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Old 27-12-2015, 14:00
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After last nights episode, where Vincent covered up Ronnie having Fatboy kidnapped and killed, Ian covered up Phil's drink driving accident and Phil continued to conspire with the Booby's murder (and multiple characters continue to have Max incarcerated for a crime he didn't commit) it seems pretty much everybody in the Square is now involved in some sort of crime/cover-up.

Getting kind of ridiculous now I think. We need to have some of these "crimes" resolved and people facing consequences for what they've done (though it would probably mean sending half the Square to jail)

DTC started very well but not at all impressed with the direction EE has taken recently...
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Old 27-12-2015, 14:47
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Covering up or involved in crimes:

Carl's murder:

Phil
Ronnie
Sharon
Roxy
Dean
Vincent

Who shot Phil:

Phil
Shirley
Sharon
Ronnie
Jay
Ben
Mick
Linda

Lucy's murder:

Ian
Jane
Peter
Sharon
Phil
Cindy
Liam
Kathy

Phil's bribery of the Jury:

Phil
Sharon

Phil's drink driving:

Phil
Ian

Fatboy's murder:

Vincent
Claudette
Unknown thugs
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Old 27-12-2015, 14:48
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And which name keeps appearing in that list again and again...?
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Old 27-12-2015, 14:57
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Agree with vald's list but Shirley knows Ronnie killed Carl. Also she knows Phil covered up Heather's death and hasn't reported him to the police.

Ronnie is responsible for Fatboy's death too.
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Old 27-12-2015, 15:08
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That's the main problem that I have with the show at the moment, that most of the characters moral compass's seem completely broken. There's far too many people who aren't facing consequences for their actions.

The Bobby Beale situation can't be resolved satisfactorily without locking up half the square. No one even mentions poor Max rotting away in prison for a crime that he didn't commit, even members of his own family.

I didn't have much time for Fatboy but he was one of the few characters who could be trusted to do the "right thing" and look what happened to him.
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Old 27-12-2015, 15:15
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Agree with vald's list but Shirley knows Ronnie killed Carl. Also she knows Phil covered up Heather's death and hasn't reported him to the police.

Ronnie is responsible for Fatboy's death too.
I didn't realize that...thanks.

She would never grass on Phil whatever he did...and visa versa.
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Old 27-12-2015, 15:18
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After last nights episode, where Vincent covered up Ronnie having Fatboy kidnapped and killed, Ian covered up Phil's drink driving accident and Phil continued to conspire with the Booby's murder (and multiple characters continue to have Max incarcerated for a crime he didn't commit) it seems pretty much everybody in the Square is now involved in some sort of crime/cover-up.

Getting kind of ridiculous now I think. We need to have some of these "crimes" resolved and people facing consequences for what they've done (though it would probably mean sending half the Square to jail)

DTC started very well but not at all impressed with the direction EE has taken recently...
I agree. I daresay we need some love and warmth. I don't mind flawed characters but repetitive criminality doesn't work in a show like EE if you spread it across all the main characters.
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Old 27-12-2015, 15:22
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I agree. I daresay we need some love and warmth. I don't mind flawed characters but repetitive criminality doesn't work in a show like EE if you spread it across all the main characters.
Hush your mouth.

Maybe the new set is going to be one big prison and they're in the process of identifying the inmates...that's why they're axing all the nice folk.
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Old 27-12-2015, 15:25
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Hush your mouth.

Maybe the new set is going to be one big prison and they're in the process of identifying the inmates...that's why they're axing all the nice folk.
The final episode will reveal they were in Purgatory all along.
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Old 27-12-2015, 15:28
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The final episode will reveal they were in Purgatory all along.
Eastenders meets Ashes to Ashes.
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Old 27-12-2015, 15:28
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Agree with vald's list but Shirley knows Ronnie killed Carl.
I remember Shirley wondering where Carl had gone and was saying cryptic comments to Phil. Phil told her that Carl was sorted about wouldn't come back. However did she ever actually find out what happened to Carl? I don't seem to remember her being told it specifically that he was dead and Ronnie killed him, but I may be wrong.
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Old 27-12-2015, 15:31
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I remember Shirley wondering where Carl had gone and was saying cryptic comments to Phil. Phil told her that Carl was sorted about wouldn't come back. However did she ever actually find out what happened to Carl? I don't seem to remember her being told it specifically that he was dead and Ronnie killed him, but I may be wrong.
There was an episode with Sharon, Shirley and Ronnie where she revealed why she killed him.
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Old 27-12-2015, 15:31
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It's like an east end version of How To Get Away With Murder. Anyone who has seen that show will know what i mean
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Old 27-12-2015, 15:37
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Totally agree with you OP. We know that crimes happen in real life and the perpetrators sometimes get away with it but the level of cover ups on EE is just ridiculous. DTC and his pet Lamb have gone overboard and it needs to be stopped.

