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Prince forgives internet?
It seems he is mellowing in his attitude to his stuff appearing.
Check out this link, with an amazing performance of Purple Rain from 1983 http://antiquiet.com/music/2010/05/p...in-1983-video/ I hope lots more is to follow. I'd love to have some of the full length b-sides on youtube. |
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It seems he is mellowing in his attitude to his stuff appearing.
Check out this link, with an amazing performance of Purple Rain from 1983 http://antiquiet.com/music/2010/05/p...in-1983-video/ I hope lots more is to follow. I'd love to have some of the full length b-sides on youtube. He did have a number of videos that had been uploaded on YouTube with his band, 3RDEYEDGIRL performing songs from his gigs that he did last year. All of them were taken down which concinded with the removal of his music from all streaming sites, bar Tidal. Now apart from legal downloading or the purchase of his CDs & Vinyl, the only place where you can have access to his music online is Tidal. (I hope I have worded the last sentence correctly )Besides, the Purple Rain album he did to accompany the film I'm sure was released in 1984 and not 1983.
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It seems he is mellowing in his attitude to his stuff appearing.
Check out this link, with an amazing performance of Purple Rain from 1983 http://antiquiet.com/music/2010/05/p...in-1983-video/ I hope lots more is to follow. I'd love to have some of the full length b-sides on youtube. he still gets people to agressively target and remove unauthorised videos and photos from online. only yesterday he tweeted to moan about a photo taken by a guest of a billionaire who paid him to play at his new years party |
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Well, I do know that he finally allowed his cover of Radiohead's "Creep" to be uploaded again on YouTube with the appropriate licensing in place.
He did have a number of videos that had been uploaded on YouTube with his band, 3RDEYEDGIRL performing songs from his gigs that he did last year. All of them were taken down which concinded with the removal of his music from all streaming sites, bar Tidal. Now apart from legal downloading or the purchase of his CDs & Vinyl, the only place where you can have access to his music online is Tidal. (I hope I have worded the last sentence correctly )Besides, the Purple Rain album he did to accompany the film I'm sure was released in 1984 and not 1983. ![]() as for creep, there were a bunch of youtube videos shot by audience members at the time, but he put proshot clips (in the wrong aspect ratio!) of some of the tracks inluding creep, on his official website at the time, but not on youtube. it was a pay site so he wasn't happy with material appearing elsewhere for free viewing he has had a number of websites over the past few years with forgettable URL's and has posted material on a number of sites including youtube, and soundcloud, and has split various tracks between itunes, spotify and tidal. tidal is the main source for material at the moment but contrary to what he said himself about removing all his music from all streaming services etc, some music at least was still legally available on spotify and itunes and soundcloud, and i mean music uploaded from official sources did you see the recent article from ebony that was pulled down within hours of being published? prince claimed he told the journalist off the record, whilst the journalist denies that was the case, and i'm sure that the journalist wasn't wrong |
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the video posted was from 1983 where the main backing tracks to purple rain, i would die 4 u and baby i'm a star were recorded (the whole show was recorded to multitrack). there was a lot of overdubbing and editing involved, he rerecorded wendys guitar part for example (it was her first public performance with the band). the album and movie came out the following year. whilst that show in 83 was also video taped, it's not the performances from the movie which were shot at the same venue, first avenue, but mimed a few times filmed at different angles for the cameras - as was most of the SOTT live movie as they used the wrong type of film and it came out dark, so he mimed his performance in the studio to the live backing. personally he should have just filmed a performance at paisley park instead
as for creep, there were a bunch of youtube videos shot by audience members at the time, but he put proshot clips (in the wrong aspect ratio!) of some of the tracks inluding creep, on his official website at the time, but not on youtube. it was a pay site so he wasn't happy with material appearing elsewhere for free viewing he has had a number of websites over the past few years with forgettable URL's and has posted material on a number of sites including youtube, and soundcloud, and has split various tracks between itunes, spotify and tidal. tidal is the main source for material at the moment but contrary to what he said himself about removing all his music from all streaming services etc, some music at least was still legally available on spotify and itunes and soundcloud, and i mean music uploaded from official sources did you see the recent article from ebony that was pulled down within hours of being published? prince claimed he told the journalist off the record, whilst the journalist denies that was the case, and i'm sure that the journalist wasn't wrong ![]() I was always aware of his websites and the fan clubs that got access to exclusive songs and albums if they subscribed. He once had a close relationship with his fans and would let them record his material at his concerts and gigs before changing his mind. I do know that he was also one of the first artists to release his music online. He would have done that partly because he wanted the fans to be able to listen to his songs, without the record label being involved and that was pioneering at the time. Nowadays, artists have been put in a position where "they" have to have a close relationship with their fans on social media because of declining record sales and like you know, release material on SoundCloud, YouTube or even somewhere like Tidal. I have come across this lovely female singer who has been able to release her own music; managed to produce an EP independently and uploaded live performances and a couple of live music videos on YouTube. Very few artists are now capable of still being able to sell music. I had forgotten you could still get some material on Spotify - I know that because I have an account with them. When I made the point about Tidal it was because that is where his full back catalogue is, plus the albums that were once only able for those who subscribed to his fan club. I'm sure I am right about the latter. He has made Tidal the only place on the Internet where you can listen to his music, including new albums like Hit N Run Parts 1 & 2 both released last year; although Part 1 after a couple of months did receive a CD release - that was always the plan, according to his young producer in an interview I read on the BBC News website - and a download release on iTunes. |
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That's very interesting that he did the show to premier new songs from his forthcoming album, Purple Rain before going back into the studio to tweak them, like you say. I didn't know that.
