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International Cricket 2016
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mimik1uk
09-06-2016
Originally Posted by Lojen:
“Do umpires ever give run out decisions on their own anymore? That was miles in.”

thats one of the reasons i have always disagreed with the view that reviews should be down to the umpires discretion rather than the captains having just 2 per innings. we see all the time that if in doubt, and even when there isn't alot of doubt, with runouts they refer it just to be sure so there would have to be a worry they would do the same with all decisions if it was left to them
seansnotmyname@
09-06-2016
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“thats one of the reasons i have always disagreed with the view that reviews should be down to the umpires discretion rather than the captains having just 2 per innings. we see all the time that if in doubt, and even when there isn't alot of doubt, with runouts they refer it just to be sure so there would have to be a worry they would do the same with all decisions if it was left to them”

In the end, it's very easy, just allow the captains to keep them, if it's overturned umpires call. That way you just get rid of the frivolous ones, but umpire call generally means it's a matter of an inch or two.
mimik1uk
09-06-2016
Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@:
“In the end, it's very easy, just allow the captains to keep them, if it's overturned umpires call. That way you just get rid of the frivolous ones, but umpire call generally means it's a matter of an inch or two.”

yeah i've agreed with that for a long time that a referral shouldn't be lost when the decision is upheld via umpires call as you can argue the review was valid

my comment was more about the school of thought that captains shouldn't have to make a decision on a review and it should just be left to the umpires to use the technology when they were in doubt
mimik1uk
09-06-2016
talking about umpire's call decisions, bairstow survives on what must have been a hair's breadth of 50% of the ball hitting the stumps
makeba72
09-06-2016
Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@:
“In the end, it's very easy, just allow the captains to keep them, if it's overturned umpires call. That way you just get rid of the frivolous ones, but umpire call generally means it's a matter of an inch or two.”

I tend to agree, but the counter-argument is that there would be a lot more reviews as teams were less likely to lose them, which would hold up the game.

Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“my comment was more about the school of thought that captains shouldn't have to make a decision on a review and it should just be left to the umpires to use the technology when they were in doubt”

I also tend to agree, but again the counter-argument is that it would ultimately remove the Umpire from the game and take up a lot of time, as they would tend to check everything just to be safe - just as they do with run-outs already, really.

Some say that if the technology is there, then we should use it, whilst others like the idea that the umpires are only human and their fallibility adds to the game.

One change I wonder about is the ability to issue yellow and red cards... it's died down a bit recently, but I think some of the on-field behaviour occasionally merits a formal warning then and there.
mimik1uk
09-06-2016
Originally Posted by makeba72:
“I tend to agree, but the counter-argument is that there would be a lot more reviews as teams were less likely to lose them, which would hold up the game.



I also tend to agree, but again the counter-argument is that it would ultimately remove the Umpire from the game and take up a lot of time, as they would tend to check everything just to be safe - just as they do with run-outs already, really.

Some say that if the technology is there, then we should use it, whilst others like the idea that the umpires are only human and their fallibility adds to the game.

One change I wonder about is the ability to issue yellow and red cards... it's died down a bit recently, but I think some of the on-field behaviour occasionally merits a formal warning then and there.”

i think we have our wires crossed a bit here

i was saying how umpires deal with run-outs is the reason i DONT agree with the argument that all referrals should be left to umpires rather than captains that you often see being suggested
makeba72
09-06-2016
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“i think we have our wires crossed a bit here

i was saying how umpires deal with run-outs is the reason i DONT agree with the argument that all referrals should be left to umpires rather than captains that you often see being suggested”

My apologies.
mimik1uk
09-06-2016
holding just saying on commentary that the data from hawkeye had suggested that only 49.98% of the ball was hitting the stumps and it has to be 50% or higher to be over-turned
mimik1uk
09-06-2016
Originally Posted by makeba72:
“My apologies. ”

no prob
makeba72
09-06-2016
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“no prob ”

Actually, I'd like to review that answer now - can I appeal to the third umpire?
dtcdtcdtc
09-06-2016
Originally Posted by dtcdtcdtc:
“Only catching bits on TMS, seems like it's an excellent batting strip

Think we need a big score from Cook if we are to get past 400”

Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“fixed that last bit for you ”

Oy ye of little faith

Spreads are showing 395 - 405 atm

Would take that now
dtcdtcdtc
09-06-2016
Originally Posted by Lojen:
“Do umpires ever give run out decisions on their own anymore? That was miles in.”

