters like that
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Old 26-12-2015, 20:03
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I admit I want rapist Dean gone. The actor is doing a great job though in making me hate Dean. Then there are other characters I want gone as the actors and actress are terrible. Shane Richie and the Alfie cheeky chappy routine is unbearable. Antony Cotton as Sean Tully is unbearable. Letitia Dean as Sharon in Eastenders is unbearable. OK it's not actual pain but yeah they're painfully bad at acting.
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Old 26-12-2015, 20:05
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Gone are the days when people just sit and enjoy the show for what it is.

It's a soap

A bit of escapism
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Old 26-12-2015, 20:05
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Agreed. A lot of people on here and on the Eastenders Facebook page call for great characters (especially the villains) to be axed or killed off. The show would be boring without Ronnie, Jane, Phil ect.
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Old 26-12-2015, 20:09
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Agreed. A lot of people on here and on the Eastenders Facebook page call for great characters (especially the villains) to be axed or killed off. The show would be boring without Ronnie, Jane, Phil ect.
Phil has become ridiculous. I think he should be taken in a completely new direction away from his being "gangster" which he really isn't anyway. I'm absolutely fed up with Phil always winning. Just who is he supposed to be?
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Old 26-12-2015, 20:11
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No confusion here.

People like Ross Barton and Robert Sugden get on my wick and I was happy when Ross 'died'... unfortunately, it wasn't for long.

I understand where you're coming from - I absolutely adore Charity Dingle, my favourite character probably ever in soap, and she's no saint, but we don't all have the same tastes nor do we have the same ideas of who or what makes a decent/interesting character.

I generally love the more innocent, kinder characters. People like Victoria, Kirin and Vanessa are much more watchable because they're relatable. They're not constantly plotting or always making snide remarks, they're much more like a real human being. With the exception of Charity, I much prefer those types of characters over the "entertaining" ones any day.

I'm sick and tired of everyone murdering and raping one another (and getting away with it).
I'm sick and tired of everyone having absolutely no loyalty or compassion as they sleep around.
I'm sick and tired of everyone having absolutely no morals whatsoever.

It isn't entertaining, and those sort of characters can do one. Time the crew got off their arses and earned their wages instead of relying on these lazy plots all the time.
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Old 26-12-2015, 20:19
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No confusion here.

People like Ross Barton and Robert Sugden get on my wick and I was happy when Ross 'died'... unfortunately, it wasn't for long.I understand where you're coming from - I absolutely adore Charity Dingle, my favourite character probably ever in soap, and she's no saint, but we don't all have the same tastes nor do we have the same ideas of who or what makes a decent/interesting character.

I generally love the more innocent, kinder characters. People like Victoria, Kirin and Vanessa are much more watchable because they're relatable. They're not constantly plotting or always making snide remarks, they're much more like a real human being. With the exception of Charity, I much prefer those types of characters over the "entertaining" ones any day.

I'm sick and tired of everyone murdering and raping one another (and getting away with it).
I'm sick and tired of everyone having absolutely no loyalty or compassion as they sleep around.
I'm sick and tired of everyone having absolutely no morals whatsoever.

It isn't entertaining, and those sort of characters can do one. Time the crew got off their arses and earned their wages instead of relying on these lazy plots all the time.
I love Ross Barton and Robert Sugden. I agree that Charity is brilliant though. I do prefer the more criminally minded characters in Emmerdale over the "kinder" (boring) characters. I find Victoria just so yawn boring. Kirin and Vanessa are OK but there is Rakesh being bad that makes those two more interesting plus Adam thinking the kid is his.
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Old 26-12-2015, 20:20
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It's not confusion but taste in which we all differ. I bet even the OP wants someone to go that others do not. As for villains the trouble in soaps now, particularly EE is that everyone is one. Who'd have though Jane would be a villain

I think people just want to see people actually punished for their crimes which is fair enough to me.
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Old 26-12-2015, 20:29
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I'm not sure it's confusion as much as wanting to see the character get their comeuppance, whether that means the character is written out permanently or temporarily is up to writers.
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Old 26-12-2015, 20:31
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It's not confusion but taste in which we all differ. I bet even the OP wants someone to go that others do not. As for villains the trouble in soaps now, particularly EE is that everyone is one. Who'd have though Jane would be a villain

I think people just want to see people actually punished for their crimes which is fair enough to me
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BIB 1 Yes, this is true. I'm not confused. I like what I like and that's just me and my taste.
BIB 2 Personally I like seeing some characters like Ross Barton getting away with their crimes. I root for Ross when he's up to no good!
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Old 26-12-2015, 20:40
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I love Ross Barton and Robert Sugden. I agree that Charity is brilliant though. I do prefer the more criminally minded characters in Emmerdale over the "kinder" (boring) characters. I find Victoria just so yawn boring. Kirin and Vanessa are OK but there is Rakesh being bad that makes those two more interesting plus Adam thinking the kid is his.
You see, I don't agree that they're boring - it's that the writers/producers don't use them properly. Characters are only interesting these days when they're killing, raping, mugging and just generally being a complete thug, whilst everyone else is forgotten.

