Lol wtf is this speech
International Cricket 2016
106 of 284
Originally Posted by Bhaveshgor:
“Personally think WI need to show more pride in playing for their country more.
A lot of the time in ODI and Test cricket the players don't want to play for their country.
only seen them show up in certain situation, either by sledging them or in some ICC events.
Even my Next door neighbour can see this.”
“Personally think WI need to show more pride in playing for their country more.
A lot of the time in ODI and Test cricket the players don't want to play for their country.
only seen them show up in certain situation, either by sledging them or in some ICC events.
Even my Next door neighbour can see this.”
to be fair the west indies cricket board have to take some responsibility. Wages need to be higher for sure. players need to be treated better then they currently are!
not saying the players are blameless at all but they are not to blame for everything,
Originally Posted by makeba72:
“Sammy's joining in, quoting Mark Nicholas and others.”
“Sammy's joining in, quoting Mark Nicholas and others.”
That speech was deep. Stuff he said about the West Indies cricket board was damning.
Originally Posted by Bhaveshgor:
“Dropping them to a second division test level not that bad option really since the players need motivation to perform and Test cricket needs Context to make Test Cricket interesting in every country barring Australia and England.
Even AB is saying he is losing motivation to play Test cricket because it has no meaning.
But no one came up with a workable idea yet that suits everyone.”
“Dropping them to a second division test level not that bad option really since the players need motivation to perform and Test cricket needs Context to make Test Cricket interesting in every country barring Australia and England.
Even AB is saying he is losing motivation to play Test cricket because it has no meaning.
But no one came up with a workable idea yet that suits everyone.”
The keys are "idea" and "workable". For tests to have meaning they have got to be a series of three, and there simply isn't enough time available to have a Test Championship where everyone plays everyone else home and away. Otherwise you are looking at two divisions or twequal leagues and a final.
One possibility that I know a lot don't like, but the women use, is a points system which includes Tests, ODI's and 20/20 and that could produce a ranking table similar to the one we have now...and it shows the best overall cricket side.
Four day tests could free up more time, but overseas that would mean day/night as 4 x 70-odd overs/day won't get many results. But before Test cricket is butchered, will 20/20 lose it's appeal???
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“Again I disagree with you. 18 of those 20 overs were pretty good. Only 2 were fairly expensive. England didn't get 170 which lost them the game. Batting lost it for me. The bowlers did ok”
“Again I disagree with you. 18 of those 20 overs were pretty good. Only 2 were fairly expensive. England didn't get 170 which lost them the game. Batting lost it for me. The bowlers did ok”
Conceding 4 6's of the first 4 balls of the 20th over of the t20 world final is not ok. Whatever the batting prowess 19 runs should be defendable with sensible bowling.
The most damming comment, for me, was that the President of the West Indies cricket board hadn't sent any congratulations to the team during the tournament
Can't see the relationship being fixed any time soon
Can't see the relationship being fixed any time soon
Originally Posted by Stevej4:
“Conceding 4 6's of the first 4 balls of the 20th over of the t20 world final is not ok. Whatever the batting prowess 19 runs should be defendable with sensible bowling.”
“Conceding 4 6's of the first 4 balls of the 20th over of the t20 world final is not ok. Whatever the batting prowess 19 runs should be defendable with sensible bowling.”
Exactly. Whatever went on before 19 runs from 6 balls should be defendable - or, at very least, a last ball decider.
Originally Posted by davethecue:
“The most damming comment, for me, was that the President of the West Indies cricket board hadn't sent any congratulations to the team during the tournament
Can't see the relationship being fixed any time soon”
“The most damming comment, for me, was that the President of the West Indies cricket board hadn't sent any congratulations to the team during the tournament
Can't see the relationship being fixed any time soon”
Makes you think the board would of been happy for them to go out 1st round and wanted them to lose.
Anyone know why Jason Holder didn't play this tournament, by the way? Or whether Keiron Pollard was ever in the picture for selection? Or is that all about the problems with the Board, too?
Terrible of the WI President to not have been in touch during the tournament.
Terrible of the WI President to not have been in touch during the tournament.
Just in case anyone hasn't seen it and wants to:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/35955629
I can remember watching Chris Tavare bat for England back in the day. You have to say, its a different world!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/35955629
I can remember watching Chris Tavare bat for England back in the day. You have to say, its a different world!
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“Just in case anyone hasn't seen it and wants to:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/35955629
I can remember watching Chris Tavare bat for England once. You have to say, its a different world!”
