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England rather unsurprisingly win the series
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still a very comfortable win in the end even if we did let things slip a little in their second innings, credit to the sri lankans for putting up a fight but feel we weren't really at 100% in the field the last couple of days
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Do England play more tests than everyone else?
I mean he's predicted to get the most runs ever with an average of mid-40s perhaps, yet Ponting, Sangakarra, Tendulkar, Lara, Kallis all have had averages way into the 50s and will score a lot less. Just seems a bit odd. at best reckon he getting 14K Also not sure the number games will matter too much considering reckon Cook would play similar amount of games the greats played. Anyway the more meaningful stat is how many test or innings it took to reach the milestone and cook ranks lowly in that stat which explains his low average. Cooks is remarkable player though since he reached 10k runs with 3 shots and it took what close 6-7 years for teams to actually find his weakness. Can't see him getting much more now though, life could be really difficult for him now if team bowl really full and slightly wide at him, really struggles to score runs and get him self out when teams do this. Actually find it remarkable an opener with this weakness averages 45 and play for england more remarkable when you considering his strongest aspect and the conditions he prospers the most his asian and spinning conditions when all the people thought the guy can't play spin lol. |
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england do play more tests on average but opening batsmen tend to have fewer not outs so that means a lower average
the biggest difference to the averages was that cook was an opener and they generally get out the most to low scores and the 2nd fact cook is probably the first player barring maybe Jayawardene that had quite a big technical fault. Cook had 2 major barren spells where he struggled to score, the rest never had that barring their ends. Tendulkars, Lara, Ponting, Dravid, Sanga etc never averaged or had a poor barren spell below 40 during their peaks if anything during their peaks their average 60-70s. Cook low average is really down to those batting downs rather than the not outs. |
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there are quite a few points in that post i dont think i agree with bhav
cook's strength as a batsman has never been his range of shots, its been his patience, its one thing saying bowlers will just bowl full and wide to him but when he is at his best he just leaves those, forces the bowlers to bowl a tighter line if they want to get him out and then he can score. i've not been his biggest fan but i cant argue with how single-minded he is and i dont see any reasons why he wont play for 5 or 6 more years, he has never struck me as someone who will just walk away. he has never really had injury problems either and doesn't play a load of cricket now outside of tests. as far as the comment on spin, i dont think he is a good player of spin, he is a good defender against spin but is extremely limited in his scoring shots against it. to me a good player of spin is someone who can do both. |
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Not sure not outs would make a huge difference to the averages in a test match.
the biggest difference to the averages was that cook was an opener and they generally get out the most to low scores and the 2nd fact cook is probably the first player barring maybe Jayawardene that had quite a big technical fault. Cook had 2 major barren spells where he struggled to score, the rest never had that barring their ends. Tendulkars, Lara, Ponting, Dravid, Sanga etc never averaged or had a poor barren spell below 40 during their peaks if anything during their peaks their average 60-70s. Cook low average is really down to those batting downs rather than the not outs. |
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Interestingly enough Joe Root will likely surpass him if he keeps his average above 50 and plays into his 30s, big if of course but something to watch out for.
Same way is Jimmy leading wicket taker title will probably be taken from him by Broad eventually. Even if he doesn't break Cook record or Tendulkar record. He should be proud to be considered one of the best during his generation. First english batsman to get considered probably since boycott. Although really hard to say if Root will break it now you get a better idea when he scores 7k. things change so quickly in sport, when cook scored 6-7K everyone said it was guaranteed he would beat 16K now it look tough again. Really all root can do his score runs consistently and the records will come. |
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michael holding and botham just saying very similar things about cook to my last couple of posts
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Root will go down as one of the best English batsman since donkey years.