![]() I was always aware of his websites and the fan clubs that got access to exclusive songs and albums if they subscribed. He once had a close relationship with his fans and would let them record his material at his concerts and gigs before changing his mind. Yo, wait a minute - no!" Quote:
I do know that he was also one of the first artists to release his music online. He would have done that partly because he wanted the fans to be able to listen to his songs, without the record label being involved and that was pioneering at the time. Nowadays, artists have been put in a position where "they" have to have a close relationship with their fans on social media because of declining record sales and like you know, release material on SoundCloud, YouTube or even somewhere like Tidal. I have come across this lovely female singer who has been able to release her own music; managed to produce an EP independently and uploaded live performances and a couple of live music videos on YouTube. Very few artists are now capable of still being able to sell music. Quote:
I had forgotten you could still get some material on Spotify - I know that because I have an account with them. When I made the point about Tidal it was because that is where his full back catalogue is, plus the albums that were once only able for those who subscribed to his fan club. I'm sure I am right about the latter. He has made Tidal the only place on the Internet where you can listen to his music, including new albums like Hit N Run Parts 1 & 2 both released last year; although Part 1 after a couple of months did receive a CD release - that was always the plan, according to his young producer in an interview I read on the BBC News website - and a download release on iTunes. btw there's a new show on sky arts about prince tomorrow night at 8.30pm, but don't expect any new or exclusive content. based on the other shows in the series it's just a run down / bio of the artist using standard archive footage and videos, and talking heads from people that had nothing to do with the music (usually the same people on ever episode as it's a different artist each time). it's more of an introduction to artists for people not too familiar about the ins and outs of the work, rather than for die hards |
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He's even on twitter these days... He's a new man.
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the main reason for him doing this is he gets frustrated at the pace it takes for record companies to release music and he creates more music than any significant record company could realistically release with any change of making a profit or breaking even
tidal doesn't have everything, but itunes has both hit n run albums. tidal does have a few exclusives though, and it's had a few things that have been online for a short period and removed later, like the accoustic album he did with any allo that was online for only 24 hours, one of the 4 albums he released last year, although it's more of a protoge album really, and the judith hill album was released by wetransfer initially in 24k hi def sound, another protoge album but he plays most instruments and wrote most of it Personally, for an artist like Prince, it is much better to download his material and buy his CDs or vinyl. |
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I think one mistake an artist can make it to release their music on different platforms.
There is no way I want to have to sign up to Tidal, iTunes, Spotify etc, just to get all the albums from one artist. |
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I think one mistake an artist can make it to release their music on different platforms.
There is no way I want to have to sign up to Tidal, iTunes, Spotify etc, just to get all the albums from one artist. think about the method of selling cds and records, you put your records and cds in as many stores as possible to get the most coverage and sales with the exclusive stuff it's either on tidal, and sometimes free for even non subscription customers, or it's on a service like soundcloud or youtube that's free for everyone. but other stuff is usually spread across different services so you can stream or download from your preferred supplier. for example juno offered lossless versions of tracks whist itunes only had lossy versions of some tracks |
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that's what most artists do, as most consumers will only sign up to one service, or a small number, so by putting music on other platforms gives him a wider reach
think about the method of selling cds and records, you put your records and cds in as many stores as possible to get the most coverage and sales with the exclusive stuff it's either on tidal, and sometimes free for even non subscription customers, or it's on a service like soundcloud or youtube that's free for everyone. but other stuff is usually spread across different services so you can stream or download from your preferred supplier. for example juno offered lossless versions of tracks whist itunes only had lossy versions of some tracks Consumers might not always have the money to splash out taking out numerous subscriptions on various sites. You only have to look at an example like Taylor Swift where you can stream all her albums on tidal and amazon music, for the exception of "1989" which you can only get on apple music; no wonder there are over 1 billion views for the music videos of the songs like "Shake it off" from the album on YouTube.
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I always think it is much better for artists to allow all their albums and EPs to be made available across all streaming sites like Spotify, Deezer, Shazam, Apple Music and Tidal.
Consumers might not always have the money to splash out taking out numerous subscriptions on various sites. You only have to look at an example like Taylor Swift where you can stream all her albums on tidal and amazon music, for the exception of "1989" which you can only get on apple music; no wonder there are over 1 billion views for the music videos of the songs like "Shake it off" from the album on YouTube. ![]() |
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I mean subscription services.
And the shop analogy only works if you have to pay a tenner a month to enter the shop before you can purchase the album. If that happened you are only likely to go to one shop and if the album isn't in that shop you aren't likely to pay another £10 a month to go to another shop that does sell the album. |
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I think the only way Prince will forgive the internet is if he gets paid upfront for it.
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the prince tidal exclusive stuff probably isn't of much interest to casual fans though. and there are plenty of free tidal accounts, and other ways to get the few exclusive tracks apart from that, so I doubt it's much of a concern. I'm sure taylor swift got a good deal from apple for that album and the live video to keep it exclusive. it's always going to happen
Prince knows that the exclusive material on tidal would please his serious fans and keep them happy.As for Taylor Swift, she knew that the 3 month free trial that apple music were doing to lure new consumers onto their new service wasn't very fair to artists who write their own material because they weren't going to be paid royalties for their work. She fought apple and they had to change that rule to ensure that was no longer the case and then got an offer she couldn't refuse from apple. |
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But will the internet forgive Prince?
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When I made the point about Tidal it was because that is where his full back catalogue is, plus the albums that were once only able for those who subscribed to his fan club. I'm sure I am right about the latter.