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Old 26-12-2015, 22:07
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Not all closure has to be prison or death

Storylines can be wrapped up with the prospect of picking them up further down the line

Sending a charcter to prison means your asking for a character to leave potentially forever.

Why would you want that?

Why have Jane rotting away in Prison off screen for example when the storyline could continue in the background for the next decade, and then picked up later

I for one am interested in the dynamics of how the coverup will play out over the years. Its much more interesting seeing the effects on say Sharon and Ians friendship, Kathy and Phil etc

Keeping it going spawns a thousand other storylines

Ending it with Prison or death draws a line under it forever. And i don't want that.

Real life murder cases can go on for decades

If you want fast turn around storylines go and watch the ridiculous Hollyoaks
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Old 26-12-2015, 22:20
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lost interest in the storyline a very long time ago.... therefore the conclusion/closure is lost on me
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Old 26-12-2015, 22:20
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lost interest in the storyline a very long time ago.... therefore the conclusion/closure is lost on me
Well you have a very short attention span. A big problem amongst viewers these days
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Old 26-12-2015, 22:21
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I lost interest when Bobby was revealed as the killer.

I literally switched my TV off and haven't really tuned back in since.
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Old 26-12-2015, 22:26
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I lost interest when Bobby was revealed as the killer.

I literally switched my TV off and haven't really tuned back in since.
Because everyone convinced themselves that

1/ The killer would be revealed
2/ they would be arrested and get their comeuppance immediately

Which would have been bloody horrible.

Why end such a meaty storyline for the sake of sating a few fans who got annoyed that it didn't play by their conventions of how a storyline 'should' go

There are people so set in their ways that storylines should follow a formula that when they stray from what is expected it annoys people
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Old 26-12-2015, 22:26
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People are just rightly not happy that an innocent man is currently in jail and we are asked as an audience to feel sorry for the beales. Plus half the square knows and we just get the same scenes over and over again. Long storylines are fine, ridiculous twists and complete personality changes are not.
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Old 26-12-2015, 22:28
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Well you have a very short attention span. A big problem amongst viewers these days
yeah...... sorry..... I did try... honest lol
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Old 26-12-2015, 22:29
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Because everyone convinced themselves that

1/ The killer would be revealed
2/ they would be arrested and get their comeuppance immediately

Which would have been bloody horrible.

Why end such a meaty storyline for the sake of sating a few fans who got annoyed that it didn't play by their conventions of how a storyline 'should' go

There are people so set in their ways that storylines should follow a formula that when they stray from what is expected it annoys people
Are you talking to me or just generally pontificating?
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Old 26-12-2015, 22:30
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People are just rightly not happy that an innocent man is currently in jail and we are asked as an audience to feel sorry for the beales. Plus half the square knows and we just get the same scenes over and over again. Long storylines are fine, ridiculous twists and complete personality changes are not.
How do you know how the likes of Ian and jane would react to what happened to Lucy

No personality changes, just the same personality dealing with a very difficult situation.

They are being true to their characters

And people not being happy that an innocent man is in jail need to remember that its not real.

The bales are the heart of the show, and i feel desperately for Jane.

She's in an impossible situation. So they're writing it absolutely brilliantly for me
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Old 26-12-2015, 22:39
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People are just rightly not happy that an innocent man is currently in jail and we are asked as an audience to feel sorry for the beales. Plus half the square knows and we just get the same scenes over and over again. Long storylines are fine, ridiculous twists and complete personality changes are not.
This! Its not that its a long story, its that its unraveling is such a sensationalist manner and is damaging every character it touches. Just look at how many characters have covered for Bobby and how many times the secret has nearly come out... Its not a murder coverup anymore its just twists and turns that are unbelievable even for fictional characters. Don't get me wrong, I personally loved 'Who killed Lucy?' and after the reveal seeing the Beale's panic everytime there was a knock at the door... I also enjoyed the drama of the Max trail episodes and the Christmas episode, but by this Christmas episode I thought it had gone too far for the secret not to come out and then we have the boxing day episode... More hiding and silliness.