“Just in case anyone hasn't seen it and wants to:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/35955629
I can remember watching Chris Tavare bat for England once. You have to say, its a different world!”
Chris Tavare scored 4 runs from 24 balls
Originally Posted by Jason C:
“Rather ungracious of Samuels to use the trophy presentation to settle his own personal score.”
“Rather ungracious of Samuels to use the trophy presentation to settle his own personal score.”
Agreed
Originally Posted by iamsofired:
“God doesnt care about cricket matches,”
“God doesnt care about cricket matches,”
If this was true, why do we get the best weather in the cricket season ?
Originally Posted by iamsofired:
“Lol wtf is this speech”
“Lol wtf is this speech”
Sammy said it was never in doubt. If he rated Braithwaite so highly, why was he batting at number 8
Originally Posted by Stevej4:
“Conceding 4 6's of the first 4 balls of the 20th over of the t20 world final is not ok. Whatever the batting prowess 19 runs should be defendable with sensible bowling.”
“Conceding 4 6's of the first 4 balls of the 20th over of the t20 world final is not ok. Whatever the batting prowess 19 runs should be defendable with sensible bowling.”
And how should he have bowled ?
Seen some folks on here and lots of middle aged journalists on twitter saying that, while they wanted England to win, they are happy to see West Indies win and want to see them back at the top of the game.
I wonder if this is a generational thing. People who grew up with West Indies being great wanting them to be back there as an act of nostalgia. I grew up with West Indies being shit. My first memories were the tail end of Curtley and Courtney holding things together and Lara being a class apart from his woeful teammates. A rubbish England team beating the WI inside two days. Then they just got worse and worse as they stopped caring.
I judge this West Indies team by their current characters and I don't like them at all. I'd rather have seen India win as I really like people like Dhoni and Kohli. West Indies getting 'back to their best' means nothing to me.
I wonder if this is a generational thing. People who grew up with West Indies being great wanting them to be back there as an act of nostalgia. I grew up with West Indies being shit. My first memories were the tail end of Curtley and Courtney holding things together and Lara being a class apart from his woeful teammates. A rubbish England team beating the WI inside two days. Then they just got worse and worse as they stopped caring.
I judge this West Indies team by their current characters and I don't like them at all. I'd rather have seen India win as I really like people like Dhoni and Kohli. West Indies getting 'back to their best' means nothing to me.
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“Chris Tavare scored 4 runs from 24 balls”
“Chris Tavare scored 4 runs from 24 balls”
...................a good day then
Pollard injured, Holder in the squad and he can't get into the team unless he can keep lol.
Essentially Ramdin bats at 11 and keeps.
It is either brathwaithe or Holder for the team.
Essentially Ramdin bats at 11 and keeps.
It is either brathwaithe or Holder for the team.
Originally Posted by Bosox:
“Seen some folks on here and lots of middle aged journalists on twitter saying that, while they wanted England to win, they are happy to see West Indies win and want to see them back at the top of the game.
I wonder if this is a generational thing. People who grew up with West Indies being great wanting them to be back there as an act of nostalgia. I grew up with West Indies being shit. My first memories were the tail end of Curtley and Courtney holding things together and Lara being a class apart from his woeful teammates.
I judge this West Indies team by their current characters and I don't like them at all. I'd rather have seen India win as I really like people like Dhoni and Kohli. West ndies getting 'back to their best' means nothing to me.”
“Seen some folks on here and lots of middle aged journalists on twitter saying that, while they wanted England to win, they are happy to see West Indies win and want to see them back at the top of the game.
I wonder if this is a generational thing. People who grew up with West Indies being great wanting them to be back there as an act of nostalgia. I grew up with West Indies being shit. My first memories were the tail end of Curtley and Courtney holding things together and Lara being a class apart from his woeful teammates.
I judge this West Indies team by their current characters and I don't like them at all. I'd rather have seen India win as I really like people like Dhoni and Kohli. West ndies getting 'back to their best' means nothing to me.”
Lara was the best player I ever saw live but he had an ever decreasing standard of WI Cricket to deal with. Believe me the West Indies were as destructive a force as there has ever been in Cricket from 75/76 for 15 years or so.
Originally Posted by Bosox:
“Seen some folks on here and lots of middle aged journalists on twitter saying that, while they wanted England to win, they are happy to see West Indies win and want to see them back at the top of the game.
