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Old 10-01-2016, 19:45
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Here comes the equal prize money debate
Maybe not equal but a lot more than 12 grand for the womens winner. 25 grand at least.
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Old 10-01-2016, 19:45
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That is an exaggeration, they aren't that bad. Both averaging just under 90. That said there has only even been one winner with a below average of 90 since 2004 and that was..................Scott Waites in 2013
It's bad.

To not even get in the 90's is poor. They'd have both been destroyed in the PDC and I like both organisations.

Keita Ono and Aleksandr Orishkin had higher averagesin their PDC qualifiers. than Waites or Smith tonight.
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Old 10-01-2016, 19:46
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Do you think Jeff Smith looks a bit like Phil Nixon

Only if you're wearing a balaclava the wrong way round, gaffa tape over your eyes and dark glasses, whilst facing the wrong way.

Bob Potters wife is a bit of alright

Oh, it appears you are
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Old 10-01-2016, 19:48
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What the hell was that all about? What a dick Waites is.
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Old 10-01-2016, 19:49
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It's bad.

To not even get in the 90's is poor. They'd have both been destroyed in the PDC and I like both organisations.

Keita Ono and Aleksandr Orishkin had higher averagesin their PDC qualifiers. than Waites or Smith tonight.
And they played less than 10 legs not 8 sets. And it wasn't a final. If you think Scott Waites wouldn't have beaten those two I would wager as much as you like he would. You do not know they would have been destroyed because it is a totally different scenario. For one you can only beat what your opponent is doing. Secondly this was a final not a prelim match.

I am not for one minute saying the standard is better because it clearly isn't but the fact that Scott Waites has beaten the best in the PDC before shows it is on the day and not on Wikipedia.
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Old 10-01-2016, 19:49
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Poor show by the BBC, that. Start 45 minutes after BT Sport and it's now gone off and BT Sport is still scheduled to show the programme till 8:30pm. Thank god the whole tournament is on BT Sport next year (unless these rumours about it being the last Lakeside are true!)
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Old 10-01-2016, 19:49
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Waites laying into Bobby a bit there
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Old 10-01-2016, 19:51
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I'd welcome more money for the women along with more sets. A 3 set final is a disgrace imho.
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Old 10-01-2016, 19:55
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Poor show by the BBC, that. Start 45 minutes after BT Sport and it's now gone off and BT Sport is still scheduled to show the programme till 8:30pm. Thank god the whole tournament is on BT Sport next year (unless these rumours about it being the last Lakeside are true!)
The ONLY reason BT started early was ad breaks. They had only two breaks during the match. That is why it started earlier. Plus, what else is there to show ? Game over, presentation done, both players interviewed, analysis done.
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Old 10-01-2016, 19:55
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A very poor tournament if truth be told and a poor final.

Hopefully we see an improvement in standards all round next year.
I wouldn't hold your breath.

There is still a strange kind of charm about the Lakeside and this tournament though.
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Old 10-01-2016, 19:56
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I'd welcome more money for the women along with more sets. A 3 set final is a disgrace imho.
It is best of 5. You obviously weren't watching.
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Old 10-01-2016, 19:56
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I'd welcome more money for the women along with more sets. A 3 set final is a disgrace imho.
It's not it's a 5 set final yesterday proved best of 5 sets is the right format for the women
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Old 10-01-2016, 19:58
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Poor show by the BBC, that. Start 45 minutes after BT Sport and it's now gone off and BT Sport is still scheduled to show the programme till 8:30pm. Thank god the whole tournament is on BT Sport next year (unless these rumours about it being the last Lakeside are true!)
Not that great if you haven't got BT though.
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Old 10-01-2016, 20:00
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The ONLY reason BT started early was ad breaks. They had only two breaks during the match. That is why it started earlier. Plus, what else is there to show ? Game over, presentation done, both players interviewed, analysis done.
Absolutely.
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Old 10-01-2016, 20:00
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It's not it's a 5 set final yesterday proved best of 5 sets is the right format for the women
First to 3 tho isn't it? That's what I meant. Compared to 7 for the men. Why can't the women go to 5?
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Old 10-01-2016, 20:04
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And they played less than 10 legs not 8 sets. And it wasn't a final. If you think Scott Waites wouldn't have beaten those two I would wager as much as you like he would. You do not know they would have been destroyed because it is a totally different scenario. For one you can only beat what your opponent is doing. Secondly this was a final not a prelim match.