In 4 months time it'll be 2 years since Lucy died and that is fine by me at face value, its provided a lot of drama and brilliant scenes, but its also had twists and ridiculous character decisions too... So many characters finding out and saying nothing, all of Bobby's violent antics and his loved ones illegal actions could only go unpunished for so long and they are way beyond keeping a lid on their secret.
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Old 26-12-2015, 22:43
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This! Its not that its a long story, its that its unraveling is such a sensationalist manner and is damaging every character it touches. Just look at how many characters have covered for Bobby and how many times the secret has nearly come out... Its not a murder coverup anymore its just twists and turns that are unbelievable even for fictional characters. Don't get me wrong, I personally loved 'Who killed Lucy?' and after the reveal seeing the Beale's panic everytime there was a knock at the door... I also enjoyed the drama of the Max trail episodes and the Christmas episode, but by this Christmas episode I thought it had gone too far for the secret not to come out and then we have the boxing day episode... More hiding and silliness.

In 4 months time it'll be 2 years since Lucy died and that is fine by me at face value, its provided a lot of drama and brilliant scenes, but its also had twists and ridiculous character decisions too... So many characters finding out and saying nothing, all of Bobby's violent antics and his loved ones illegal actions could only go unpunished for so long and they are way beyond keeping a lid on their secret.
So what is the alternative

We have them go to the police and we lose Ian Jane Phil Kathy Peter all in one fell swoop

Congratulations 5 legacy characters rotting in prison off screen

But thats ok because its the morally right thing to do

I despair of some viewers
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Old 26-12-2015, 22:44
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How do you know how the likes of Ian and jane would react to what happened to Lucy

No personality changes, just the same personality dealing with a very difficult situation.

They are being true to their characters

And people not being happy that an innocent man is in jail need to remember that its not real.

The bales are the heart of the show, and i feel desperately for Jane.

She's in an impossible situation. So they're writing it absolutely brilliantly for me
Ian and Jane being in a difficult situation just doesn't come into it anymore. Cindy, Peter, Liam, Lauren, Kathy, Sharon, Phil, Denny, Max and Bobby himself all know. The fact none of them have said anything is crazy (or not been taken seriously when spilling the beans). I honestly believe people like Liam and Sharon wouldn't just shrug their shoulders over the fact their neighbor is hiding a murder and letting a man serve a heavy prison sentence... The characters aren't carrying the story, the story is crushing the characters.
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Old 26-12-2015, 22:44
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It isn't actually the fact that Bobby hasn't been punished that bothers me so much, its more that too many characters (and good ones at that) know the truth which has ruined them as characters, Sharon would never let an innocent man go to prison, she never had anything against Max at all and is not true to her character, Lauren is Max's daughter and again would never allow her dad to rot in prison knowing the truth. Liam would never have lied to Carol and make her think her own brother was a killer. Basically as soon as Max was found guilty this story went to the dogs, Max should have been freed and then left Walford with Carol to go travelling, there wasn't a need for Max to escape prison just to add to the drama.

The Beales would say that Bobby is family and they would protect him so why isn't Ian or Jane facing prison?, seeing one of them, preferably Jane spend time inside would have been a far better conclusion to the whole story. As much as I like Jane I think with Kathy back Jane isn't as needed at the moment so seeing Jane spend a year inside for shall we say manslaughter (can't remember what Max was charged with now, I don't think it was murder) would have been far more satisfactory. Then when Jane is released it would have been far more interesting to see her trying to readjust to Walford again, meeting Kathy, seeing how Kathy has become the main women of the Beale household and of course facing the local gossips. Though Kathy now feels like she has never really been away I think having Jane in prison would have meant Ian depending on his mum even more and make him even more thankful to have her back in his life.
Of course it would mean Laurie Brett having some time off but to be honest that shouldn't matter as the story should come first, we could still have Jane make appearances through prison visits etc.
I'm not sure once Max is back what will happen, he will want revenge but I still fear that he will accept it and just let the Beales get away with the crime.
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Old 26-12-2015, 22:46
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Ian and Jane being in a difficult situation just doesn't come into it anymore. Cindy, Peter, Liam, Lauren, Kathy, Sharon, Phil, Denny, Max and Bobby himself all know. The fact none of them have said anything is crazy (or not been taken seriously when spilling the beans). I honestly believe people like Liam and Sharon wouldn't just shrug their shoulders over the fact their neighbor is hiding a murder and letting a man serve a heavy prison sentence... The characters aren't carrying the story, the story is crushing the characters.
They all HATE Max

