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Old 27-12-2015, 12:34
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On one hand Ronnie got him locked in car accidentally but I believe she did only mean to scare Vincent. And then Claudette who purposely made Arthur drive to get ice as she knew there was ice in the Albert and was then gone all Christmas Day
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Old 27-12-2015, 12:54
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Id say Claudette
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Old 27-12-2015, 13:00
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Why would Claudette want to kill Arthur?
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Old 27-12-2015, 13:00
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Old 27-12-2015, 13:08
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how about the fact that Ronnie called the person and said that it was time and then got a text saying it had been done from that person?
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Old 27-12-2015, 13:26
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The most likely scenario that satisfies all the known facts as they have been given to us via DTC and what has been broadcast is the following:

1) We know of Ronnie's plan: she claimed it wasn't to kill Vincent. But to have him tied, gagged, placed in the boot, stored in the Arches then sent over to the scrapyard for "scaring" but not to die. However this did involve being bound and gagged for nearly 24 hours from Christmas Eve to the Evening of Christmas Day.

2) Claudette was suspicious of Ronnie's claim that the bar had run out of ice because she saw evidence that there was plenty of ice in the bar and saw that Ronnie was on the phone making plans.

3) Vincent and it seems Claudette were both about to get into Vincent's car to get the ice, but Fatboy came along and delivered his little speech to Vincent. Then Fatboy was heading off to Walford Train Station.

4) We know from subsequent conversation that at this point Claudette told Vincent she would go to get the ice herself - so Vincent handed Claudette the keys.

5) We know also from subsequent conversation that according to Claudette Fatboy was keen on carrying out the errand for Vincent. This is probably a distortion of the truth: most likely Claudette stopped Fatboy near to the station and asked him to run an errand - he would get to drive the sports car, she may have offered him money, or may have said she would talk to Vincent to sort out their disagreement. It seems like Claudette took the opportunity to pass on what she believed to be a risk to Fatboy because of her suspicion of what Ronnie may or may not have been planning.

6) So Fatboy is running the errand and Ronnie's thugs are following the car perhaps starting from in or around Walford square or they may have planted a tracker device on the car. Anyway everything then goes according to Ronnie's plan except the male driver is Fatboy and not Vincent and Ronnie only instructed the thugs to get the driver of the car. This is Christmas Eve.

7) At some point between Ronnie threatening the person in the boot (Christmas day) and the car being taken to the Scrapyard Fatboy dies. DTC has already planted an earlier story that explains Fatboy has a childhood phobia of being confined in a small space. This together with the fact he was bound and gagged for nearly 24 hours plus the threats resulted in Fatboy having a heart attack or choking to death,

8) At the scrapyard when the thugs unlocked the boot in order to make their threats and then warnings they discovered the person inside to be dead.

9) They then decided to get rid of the evidence by preparing to crush the vehicle.

10) Step in Vincent - he opens the now unlocked car boot (remember he doesn't have the key) and sees fatboy dead.

11) Vincent himself then gets rid of the evidence. He first takes the necklace off of him and then he himself puts the car in the crusher.

This fits all the facts and requires the least in way of speculation. It is very unlikely you are going to get anything more from DTC by way of explanation as he has succeeded in axing the Fatboy character and he used it to complete his "Who Is Going To Get Killed on Christmas Day" Christmas Special - he had already put out spoilers that someone was going to die.

So that's it. Note that during the Christmas period DTC created a whole new set of storylines which will now occupy you and distract you from any befuddlements you may have regarding the axing of Fatboy.

My issue with DTC is how convoluted his storylines get. Every story seems to be a convolution and I don't think I have the will or the time to keep up with them all. So my new years resolution is to stop watching EE.
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Old 27-12-2015, 14:01
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Claudette may have wanted it to continue the war against the Mitchell's but Ronnie organised it all to begin with so I'd say it's more Ronnie than Claudette
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Old 27-12-2015, 14:23
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Both are to blame


but I'd say Ronnie more.

She's the one who intended for someone to die. Claudette got wind of it and played it to her advantage.

Had Ronnie not taken the law into her own hands this wouldn't have happened.

Put it this way, if Claudette had not interfered, Vincent would have died.

Bottom line - someone would have died at the hands of Ronnie, interference from Claudette or not.
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Old 27-12-2015, 14:25
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If Ronnie is to believed she never intended to kill Vincent so how on earth can Claudette who knew even less about the plan be responsible. We do know Ronnie wanted Vincent scared to the degree he'd no longer be any threat. We also know Ronnie has plenty of form for this EG frightening Charlie away from his home, his life, his Gran and his only son. We also know that Fatboy died as a result of the violence Ronnie set on motion so she is the one to blame but sadly like all Mitchells she will get away with it and be excused
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Old 27-12-2015, 15:33
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Why would Claudette want to kill Arthur?
She probably didn't realise that Ronnie was going to kill Vincent - just scare him. She noticed that some people had a lot of ice, when Ronnie said it had all finished, and saw Ronnie make a phone call after Vincent left. Since Claudette knew something was strange, she asked Fatboy to get the ice for them (although I'm not sure how since Fatboy would surely be on his way out of Walford by then?)
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Old 27-12-2015, 15:35
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Old 27-12-2015, 15:39
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Even if Claudette didn't know the 'plan' she knew something was happening. Their reactions were totally different too. Ronnie was devastated at the thought of an innocent person's death and Claudette didn't give a damn when she was told about Arthur.