I am not for one minute saying the standard is better because it clearly isn't but the fact that Scott Waites has beaten the best in the PDC before shows it is on the day and not on Wikipedia.
It was kind of the point I was making - it may be less legs/sets but this was a FINAL. I would expect any final to be better than tonights really poor showing. I just wonder how long the BDO has left. Run by dinosaurs, commentated on by dinosaurs and I wonder in the day and age of the PC getting bigger and bigger, whether the BDO has a long future.

I'm not doubting Waites is a decent player on his day, tonight he wasn't that special after the first 3 sets.

And before you start the Wikipedia and thinking you know more because you have interviewed someone, i've been to many PDC and BDO events, so don't try the you know nothing card with me. I know enough, I just don't need to name drop to justify my opinions.
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Old 10-01-2016, 20:07
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I'd welcome more money for the women along with more sets. A 3 set final is a disgrace imho.
To earn equal money I think you need to (potentially) play equal sets and matches.

£12k isn't a bad return for 4 matches and potentially 14 sets of darts although I wouldn't begrudge a few thousand more to the ladies.
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Old 10-01-2016, 20:09
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I wouldn't hold your breath.

There is still a strange kind of charm about the Lakeside and this tournament though.
We have some decent enough Lakeside tournaments but this was a particularly bad one, you could just tell the standard was poor throughout.
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Old 10-01-2016, 20:10
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To earn equal money I think you need to (potentially) play equal sets and matches.

£12k isn't a bad return for 4 matches and potentially 14 sets of darts although I wouldn't begrudge a few thousand more to the ladies.
Not necessarily. The female tennis players play fewer sets than the men but get equal prize money. I'm not saying it should be equal with the men for darts but 12 grand is a bit paltry.
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Old 10-01-2016, 20:11
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We have some decent enough Lakeside tournaments but this was a particularly bad one, you could just tell the standard was poor throughout.
Wasn't the best but that still won't stop me from watching it next year (should it still be going). I watch it because I like darts, unlike some who watch the full thing just to rip the p**s out of it. Never understood that....
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Old 10-01-2016, 20:13
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Not necessarily. The female tennis players play fewer sets than the men but get equal prize money. I'm not saying it should be equal with the men for darts but 12 grand is a bit paltry.
I don't think the females should get equal money in Tennis in events where they play the best of less sets.

I'm all for them having the money, but they must potentially play that amount of tennis. They are good athletes these days and i'm sure they could play for longer if required.

I wouldn't argue with 20-25k but then does the ladies game get the same sponsorship deals as the men?
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Old 10-01-2016, 20:17
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What on earth is Bobby George wearing
I was thinking that myself

With regards to the comments about prize money - yes, the females should get paid a bit more. Not as much as the males, because the males do far more sets, but 12k is a bit low. For comparison, the winner of the Juniors got 5k (I watched the Juniors final match earlier on in the week.)
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Old 10-01-2016, 20:17
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I don't think the females should get equal money in Tennis in events where they play the best of less sets.

I'm all for them having the money, but they must potentially play that amount of tennis. They are good athletes these days and i'm sure they could play for longer if required.

I wouldn't argue with 20-25k but then does the ladies game get the same sponsorship deals as the men?
Probably not but they still have to train as hard as the men and surely the box office takings and fees they get from sponsors, BT Sports and the BBC should be enough to pay the winner more than 12 grand. It seems a bit of an insult that the mens runner up got 3 times more than Gulliver when he only won 1 set.
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Old 10-01-2016, 20:17
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I don't think the females should get equal money in Tennis in events where they play the best of less sets.

I'm all for them having the money, but they must potentially play that amount of tennis. They are good athletes these days and i'm sure they could play for longer if required.

I wouldn't argue with 20-25k but then does the ladies game get the same sponsorship deals as the men?
Likewise - if the females are to be paid the same, they should play the same amount. A bit off topic I know but you should be paid for the amount of sets played.
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Old 10-01-2016, 20:20
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Not necessarily. The female tennis players play fewer sets than the men but get equal prize money. I'm not saying it should be equal with the men for darts but 12 grand is a bit paltry.
I actually think women tennis players should get equal money because more often than not they are the pull. In darts, nobody buys tickets to watch the ladies game do they ? Lets be honest. If it was the ladies final on its own on a day it wouldn't be an attraction.
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