They love Bobby, Sharon loves Ian

She doesn't want to destroy her best friends family

at least that is how it started

Now she's in too deep to say anything without damaging her own family
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Old 26-12-2015, 22:54
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So what is the alternative

We have them go to the police and we lose Ian Jane Phil Kathy Peter all in one fell swoop

Congratulations 5 legacy characters rotting in prison off screen

But thats ok because its the morally right thing to do

I despair of some viewers
You are missing the point, its not that its 'morally right' that I can't get my head around. Its that so many characters have found out and said nothing. Its just bordering on the ridiculous that people like Sharon and Liam would suddenly lose their 'good' moral ground and characteristics all because 'legacy' characters have committed a serious crime. Like I've said, the characters aren't carrying the storyline, they are being destroyed by it. Ian and Jane are protecting their son, fair enough. Peter is protecting his brother, fair enough. Cindy is doing what exactly, disappearing but sending an email to Bobby, if shes that worried why not just go to the police herself? Not fair enough. Liam letting his 'uncle Max' rot and pissing off to Germany, not fair enough. Sharon keeping her mouth shut when her young son has the sh*t beat out of him by Bobby and is then thrown from a rolling car by Bobby's father (so she's been led to believe) and she keeps her mouth shut too? Not fair enough, bloody ridiculous infact. It just wouldn't happen.
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Old 26-12-2015, 22:56
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The glimpse we got of the boarding school they're sending him to gave the impression it was one of the more "exclusive" schools.

Putting aside (or not) that most independent schools are picky who they take and you have to pass an entrance exam (they don't take any old duffers, they want clever and gifted children) and an interview (to see if they like you and you'll fit in) the beales will have to stump up and pay.

With the average boarding school now £26,500 a year plus extras, and the one we saw looked considerably more than "average" so I'd guess around £30,000 plus compulsory extras how do the beales intend to find I'd say an extra £35,000 a year to fund this as they aren't exactly rich.
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Old 26-12-2015, 22:56
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Well you have a very short attention span. A big problem amongst viewers these days
definitely, hence why Hollyoaks turned into a steaming pile of shite, Kirkwood actually acknowledged that the type of viewer the show gets have short attention spans.
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Old 26-12-2015, 22:57
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I'm Sure the Storyline will eventually get revisited
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Old 26-12-2015, 22:57
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You are missing the point, its not that its 'morally right' that I can't get my head around. Its that so many characters have found out and said nothing. Its just bordering on the ridiculous that people like Sharon and Liam would suddenly lose their 'good' moral ground and characteristics all because 'legacy' characters have committed a serious crime. Like I've said, the characters aren't carrying the storyline, they are being destroyed by it. Ian and Jane are protecting their son, fair enough. Peter is protecting his brother, fair enough. Cindy is doing what exactly, disappearing but sending an email to Bobby, if shes that worried why not just go to the police herself? Not fair enough. Liam letting his 'uncle Max' rot and pissing off to Germany, not fair enough. Sharon keeping her mouth shut when her young son has the sh*t beat out of him by Bobby and is then thrown from a rolling car by Bobby's father (so she's been led to believe) and she keeps her mouth shut too? Not fair enough, bloody ridiculous infact. It just wouldn't happen.
Sharon started off protecting Ian

She didn't want to destroy her best friends family

now they've fallen out she's too far in to reveal the secret for threat of it destroying her own family. She's now Protecting Denny

The only mis step they've had is Liam

But he's doing it out of loyalty to Cindy
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Old 26-12-2015, 23:03
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A secret like this, is toxic and of course it's going to poison anyone it affects.

Max sent to prison
Jane losing her son
Ian sacrificing his friendship to Sharon and actually covering up for her alcoholic husband, who is responsible for her son now fighting for his life in hospital, following a road accident.

Max Branning is due to return to EastEnders next year, so at some point the story will be revisited I'm sure.