The cynical part of me thinks it's so some (most ?) broadcasters can get extra advertising in
There always seems to be loads of ads when we're playing abroad for sure
mimik1uk
09-06-2016
Originally Posted by dtcdtcdtc:
“Oy ye of little faith

Spreads are showing 395 - 405 atm

Would take that now”

another 200 when next man in is a bowling all-rounder seems quite optimistic
dtcdtcdtc
09-06-2016
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“another 200 when next man in is a bowling all-rounder seems quite optimistic”

I quite agree but our lower half do tend to make more than our top half lately

I think I heard this right on TMS today that in 5 of our last 7 Test match innings we've been at least 4 down before reaching a 100

I'm all for giving chances but I think we need to change things with (at least) one new face and a different batting order
mimik1uk
09-06-2016
Originally Posted by dtcdtcdtc:
“I quite agree but our lower half do tend to make more than our top half lately

I think I heard this right on TMS today that in 5 of our last 7 Test match innings we've been at least 4 down before reaching a 100

I'm all for giving chances but I think we need to change things with (at least) one new face and a different batting order”

i cant see compton surviving, one of the problems is vince has not convinced either, albeit in a very small number of games, so will they want to move him to #3 or not?

depending on what they do with vince, should compton be dropped, will probably then inform who replaces compton
mimik1uk
09-06-2016
not the position cook would have been hoping to be in when he won the toss and chose to bat this morning

227-6

this is one of the reasons why i want to get bairstow up the order, he is the in-form batsman and once stokes comes back i dont want him at #7 where he basically gets one chance to form a partnership with another specialist batsman
dtcdtcdtc
09-06-2016
Not sure why that catch was reviewed. It looked obvious in real time

Not sure when Stokes is due to be fit as that may also have an effect on any proposed changes
mimik1uk
09-06-2016
new ball due in an overs time

if sri lanka can break this partnership tonight they will be really well set given day 2 is usually the best day to bat at lords
makeba72
09-06-2016
From Twitter:

Kumar Sangakkara ‏@KumarSanga2
The Umpires call makes a good review useless. It should be out or not out on review. Otherwise it becomes a bit of a farce

I love his personal tagline: has-been cricketer still plodding along!
mimik1uk
09-06-2016
Originally Posted by makeba72:
“From Twitter:

Kumar Sangakkara ‏@KumarSanga2
The Umpires call makes a good review useless. It should be out or not out on review. Otherwise it becomes a bit of a farce

I love his personal tagline: has-been cricketer still plodding along! ”

i dont mind the umpires call tbh , there is a margin of error with the technology so giving the benefit of the doubt to the onfield umpires original decision on marginal calls is the best way to counter that imo

whether the thresholds for where the umpire's call element kicks in is correct is another matter. that bairstow lbw earlier would have had leg stump knocked out of the ground but he is saved on the basis of 0.02% of the ball's width
alanwarwic
09-06-2016
On the whole, the machinary gets it right to 1 mm making an 'umpires call' very common.

The 'umpires call' is far more frustrating than letting the computer decide 100%.
bradybrady
09-06-2016
Well played Johnny Bairstow

Must be close to a 1000 runs this year already
mimik1uk
09-06-2016
another 100 for bairstow , had a bit of luck along the way today but he really is in great form atm

need to get him up to #5 so he gets more opportunities to form partnerships with proper batsmen

edit : quite annoyed with myself for not picking him in my fantasy team, i like picking keeper/batsmen as you get the points for their catches added to their runs
makeba72
09-06-2016
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“whether the thresholds for where the umpire's call element kicks in is correct is another matter. that bairstow lbw earlier would have had leg stump knocked out of the ground but he is saved on the basis of 0.02% of the ball's width”

I seem to recall that they increased the threshold a while back, in favour of the umpire over the tech, which seemed the wrong thing to do IMO.
mimik1uk
09-06-2016
Originally Posted by makeba72:
“I seem to recall that they increased the threshold a while back, in favour of the umpire over the tech, which seemed the wrong thing to do IMO.”

yeah they changed the point the % was measured from the edge of the stump to the middle of the stump iirc
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