Adding to the list above, Jane and Ian also know that Phil bribed the jury foreman. We also have sharon covering for her father who is wanted in connection with taking his own death in an insurance scam. He is also the guy that abducted her husband Phil and turned him back into an alcoholic yet despite all this she still persists in texting him and calling him 'dad' rather than turning him into the police. Kat,Mick and stacey (at the very least) know Alfie is an arsonist.

Ian and Sharon were also part of the group that wanted to cover up dot's involvement in nick's death.

And when people do actually go to the police, either the police are corrupt (Lauren telling them bobby killed Lucy) there's no evidence (roxy telling them Ronnie killed Carl, Dean raping linda) or they are given stupid sentences (Kathy pretty much getting a slap on the wrist). Stacey faced up to her crime of killing archie before deciding she wanted out and used her bi polar as an excuse.

It's no wonder that ee is filling up with criminals and gangsters again, there's no better place to commit a crime and totally get away with it.
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Old 27-12-2015, 15:40
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There was an episode with Sharon, Shirley and Ronnie where she revealed why she killed him.
Wow I can't believe I don't remember this. I just read that on 7th March 2014, Sharon’s horrified when Shirley reveals she knows Ronnie killed Carl because she helped Phil clear out Carl’s flat. They both confront Ronnie.

Also Ronnie, Roxy and Phil are the only ones to know about Lexi's kidnap, which her mum Lola never even found out.
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Old 27-12-2015, 15:55
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People get away with and cover up crimes all the time, the issue is that viewers find it difficult to accept. It's not TPTB problem it's ours. Thanks
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Old 27-12-2015, 16:17
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I agree with this the square is just a load scummy criminals at moment. It's what has made all the moaning on here about Dean not being punished quick enough so odd. It was just par for course with EE not anything out of ordinary. At least we know he will be punished where others just get away with their crimes long term.
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Old 27-12-2015, 16:28
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I don't mind some cover ups, but some particular. Characters just continuously get away with murder, Ronnie, Phil and Ian in particular. And they aren't realistic either.
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Old 27-12-2015, 16:30
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I agree with this the square is just a load scummy criminals at moment. It's what has made all the moaning on here about Dean not being punished quick enough so odd. It was just par for course with EE not anything out of ordinary. At least we know he will be punished where others just get away with their crimes long term.
Not really though. Rape is treated differently in real life and on TV. It's not something that happens as frequently as murder in soaps.
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Old 27-12-2015, 17:03
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After last nights episode, where Vincent covered up Ronnie having Fatboy kidnapped and killed, Ian covered up Phil's drink driving accident and Phil continued to conspire with the Booby's murder (and multiple characters continue to have Max incarcerated for a crime he didn't commit) it seems pretty much everybody in the Square is now involved in some sort of crime/cover-up.

Getting kind of ridiculous now I think. We need to have some of these "crimes" resolved and people facing consequences for what they've done (though it would probably mean sending half the Square to jail)

DTC started very well but not at all impressed with the direction EE has taken recently...
Totally agree, been thinking it's getting too much now.
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Old 27-12-2015, 19:39
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Not really though. Rape is treated differently in real life and on TV. It's not something that happens as frequently as murder in soaps.
Rape is worse than murder 😦 What a f..ked up world we live in. These soaps are desensitising the audience.
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Old 27-12-2015, 20:09
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Not really though. Rape is treated differently in real life and on TV. It's not something that happens as frequently as murder in soaps.
Why is rape worse than murder? Surely murder is worse. There's no coming back for the victim!
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Old 27-12-2015, 21:56
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Rape is worse than murder 😦 What a f..ked up world we live in. These soaps are desensitising the audience.
Why is rape worse than murder? Surely murder is worse. There's no coming back for the victim!
I didn't say that rape is worse. It depends on the circumstances. Many people here understand Stacey killing Archie, but how many understand Dean raping Linda? Many of us here are capable of murder. Especially parents. Rape is a different kind of evil.

Also, the world is pretty desensitised to murder in fictional shows already, but I doubt we will ever be so casual about fictional rape. That's why people still complain about the rapes in Game of Thrones and why we don't have an award winning TV show called How to Get Away with Rape.
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Old 27-12-2015, 22:42
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I didn't say that rape is worse. It depends on the circumstances. Many people here understand Stacey killing Archie, but how many understand Dean raping Linda? Many of us here are capable of murder. Especially parents. Rape is a different kind of evil.

Also, the world is pretty desensitised to murder in fictional shows already, but I doubt we will ever be so casual about fictional rape. That's why people still complain about the rapes in Game of Thrones and why we don't have an award winning TV show called How to Get Away with Rape.
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Old 27-12-2015, 22:47
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Why? Did it sound like I was defending murder or something, because I clearly wasn't? I was just pointing out that rape and murder tend to be looked at very differently in society, which is true. People don't always automatically look at murder as worse. Not sure what's wrong with pointing that out. I mean, come on. We even have comedy shows that centre around murder. Was it my "many of us here are capable of murder" claim, because I was exaggerating and not referring to casual "I just feel like killing" murder. That's why I mentioned parents. I always think of the dad who killed his young daughter's rapist. I don't think of him as a bad guy at all. His actions were very understandable.
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