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International Cricket 2016
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bradybrady
10-06-2016
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“that really was a poor drop from bairstow

from woakes' first ball as well”

Not sure his concentration is strong enough yet to bat for 7 hours and then keep wicket
SULLA
10-06-2016
Originally Posted by bradybrady:
“Not sure his concentration is strong enough yet to bat for 7 hours and then keep wicket”

Would you prefer less batting ?
bradybrady
10-06-2016
Originally Posted by SULLA:
“Would you prefer less batting ?”

I'd prefer less keeping
Bhaveshgor
10-06-2016
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“that really was a poor drop from bairstow

from woakes' first ball as well”

He really shouldn't be keeping, a very average keeper and not sure he looks comfortable keeping anyway hard to see him being a top keeper or an ok keeper in the future.


Him batting well should make it easier for the selectors to remove the gloves from him especially with compton or Vince struggling with the bat make it easier to include buttler in the side or any keeper.
Bhaveshgor
10-06-2016
Talking about DRS, about time ICC ban Silicone tape considering it stop the hot spot mark from showing up.
makeba72
10-06-2016
Originally Posted by Bhaveshgor:
“He really shouldn't be keeping, a very average keeper and not sure he looks comfortable keeping anyway hard to see him being a top keeper or an ok keeper in the future.

Him batting well should make it easier for the selectors to remove the gloves from him especially with Compton or Vince struggling with the bat make it easier to include Buttler in the side or any keeper.”

At risk of repeating myself, England have such a strong batting line up that they can easily afford to have a proper wicket keeper in this side. I have never understood why they think it's easier to teach a batter to keep than it is to teach a keeper to bat.

Who know how many runs Bairstow's drop will cost, but I recall previous stats suggesting that Prior's drops cost far more runs than he ever scored.
Bhaveshgor
10-06-2016
TBH most of Prior drops were early on, he was actually an good keeper in the end.
barely made many mistakes in the games he played after 2008/09 period.

Think keepers should make less than 5-6 mistakes in a series, currently bairstow probably average 4-5 a game and top of that keeping from other deliveries looks tough work for him.
makeba72
10-06-2016
Originally Posted by Bhaveshgor:
“TBH most of Prior drops were early on, he was actually an good keeper in the end”

I agree, but I was trying to think about whether Bairstow's runs are worth his keeping mishaps at this stage of his career.

It still seems an odd choice to me, when they could bring in a better keeper and work on his batting, rather than the other way round.
Bhaveshgor
10-06-2016
TBH prior suffered the most in Sri lanka I believe where keeping to the spinners and then the low bounce caused him all sorts of issues plus prior sweated the most I think in the England team so he always had to drink the most water after each session all took a toil on him.

prior was still ok or good outside the Sub C.
Bairstow probably has far more weakness in the keeping than prior did.
dtcdtcdtc
10-06-2016
Good start by Sri Lanka

There must be a fair chance that they could get past England's total by plenty and England would have to bat to save the game.

Wouldn't mind seeing this scenario as it would give the players that are struggling with the bat an opportunity to perform under pressure
Callum Collum
10-06-2016
Yeah, I hope SL can post a big total and make a game of it. I wonder if one wicket would spark a collapse though.
Miss Ann Thropy
10-06-2016
Originally Posted by bradybrady:
“Ok I Hope he does come back”

Me too. Wood wasn't in my immediate thoughts because of his injury.
dtcdtcdtc
10-06-2016
Originally Posted by Callum Collum:
“Yeah, I hope SL can post a big total and make a game of it. I wonder if one wicket would spark a collapse though.”

I think they got a lot of their confidence back in the 2nd inns at Durham

Can see 600+ here on this flat track if overhead conditions don't change
dtcdtcdtc
10-06-2016
Good catch from Bairstow

Let's see how SL react

Hope they stay positive
mimik1uk
10-06-2016
Originally Posted by dtcdtcdtc:
“I think they got a lot of their confidence back in the 2nd inns at Durham

Can see 600+ here on this flat track if overhead conditions don't change”

i know its easy to say things like this with the benefit of hindsight but days 2 and 3 at lords are usually the best times to bat, whereas the first couple of sessions on day one tend to be the best times to bowl

got the breakthrough now at least with bairstow holding on to one
dtcdtcdtc
10-06-2016
Listening to TMS, I didn't realise that Muhammed Ali visited Lords in 1966 and had his picture taken with Sir Garfield Sobers in the West Indies dressing room
mimik1uk
10-06-2016
Originally Posted by dtcdtcdtc:
“Listening to TMS, I didn't realise that Muhammed Ali visited Lords in 1966 and had his picture taken with Sir Garfield Sobers in the West Indies dressing room”

they mentioned it at tea on SKY and showed the photo
dtcdtcdtc
10-06-2016
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“they mentioned it at tea on SKY and showed the photo”

I missed that as I have been at work

Hopefully they'll show it on the Verdict tonight
seansnotmyname@
10-06-2016
Prior much better 'keeper than Bairstow who is fast becoming one of the worst I've seen for England, that drop just appalling.