The Bernice/Lawrence plot has been fantastic. The run up to the wedding/Bernice sleeping with Andy was excellently written. At first I was rolling my eyes that another character had cheated on her partner, but Chrissie telling her father immediately (i.e. not dragging it out) and the heartbreaking scenes that followed were brilliant. That sort of writing made me care for all the characters involved - Andy, Lawrence, Chrissie and Bernice. I could see all their view points clearly and it all made sense.

If they made that sort of effort with every character and storyline, then those 'boring' characters would stop being neglected and maybe wouldn't be so boring anymore.

I love a good bad boy/bitch as much as anyone, but when a good chunk of the cast is supposedly one, they all sort of just merge into one and overpower the show and it's just such a lazy route for the producers to take.
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Old 26-12-2015, 20:43
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I'm not sure it's confusion as much as wanting to see the character get their comeuppance, whether that means the character is written out permanently or temporarily is up to writers.
For some characters like rapist Dean on EE then yes I want his comeuppance and I want to see the back of his creepy ass. I agree too that we're not confused. To tell other people they are "confused" because they want characters they hate gone is a bit condescending. If I'm watching a gory film about a dad tearing a man who raped his daughter limb from limb then I'm glad the rapist gets killed in such a barbaric way. However I would root for the dad even if he is very violent and would want him to have a happy ending living a peaceful life with his family in the countryside near the sea
As for the soaps I think if a criminal is charming, funny, charismatic and hot like Ross or Charity in Emmerdale people will root for the characters even if they are criminals. If they're made to look creepy like Dean in Eastenders people will really hate them. I think Jane Beale is a great character and I'll be sorry to see her go. Yes she did something very bad but I think a lot of parents would empathise with Jane and root for her.
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Old 26-12-2015, 20:56
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I notice a frequent thing on these boards where posters seem to get confused.

Its ok to dislike a character in a soap. Some of them do despicable and redeemable things.

Ronnie gets a hard time on here for the baby snatch etc.

But why on EARTH would you call for these characters to go?

They are the foundation of the entertainment. Its ok i get that you would want nothing to do with them in real life but Eastenders needs the villains.

Jane Beale is a fascinating character, she did a terrible thing out of desperation to protect her child.

THAT is what we are here for. The complex characters.

Why keep saying things like 'she's evil she needs to go'