I wonder if this is a generational thing. People who grew up with West Indies being great wanting them to be back there as an act of nostalgia. I grew up with West Indies being shit. My first memories were the tail end of Curtley and Courtney holding things together and Lara being a class apart from his woeful teammates. A rubbish England team beating the WI inside two days. Then they just got worse and worse as they stopped caring.
I judge this West Indies team by their current characters and I don't like them at all. I'd rather have seen India win as I really like people like Dhoni and Kohli. West Indies getting 'back to their best' means nothing to me.”
“Seen some folks on here and lots of middle aged journalists on twitter saying that, while they wanted England to win, they are happy to see West Indies win and want to see them back at the top of the game.
I wonder if this is a generational thing. People who grew up with West Indies being great wanting them to be back there as an act of nostalgia. I grew up with West Indies being shit. My first memories were the tail end of Curtley and Courtney holding things together and Lara being a class apart from his woeful teammates. A rubbish England team beating the WI inside two days. Then they just got worse and worse as they stopped caring.
I judge this West Indies team by their current characters and I don't like them at all. I'd rather have seen India win as I really like people like Dhoni and Kohli. West Indies getting 'back to their best' means nothing to me.”
West Indies being a strong test side only benefits the game rather than having a side who can't compete.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I wonder if the West Indies have the patience for the longer form game - they prefer trying to be on the front foot from the off which means restrictive bowling or lack of wickets frustrate.
At this level, though, when you need that trait... wow.”
“I wonder if the West Indies have the patience for the longer form game - they prefer trying to be on the front foot from the off which means restrictive bowling or lack of wickets frustrate.
At this level, though, when you need that trait... wow.”
It doesn't help with the lack of 4/5 day cricket that players get to play in the West Indies.
West Indies have always been my 2nd team but that's probably down to Clive Lloyd being my hero at Lancs
They were the best team for ages but , unusually with such dominant sides, they weren't disliked as they won games with skill and not just because of home conditions and winning the toss.
Sadly, I don't feel that way about some of the current team but that doesn't take away that they have some terrific white-ball cricketers
Reflecting on the tournament as a whole, really enjoyed it and the way that Sky have covered it
Rob Key is becoming a fav...
They were the best team for ages but , unusually with such dominant sides, they weren't disliked as they won games with skill and not just because of home conditions and winning the toss.
Sadly, I don't feel that way about some of the current team but that doesn't take away that they have some terrific white-ball cricketers
Reflecting on the tournament as a whole, really enjoyed it and the way that Sky have covered it
Rob Key is becoming a fav...
Someone further up the thread said that the WI teams should be proud to play for their country - but there isn't a country called "The West Indies" - a bit like the European Ryder Cup team.
Leaving the controversy apart, both finals, women and men were a great advert for cricket, and prove to me, as someone who has always enjoyed watching the game, especially the shorter formats - that it really is time to bury the 4 day county format, and along with it the test game too.
Sacrilege! I hear shouts from all around the cricket world. However, in the days of short attention spans, is there really a place for a game where to watch it from start to finish working people have to take nearly a week off? Is it no wonder that at a 4 day county game the most rewarding pastime is playing count the spectator? The game is losing a fortune.
The future is surely T20, with more teams, and expanding the most exciting format of the game to new countries, in Europe, North and South America? That's the way to put the game on a sound financial footing. Without a bold move like this I honestly worry for the future of cricket long term.
Leaving the controversy apart, both finals, women and men were a great advert for cricket, and prove to me, as someone who has always enjoyed watching the game, especially the shorter formats - that it really is time to bury the 4 day county format, and along with it the test game too.
Sacrilege! I hear shouts from all around the cricket world. However, in the days of short attention spans, is there really a place for a game where to watch it from start to finish working people have to take nearly a week off? Is it no wonder that at a 4 day county game the most rewarding pastime is playing count the spectator? The game is losing a fortune.
The future is surely T20, with more teams, and expanding the most exciting format of the game to new countries, in Europe, North and South America? That's the way to put the game on a sound financial footing. Without a bold move like this I honestly worry for the future of cricket long term.
Does anyone here find the West Indian players cocky arrogant and of full themselves or are they just very confident people who are not afraid to speak their mind
Originally Posted by owen10:
“Does anyone here find the West Indian players cocky arogant and of full themselves or are they just very confident people who are not afraid to speak their mind”
“Does anyone here find the West Indian players cocky arogant and of full themselves or are they just very confident people who are not afraid to speak their mind”
Or just very happy in winning.
106 of 284