Not sure Buttler is the answer immediately as he's not played much first-class cricket. Not sure who you'd pick otherwise though, not many candidates. Davies has giving up 'keeping and most of the rest are too old. Ben Foakes might be a shooter, but in the end don't see them taking that type of risk.
alfamale
10-06-2016
Originally Posted by Bhaveshgor:
“TBH prior suffered the most in Sri lanka I believe where keeping to the spinners and then the low bounce caused him all sorts of issues plus prior sweated the most I think in the England team so he always had to drink the most water after each session all took a toil on him.

prior was still ok or good outside the Sub C.
Bairstow probably has far more weakness in the keeping than prior did.”

I do remember Prior been quite poor with the gloves early in his Eng career, with a tour to SL being the low point where he was even dropping plenty of regulation catches off Sidebottom and other seamers. But his improvement from the start to the end of his Test career was quite big and presumably this is what the Eng set-up think they can do with Bairstow and Buttler, especially as to a lesser degree they'd also previously achieved this with Geraint Jones. But Bairstow seems to be showing absolutely no improvement at all with the gloves and it's probably time to move on to the next keeper.
mimik1uk
10-06-2016
i'll just keep repeating what i have been saying for the last couple of days

bairstow is looking so good with the bat that i dont want to burn him out with asking him to keep wicket as well. if he plays as a batsman only and bats higher up the order there is no reason to think he couldn't be averaging up there with root and having that duo at #4/#5 would be extremely strong. it also gives bairstow more opportunities to form partnerships with proper batsmen. it will be incredibly hard for him to maintain an average much over 40 whilst keeping, and when his keeping is a bit of a liability anyway then why risk it impacting on his batting.
Darren Lethem
10-06-2016
Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@:
“Prior much better 'keeper than Bairstow who is fast becoming one of the worst I've seen for England, that drop just appalling.

Not sure Buttler is the answer immediately as he's not played much first-class cricket. Not sure who you'd pick otherwise though, not many candidates. Davies has giving up 'keeping and most of the rest are too old. Ben Foakes might be a shooter, but in the end don't see them taking that type of risk.”

I don't see why Buttler's lack of county games this season should go against him. Doesn't mean to say he will have forgotten how to keep wicket and bat.

My team for first test against Pakistan

Cook
Hales
Vince
Root
Bairstow
Ali
Buttler (k)
Workes
Broad
Finn
Anderson
mimik1uk
10-06-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“I don't see why Buttler's lack of county games this season should go against him. Doesn't mean to say he will have forgotten how to keep wicket and bat.

My team for first test against Pakistan

Cook
Hales
Vince
Root
Bairstow
Ali
Buttler (k)
Workes
Broad
Finn
Anderson”

stokes isn't expected to be fit for the start of the series, so that would be my team as well

as you say i dont think buttler not playing first class cricket should be held against him, he is a confidence player and at the time he was dropped he was burned out after having played in all three formats as keeper for the previous 12 months solid
mimik1uk
10-06-2016
excellent second half of the day for sri lanka

162-1 sets them up well to maybe get a first innings lead and i am not that confident of how our lot will do against herath on what is going to be a dry-ish day 4/day 5 pitch
jazzydrury3
10-06-2016
I'm going to negative here but who goes.

Who decided to have a Test at the Lords, on the weekend when there is the beginning of a major Football Tourament. On a ground which seems to be heading towards a bore draw.

It is funny Lords is always a awful flat track, where they know they are likely to get 5 full days of play, except for a miracle, and a ground which doesn't need the money, yet the first 2 tests, were morealess over at the End on day 2.

I don't get why the commentators, and players, make Lords seem to be a great place, but it is something out of the dark ages, quiet boring no atmosphere, it is like the MCC are wanting test cricket to fail, by having boring cricket, at so say the Home of Cricket, more like the morque of cricket, no fancy dress, mainly just posh nobs, wearing red and yellow ties etc, probably wearing red trousers.

I prefer to watch it when the atmosphere appears on the TV, I'm 41, so I'm not a young one, who feels test matches shouldn't happen, but they should be good for batting and bowling.
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