NO we need characters like that
Some can't seem to separate fiction from reality and take it all too seriously
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Old 26-12-2015, 21:03
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I love Ross Barton and Robert Sugden. I agree that Charity is brilliant though. I do prefer the more criminally minded characters in Emmerdale over the "kinder" (boring) characters. I find Victoria just so yawn boring. Kirin and Vanessa are OK but there is Rakesh being bad that makes those two more interesting plus Adam thinking the kid is his.
Fair enough, however I think arguably, a character like Ross Barton is boring because he is one dimensional in the sense that he can only really get involved in petty crimes again and again with no real depth to his character. The quicker he leaves the better
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Old 26-12-2015, 21:11
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BIB 1 Yes, this is true. I'm not confused. I like what I like and that's just me and my taste.
BIB 2 Personally I like seeing some characters like Ross Barton getting away with their crimes. I root for Ross when he's up to no good!
Point 2 is covered in 1 though. It's about taste and who you like. I had no problem with John Stape in Corrie getting away with murder again and again but despair of Ronnie in EE ever facing any kind of justice. I liked Stape but cannot bear Ronnie
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Old 26-12-2015, 21:13
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Fair enough, however I think arguably, a character like Ross Barton is boring because he is one dimensional in the sense that he can only really get involved in petty crimes again and again with no real depth to his character. The quicker he leaves the better
Yes, Ross does need to be given something else to do but I'm not sure what. As Donna was dying from cancer (I think it was cancer) I think giving him a serious illness wouldn't work. He has Moses and seems to be mellowing a bit and as Moses gets bigger he can have more father and son storylines. I do think Michael Parr is very talented though. I like the way he injects humour in to Ross Barton. I loved it when he offered to play baby Jesus in the village nativity and when he was in the van singing "Oops Upside Your Head" or whatever the song is called.
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Old 26-12-2015, 21:14
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I hate it when posters try and take the moral highground when it comes to characters like Deano and demand he goes but when "legends" like Phil are behaving in a scumbag manner it's all good. Phil is past it, finished, a joke and deserves to go. Up and coming characters deserve more of a chance.
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Old 26-12-2015, 21:14
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I hate it when posters try and take the moral highground when it comes to characters like Deano and demand he goes but when "legends" like Phil are behaving in a scumbag manner it's all good. Phil is past it, finished, a joke and deserves to go. Up and coming characters deserve more of a chance.
Well Phil hasn't raped anyone..
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Old 26-12-2015, 21:27
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I hate it when posters try and take the moral highground when it comes to characters like Deano and demand he goes but when "legends" like Phil are behaving in a scumbag manner it's all good. Phil is past it, finished, a joke and deserves to go. Up and coming characters deserve more of a chance.
Phil is a joke I agree. Unfortunately he's a draw for a lot of viewers. Most people of a certain age have heard of him and DTC seems to be turning Eastenders into a show for older viewers. I actually think the producers would be scared of axing Phil Mitchell. I'm not saying I think it's right, as I like new characters and all the returns are annoying to me. I really hate the way Phil Mitchell always wins no matter who his enemy is. It's stale for one thing and secondly in real life there are up and coming hungry young criminals who would put someone like Phil on his ass and keep him there never to get up. Yes of course there are older, very frightening criminals like the Adams family but Phil Mitchell is just nowhere near their league. He's just a smalll time thug with health problems and with stupid storylines written for him.
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Old 26-12-2015, 21:27
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For some characters like rapist Dean on EE then yes I want his comeuppance and I want to see the back of his creepy ass. I agree too that we're not confused. To tell other people they are "confused" because they want characters they hate gone is a bit condescending. If I'm watching a gory film about a dad tearing a man who raped his daughter limb from limb then I'm glad the rapist gets killed in such a barbaric way. However I would root for the dad even if he is very violent and would want him to have a happy ending living a peaceful life with his family in the countryside near the sea
As for the soaps I think if a criminal is charming, funny, charismatic and hot like Ross or Charity in Emmerdale people will root for the characters even if they are criminals. If they're made to look creepy like Dean in Eastenders people will really hate them. I think Jane Beale is a great character and I'll be sorry to see her go. Yes she did something very bad but I think a lot of parents would empathise with Jane and root for her.
I personally like it when a character gets thier comeuppance as it can send them into a new direction and spawn new storylines for the characters involved. One of my favourite characters is Cain Dingle, but I loved Judgement Day for Cain because numerous new storylines was borne from it.

I agree about Dean. It's beyond time he got his comeuppance.
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Old 26-12-2015, 21:29
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I hate it when posters try and take the moral highground when it comes to characters like Deano and demand he goes but when "legends" like Phil are behaving in a scumbag manner it's all good. Phil is past it, finished, a joke and deserves to go. Up and coming characters deserve more of a chance.
And yet they bring in amazing new villains like Claudette and people are calling for her To go because she's nasty
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Old 26-12-2015, 22:33
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I love a badass & a villain as much as anybody but there needs to be layers to them & more than one facet to their character if they are going to be long term characters!! One of the most boring characters in soap to me is Tracy Barlow simply because she is so utterly one dimensional!!
I would happily lose her from Corrie tomorrow & replace her with a more rounded & interesting 'villainess'!!!!
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Old 26-12-2015, 22:36
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I see DTC has got himself an alias
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Old 26-12-2015, 22:40
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And yet they bring in amazing new villains like Claudette and people are calling for her To go because she's nasty
Claudette is one of the best things about EastEnders this year. Such an unlikely villainess. I hope she stays for a long time.
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Old 26-12-2015, 22:49
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I notice a frequent thing on these boards where posters seem to get confused.

Its ok to dislike a character in a soap. Some of them do despicable and redeemable things.

Ronnie gets a hard time on here for the baby snatch etc.

But why on EARTH would you call for these characters to go?

They are the foundation of the entertainment. Its ok i get that you would want nothing to do with them in real life but Eastenders needs the villains.

Jane Beale is a fascinating character, she did a terrible thing out of desperation to protect her child.

THAT is what we are here for. The complex characters.

Why keep saying things like 'she's evil she needs to go'

NO we need characters like that

Exactly. That's why I like Neighbours, because they recognise the importance of having a villain.

Paul Robinson for example has a nasty streak and is one of Neighbour's central characters.
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