Even if he doesn't break Cook record or Tendulkar record. He should be proud to be considered one of the best during his generation. First english batsman to get considered probably since boycott. Although really hard to say if Root will break it now you get a better idea when he scores 7k. things change so quickly in sport, when cook scored 6-7K everyone said it was guaranteed he would beat 16K now it look tough again. Really all root can do his score runs consistently and the records will come. |
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michael holding and botham just saying very similar things about cook to my last couple of posts
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there are quite a few points in that post i dont think i agree with bhav
cook's strength as a batsman has never been his range of shots, its been his patience, its one thing saying bowlers will just bowl full and wide to him but when he is at his best he just leaves those, forces the bowlers to bowl a tighter line if they want to get him out and then he can score. i've not been his biggest fan but i cant argue with how single-minded he is and i dont see any reasons why he wont play for 5 or 6 more years, he has never struck me as someone who will just walk away. he has never really had injury problems either and doesn't play a load of cricket now outside of tests. as far as the comment on spin, i dont think he is a good player of spin, he is a good defender against spin but is extremely limited in his scoring shots against it. to me a good player of spin is someone who can do both. Can't see him playing on after that. just wanna say Cook doesn't show the same level of patience when teams block his cut and pull shots and these days bowlers just don't bowl to his strength anymore. it is really one of the reasons why he averages low against NZ, Australia, SA and pakistan teams since they generally never serve him his strengths and in recent times even Sri lanka and india have bowled better to him. He does have the mental strength to survive but if he does get out he would get out for like 30-50 etc instead of say 70-100 because he hasn't been scoring runs like he would have done before since bowlers haven't provided the bad balls they did before. Reckon we gonna disagree with his spin status, Cook might not be attractive against spin but he got more shots to it than he does with the pace men and that really why he averages so high against spin and the worse part is that he literally plays no risky shots to spin, never goes out of his crease or tries to destroy spinners. no question about it spinner don't actually know any ways to getting him out on these conditions. especially on the first few days when the ball doesn't turn that much and spinner normally get wickets when batsman make mistakes or misjudge the length or flight of the ball cook hardly makes any mistakes on this front. |
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I'm convinced they read this thread
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Might not be the popular choice, but I would have KP as one of the best of his generation
hard to see him being mentioned in the same breath as AB, Amla, Sangakarra etc. Root is being mentioned alongside Smith/Williamson/Kohli. |
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michael holding and botham just saying very similar things about cook to my last couple of posts
![]() Bit odd for botham to say something spot on, so it must be copied from you or from the internet.
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TBH meant being the best of his era/generation of when he played.
hard to see him being mentioned in the same breath as AB, Amla, Sangakarra etc. Root is being mentioned alongside Smith/Williamson/Kohli. 2005-2011, KP was a proven gamechanger/matchwinner and was defo amongst the best of his generation. ABV has got better to become fantastic but 10 years ago, he was 'only good'. Amla wasn't pulling any trees up during that period either |
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TBH always classed KP the same way as Sehwag a player of great innings rather than a great player.
When KP was in form was one of the best players in the world, if only he was more consistent and kept his head straight could have achived far more in the game. |
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michael holding and botham just saying very similar things about cook to my last couple of posts
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What did they say had the football on.
Bit odd for botham to say something spot on, so it must be copied from you or from the internet. ![]() there is a saying i used to try to keep in mind when i played golf seriously. that you should always know your limitations and play within them. cook does that as a batsman, he knows where his scoring areas are and what his scoring shots are, and plays to those limitations. |
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Yeah he does that very well.
suppose that helps him survive considering he can leave most deliveries alone since they are too good for him to score runs. the better players generally have 3-5 shots to every delivery and struggle to pick a shot to score runs and then get out for a half hearted attempt. |
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Yeah he does that very well.
suppose that helps him survive considering he can leave most deliveries alone since they are too good for him to score runs. the better players generally have 3-5 shots to every delivery and struggle to pick a shot to score runs and then get out for a half hearted attempt. i remember strauss a couple of years ago talking about jos buttler's limited success in first class cricket after he had played as a guest for somerset in a tour game. he suggested one of buttler's problems was he had "too many shots" and that sometimes led to uncertainty of which one to play, and that uncertainty got him out alot. |
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Reckon we should do a sweepstake on how many runs cook will get and see which person get the closest.
reckon cook getting 14 000 runs. |
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Reckon we should do a sweepstake on how many runs cook will get and see which person get the closest.
reckon cook getting 14 000 runs. ![]() ![]()
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Jimmy played great again but for my money Mo should have got MoM, his ton set up the win.
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Jimmy played great again but for my money Mo should have got MoM, his ton set up the win.
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Nonsense from Bhav that they've only just found his weakness now, everybody knows bowling full outside off is his weakness, and he's had appalling runs because of it, averaged just around 40 at one point, but he comes through it again and again.
There is also no doubt openers in general average less than middle-order bats, you face the best bowling with the new ball, it's always been the way, you do a great job for your side by being the man to take that challenge on. Yes not-outs do count against you as well. Having said that I don't rate him an ATG, many people just did better then him during his career fgor other countries, same as KP, Gooch, Gower et cetera the last English bat that deserves that call would probably have played in the 50s or 60s. Oh and as for people saying Jimmeh and Cook only scoring the most because of the amount of Tests they've played is ridiculous, we've been playing this many tests for decades, yet people haven't had sufficient stamina to do what they've done. |
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