Agree. To get 19 the batting side probably need one 6 minimum, so wide yorkers surely had to be the way to go. But 155 did look very short on that wicket, but handily both WI openers gave away their wickets to Root to make a game of it! C'est la vie. Excellent tournament for us and a great effort for 19 overs at defending 155.

Samuels is an arrogant cock, always has been.

Sammy is a top bloke though, plays the game how it should be played, with a smile on his face.

Definitely. As much as he batted well his poor management of the run rate meant he was lucky to even be in the position of collecting MoM award. He let the run rate continually escalate until it hit 19 with one over to go and then relied on heroics from the number 8 bat to get over the line.

You're showing your age
Me, too
Mind you, the other option was Harry Pilling.
Then the Windies became TOO good although it was always gut-wrenching when Clive appeared at the wicket v England. Thought the best compromise was him to hit a sublime 50 and give his wicket away, especially at Old Trafford!

Absolutely not.

Give me an Ashes series win over a T20 World Cup Final any day. And as a Yorkshire fan, give me the LV County Championship over a trip to T20 finals day any day of the year.

couldn't watch the game live and just finished watching it on TiVo

that was a bit of a rollercoaster, from thinking we were dead and buried when root was out to getting a squeak of a chance from a little wag from the tail

great start with the ball and hopes building as the run rate continued to climb to a typical "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" in that last over. feel sorry for stokes, he had done a very good job with the ball at the death in previous games but couldn't do it one last time.

all in all while its disappointing to lose like that i think we exceeded expectations in the tournament as a whole, especially after that loss in the first game. this is a young team and this is part of their learning curve building towards the champions trophy next year and then the WC in 2019, when the majority of this team will still be around.

feel sorry for stokes had a great tourmount proud of england to get to the final was well done

That's harsh. He played the situation due to the circumstance and made sure he remained in.

I agree with that. Poor old Stokes must be absolutely gutted, and it's very sad when a team game appears to have been lost by one individual, even though we all know it's not really down to him alone. I'm sure he's taking it very hard. Whilst it is disappointing that he bowled back-to-back deliveries that could all be hit for 6, the team should have scored more in the first place. Plunkett also had a very bad over, having bowled brilliantly beforehand, and so on.

Overall, England did a whole lot better than anyone would have imagined, and to get so close to the win was in itself pretty amazing. I hope Stokes gets over this soon.

Who here is annoyed about people saying We have made huge progress from last year and we should be proud of this team Well we may have made huge progress but we should have won today I mean to let Braithwaite get those runs on his own is unforgivable

Believe me Im with you on that score, but I must admit I have started to fear for the long term future of both the longer Test and county formats(and even the future of some counties)-and I do think its 20/20 doing the threatening. Its hard to think that new people being introduced to Cricket via 20/20 will have the patience for even 40 over Cricket let alone the 10 hour days I used to get through with Nat West games or slower over rated championship games.
20/20 doesn't seem as big here as it does elsewhere and I get the impression there are elements frustrated about this who wouldn't worry about county members or the history of Cricket in England in pursuing radical change.

Its interesting to think that 20/20 was the idea iirc of an ECB marketing manager- just tossing ideas around on the back of packet of cigarettes probably. I wonder he didn't patent it given the global industry its become.

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I would have tried to bowl yorkers very wide. I would have had to accept 1 or 2 wide calls.


Good summary

Big Clive and little Harry !!!!!

I reckon we need to replace the Irish captain.

I was pleased we made the final despite nearly being taken down by the mighty Afghanis a week ago. We have made progess despite the occasional misfiring player.

I'm not entirely happy with the squad but to make the final without our best one day player is some achievement.

Stokes has been round the block and even in a situation like this I was disappointed he didn't have one go to ball up his sleeve to salvage the over. It seemed after the dross of the first ball he was a lost soul. At times like that he needed a good strong captain to aid him and then bowl with some nous.

I'm not laying all the blame on Stokes now as Plunketts finishing over was as bad. It seemed that a few of our guys succumbed to big night nerves and couldn't come with the earlier games performances. I've seen it with England a few times in the World Cup finals.

Our best one day player is Joe Root. Batsmen, bowler, fielder, future captain.

Great player. Can we have him cloned ?

Anyone see Samuals with the press. Still in pads and mentioned Warne again. Samuals is a goon.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/westindi...ry/995045.html

didn't see any of the press stuff or interviews after the match but thought it was incredibly unprofessional of samuels to use that platform to try and air personal grudges

Samuels is proof that sometimes good things happen to bad people.

IPL has proved time and again that a last over score of 25 is gettable. 19 was a walk in the park.

Sad end but Stokes should have mixed it up for his final over. No slow balls, no balls wide of the crease. Even Steyn bowling at his speed would have been carted. Stoke at his speed had no chance.

Out of the 11 that played in the final, I would think that 9 of them are more than likely to be selected for the next T20 game
Moeen and Plunkett may struggle to keep their place

I'd go for Wood to replace Plunkett and Parry to replace Moeen

What's happened to Wood? Is he fit again?

I think Plunkett has been very hard done by. He should have played more Tests and he bowled well enough in these T20's. And he can bat a bit. I really don't understand why England seem to have kept him on the sidelines so often. He's quick, too.

Moeen though... well, if the skipper doesn't feel he can bowl his Test spinner at all, then that's very telling, isn't it? England really need to find a finger spinner to replace Swann.

He does spend a lot of time out injured
Yes

Unsurprising news as the fallout re their poor performances gathered momentum

Waqar Younis has resigned as Pakistan's coach three months before his contract was going to end, and only one day after Shahid Afridi relinquished his T20 captaincy. Waqar took the decision after meeting PCB officials in Lahore.

Waqar had recently presented a scathing report, after Pakistan's exit from the World T20, in which he criticised the PCB's decision of not giving him a say in the selection process and lambasted Afridi's style of captaincy

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan...ry/995183.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-worl...ry/995203.html

not sure i would have included williamson purely for his captaincy when i think there were batsmen that made much more of a contribution but apart from that cant really argue with the rest

looking forward to see how buttler goes in the IPL , wonder if he will be keeping as MI have parthiv patel in their squad as well. i didn't realise billings had got a contract, cant see him getting many games when i look at the other overseas guys in the dehli squad