They were both responsible in my book.
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Old 27-12-2015, 15:46
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MinaH - perfect explanation of the events!
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Old 27-12-2015, 15:52
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Old 27-12-2015, 15:57
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I must admit, I do like how this has turned around to be Claudette's manipulation.
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Old 27-12-2015, 15:57
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Makes as much sense as blaming it on Claudette

As long as Ronnie never takes the blame or has to pay the price for anything seems to be the mantra at EE.
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Old 27-12-2015, 16:02
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Is the car just going to proceed and be crushed now it's currently left hanging ?
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Old 27-12-2015, 16:03
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Is the car just going to proceed and be crushed now it's currently left hanging ?
I thought Vincent crushed it?
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Old 27-12-2015, 16:04
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Is the car just going to proceed and be crushed now it's currently left hanging ?
It wasn't left hanging. We saw the claw after that and it was empty while Vincent was stepping down from the machine. He either finished the job or just dumped it on the pile half-crushed.
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Old 27-12-2015, 16:10
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Makes as much sense as blaming it on Claudette

As long as Ronnie never takes the blame or has to pay the price for anything seems to be the mantra at EE.
I don't think she will be getting away with this one, the balance has tipped back into Claudette's favour, she knows that Ronnie's actions have caused Fatboy to suffer a gruesome death, Ronnie thinks it is all over and no one was hurt.

As deranged as Ronnie is at times the people she has hurt have been a threat to her or her family, Fatboy on the other hand put himself in danger to help Ronnie. He was the one who tipped her off about Vincent's plans, he saved Phil from possible death a few days ago, he knew Vincent could be just as dangerous but he was still the only person in recent weeks who was prepared to help Ronnie protect her family and stop the feud getting out of control, she will be devastated when she learns the truth and I think at some point Claudette will make sure she knows every gory detail
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Old 27-12-2015, 16:12
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It wasn't left hanging. We saw the claw after that and it was empty while Vincent was stepping down from the machine. He either finished the job or just dumped it on the pile half-crushed.
Fair enough wasn't paying attention to that bit
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Old 27-12-2015, 16:23
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I don't think she will be getting away with this one, the balance has tipped back into Claudette's favour, she knows that Ronnie's actions have caused Fatboy to suffer a gruesome death, Ronnie thinks it is all over and no one was hurt.

As deranged as Ronnie is at times the people she has hurt have been a threat to her or her family, Fatboy on the other hand put himself in danger to help Ronnie. He was the one who tipped her off about Vincent's plans, he saved Phil from possible death a few days ago, he knew Vincent could be just as dangerous but he was still the only person in recent weeks who was prepared to help Ronnie protect her family and stop the feud getting out of control, she will be devastated when she learns the truth and I think at some point Claudette will make sure she knows every gory detail
So she's sorry because someone on her side died as a result of her actions. Well I can agree with this as I don't believe for a moment Ronnie does guilt in the way normal people would. Anyway what threat was Charlie other than to offer their son a more stable home where his main parent wouldn't be leaving him with all and sundry whilst they were engaging in gangster type activities.

As an aside this is one thing that has always really annoyed me about the Mitchells, they commit violence, threats and murder even on anyone in the family's way, all in the name of supposedly alleviating a perceived risk against their family but seem to have no concept that others may want to protect their family and or that their actions can have dire consequences sometimes against themselves.

Emotionally and intellectually it's like they've never grown up. They just grunt and throw a punch and get all upset and stroppy if it doesn't immediately go their way and everyone bows down to them.
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Old 27-12-2015, 16:32
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Ronnie killed him. These silly theories going around that Claudette somehow managed to organise everything and have him killed in a matter of minutes is so ridiculous and full of holes. Hopefully the writers would do the right thing and not listen to them.
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Old 27-12-2015, 16:35
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So she's sorry because someone on her side died as a result of her actions. Well I can agree with this as I don't believe for a moment Ronnie does guilt in the way normal people would. Anyway what threat was Charlie other than to offer their son a more stable home where his main parent wouldn't be leaving him with all and sundry whilst they were engaging in gangster type activities.

As an aside this is one thing that has always really annoyed me about the Mitchells, they commit violence, threats and murder even on anyone in the family's way, all in the name of supposedly alleviating a perceived risk against their family but seem to have no concept that others may want to protect their family and or that their actions can have dire consequences sometimes against themselves.

Emotionally and intellectually it's like they've never grown up. They just grunt and throw a punch and get all upset and stroppy if it doesn't immediately go their way and everyone bows down to them.
I agree with all of this, however in Ronnie's mind Charlie was a threat, he was disloyal by sleeping with Roxy while Ronnie was barely alive in hospital, all trust has now gone for her and she doesn't see him as a worthy father for Matthew, whereas most normal people would separate, make reasonable custody arrangement and move on Ronnie is incapable of seeing someone else's point of view, she is able to justify (in her mind at least) all of her wrong doing

With Fatboy though I do think it will be different he wasn't on Ronnie's side entirely, he was trying to protect Vincent from himself also, he was as many people have said here a 'good person' Ronnie will never be able to justify his death to herself or anyone else and even if Claudette has somehow manipulated the situation to get him into the car instead of herself or Vincent, the end result was because of Ronnie's actions, how is she going to live with that? Something surely will have to change with Ronnie when she finds out the truth

Maybe we will see that Fatboy was sacrificed to save Ronnie?

(Personally I would have sacrificed Ronnie to save Fatboy but heigh ho!)
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Old 27-12-2015, 16:39
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I bet Claudette sneakily crushed Fatboy with those ample melons right before the car was taken away.
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