For now, I am glad for it to be put to the backburner for a long time.
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Old 26-12-2015, 23:03
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They all HATE Max

They love Bobby, Sharon loves Ian

She doesn't want to destroy her best friends family

at least that is how it started

Now she's in too deep to say anything without damaging her own family
BIB: I'd argue only Ian, Jane and Peter love Bobby. Cindy was driven away after being attacked by Bobby and she tried to reveal to him he killed Lucy, she doesn't love him and she wasn't prepared to cover for him... Yet has anyway. Lauren may be related to him through Louie, but that is her father in jail, she chose her side but way too late... Now she's swanned off back to Peter. Phil only gives a damn about anyone when it suits him, there's no way he ever cared all that much about Bobby, he shopped in his own son when he believed he killed Lucy... But won't tell the police when finding out it was Ian's son that did it... What. The. F*@!. Sharon, in the beginning yes, she would have kept quiet for Ian... But would she really let an innocent man rot in jail and even after her son was physically traumatized by the Beales, STILL say nothing? There's no proof she's known for a long time, she could easily say she overheard a conversation Jane was having very recently to tip off the police. I've said in the past I've loved the 'Who killed Lucy?' plot but such a large selection of characters have kept their mouths shut in such an unbelievable manner that I simple cannot swallow that this isn't at the point of being far fetched and disregarding characters personalities and common sense.
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Old 26-12-2015, 23:09
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BIB: I'd argue only Ian, Jane and Peter love Bobby. Cindy was driven away after being attacked by Bobby and she tried to reveal to him he killed Lucy, she doesn't love him and she wasn't prepared to cover for him... Yet has anyway. Lauren may be related to him through Louie, but that is her father in jail, she chose her side but way too late... Now she's swanned off back to Peter. Phil only gives a damn about anyone when it suits him, there's no way he ever cared all that much about Bobby, he shopped in his own son when he believed he killed Lucy... But won't tell the police when finding out it was Ian's son that did it... What. The. F*@!. Sharon, in the beginning yes, she would have kept quiet for Ian... But would she really let an innocent man rot in jail and even after her son was physically traumatized by the Beales, STILL say nothing? There's no proof she's known for a long time, she could easily say she overheard a conversation Jane was having very recently to tip off the police. I've said in the past I've loved the 'Who killed Lucy?' plot but such a large selection of characters have kept their mouths shut in such an unbelievable manner that I simple cannot swallow that this isn't at the point of being far fetched and disregarding characters personalities and common sense.
Ian - Loved Bobby and wanted to protect him

Jane - as above

Peter - as above

Lauren - loves Peter and wants to protect the father of her child

Cindy - agreed to cover initially out of a need to be included in the family. She felt like she belonged. By the time she was ready to reveal it she was too far into it to escape punishment and cowards out. Instead getting back at Ian and Jane by sending the email.

Liam - out of Loyalty to Cindy

Sharon - wanted to protect Ian and didn't want to destroy her best mates family. Since Her friendship with Ian broke down she's now wanting to protect herself, Phil and Denny from the consequences

Phil - Started out wanting to protect Sharon after she agreed to keep schtum. Now he's looking after number one
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Old 26-12-2015, 23:37
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So they all have a perfectly valid motive to cover up the crime
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Old 26-12-2015, 23:38
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Ian - Loved Bobby and wanted to protect him

Jane - as above

Peter - as above

Lauren - loves Peter and wants to protect the father of her child

Cindy - agreed to cover initially out of a need to be included in the family. She felt like she belonged. By the time she was ready to reveal it she was too far into it to escape punishment and cowards out. Instead getting back at Ian and Jane by sending the email.

Liam - out of Loyalty to Cindy

Sharon - wanted to protect Ian and didn't want to destroy her best mates family. Since Her friendship with Ian broke down she's now wanting to protect herself, Phil and Denny from the consequences

Phil - Started out wanting to protect Sharon after she agreed to keep schtum. Now he's looking after number one
Liam's loyalties would always have been with Carol over Cindy, so I can't swallow that. If Cindy was so worried about punishment then why would she make video evidence of her knowledge that Bobby killed Lucy? She is more danger with the law by sending that video than she ever was before since it would be her word against Ian and Janes as to when she found out about Bobby... She could have reported him easily, claiming to have only just found out. The same concept goes for Sharon, there's no solid proof she has known for a long time and since events caused by the Beales put her son in hospital (apart from Phil driving which Sharon doesn't know) would she STILL cover for him? Phil never respects Sharon's wishes, shopped in his own son, but when he finds out Squeal Beales son is the culprit he suddenly respects Sharon's wishes and shuts his mouth? ... I'm afraid we will have to agree to disagree on this matter because I just can't swallow that all of these characters are suddenly the kind of people that would cover a murder when that's just not what they would do before the storyline required it.
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Old 26-12-2015, 23:48
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I just wish someone would think about poor Max.
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