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SULLA

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by Bhaveshgor:
“TBH most of Prior drops were early on, he was actually an good keeper in the end.
barely made many mistakes in the games he played after 2008/09 period.

Think keepers should make less than 5-6 mistakes in a series, currently bairstow probably average 4-5 a game and top of that keeping from other deliveries looks tough work for him.”

Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@:
“Prior much better 'keeper than Bairstow who is fast becoming one of the worst I've seen for England, that drop just appalling.

Not sure Buttler is the answer immediately as he's not played much first-class cricket. Not sure who you'd pick otherwise though, not many candidates. Davies has giving up 'keeping and most of the rest are too old. Ben Foakes might be a shooter, but in the end don't see them taking that type of risk.”

I guess we have to drop him then.

seansnotmyname@

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by SULLA:
“I guess we have to drop him then. ”

Who said we should drop him, just not let him wear the 'keepers gloves.

Bhaveshgor

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by jazzydrury3:
“I'm going to negative here but who goes.

Who decided to have a Test at the Lords, on the weekend when there is the beginning of a major Football Tourament. On a ground which seems to be heading towards a bore draw.

It is funny Lords is always a awful flat track, where they know they are likely to get 5 full days of play, except for a miracle, and a ground which doesn't need the money, yet the first 2 tests, were morealess over at the End on day 2.

I don't get why the commentators, and players, make Lords seem to be a great place, but it is something out of the dark ages, quiet boring no atmosphere, it is like the MCC are wanting test cricket to fail, by having boring cricket, at so say the Home of Cricket, more like the morque of cricket, no fancy dress, mainly just posh nobs, wearing red and yellow ties etc, probably wearing red trousers.

I prefer to watch it when the atmosphere appears on the TV, I'm 41, so I'm not a young one, who feels test matches shouldn't happen, but they should be good for batting and bowling.”

Lords best atmosphere tend to be on day 5 when the posh knobs and members don't really go to it.
2009 lords Ashes test and 2011 india test had an incredible atmosphere.
2011 india test was a sell out on the last day as well which doesn't often happen at test grounds in this country.
Think the 2011 was the highest day 5 lords attendance as well.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/tomfordyc...to_savour.html
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ckets-sell-out

in terms of atmosphere think Trent bridge is one of the best and edgbaston can be quite good as well.
lord should get a good atmosphere but the price and it being so difficult to get tickets makes the people likelier to make the noise and atmosphere not actually be there at the ground.

seansnotmyname@

10-06-2016

I don't mind the tradition TBH, but yeah the pitch is a horrible pudding should be dug up.

davethecue

10-06-2016

It seems to have gone this way since they put the new drainage system in

Plus points are the rain delays aren't that long against the minus points of flat track cricket

Strangely, though, when the overhead conditions are right, it's a big advantage to the bowlers

SULLA

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@:
“Who said we should drop him, just not let him wear the 'keepers gloves.”

In the past few years we have had excellent keeps like Read and Foster who couldn't get a look in. They were not mugs with the bat either.

Bhaveshgor

10-06-2016

When I been to lords the members tend to get most of the stick although mostly been to the T20 games at lords.

A lot of that is because the members don't join in the chants or Mexican waves or anything the crowd does.

mimik1uk

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@:
“I don't mind the tradition TBH, but yeah the pitch is a horrible pudding should be dug up.”

in the previous 15 tests at lords there have only been 2 draws , thats probably as good a ratio as anywhere

Bhaveshgor

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by davethecue:
“It seems to have gone this way since they put the new drainage system in

Plus points are the rain delays aren't that long against the minus points of flat track cricket

Strangely, though, when the overhead conditions are right, it's a big advantage to the bowlers”

TBH it actually isn't at lords, haven't seen cloud cover or Overcast condition have any effect at lords.
the only test where lords was a low scoring game was the 2014 very very green deck game.

The only way bowlers get wickets at lords is the slope or batsman mistake, ball barely seams or turns and the ball just doesn't really swing at lords even at that very green deck at lords can't actually remember most ball misbehaving like you would expect on that very green deck.

lords been very slow, no turn, no bounce, no seam movement and what ever reason the ball doesn't swing either.

Bhaveshgor

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“in the previous 15 tests at lords there have only been 2 draws , thats probably as good a ratio as anywhere”

TBH most test in the world tend to be results now, rarely any game end in a draw now.
Suppose their no harm in the pitches if the game end in a result, but not sure the england team want those pitches.

mimik1uk

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by Bhaveshgor:
“TBH most test in the world tend to be results now, rarely any game end in a draw now.
Suppose their no harm in the pitches if the game end in a result, but not sure the england team want those pitches.”

a 13-2 record is still pretty good considering the weather in england

davethecue

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by Bhaveshgor:
“TBH it actually isn't at lords, haven't seen cloud cover or Overcast condition have any effect at lords.
the only test where lords was a low scoring game was the 2014 very very green deck game.

The only way bowlers get wickets at lords is the slope or batsman mistake, ball barely seams or turns and the ball just doesn't really swing at lords even at that very green deck at lords can't actually remember most ball misbehaving like you would expect on that very green deck.

lords been very slow, no turn, no bounce, no seam movement and what ever reason the ball doesn't swing either.”

That's not the impression I have . I haven't any stats to back this up but I'm sure with the right atmospheric conditions that the ball zips all over the place or am I just remembering the Gillette Cup where teams were usually 50/6 after an hour...

Callum Collum

10-06-2016

I don't see the management taking the gloves off Bairstow for the Pakistan series. They like to give guys a real good chance at something which is generally a sound policy. Maybe after that series they should review.

seansnotmyname@

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“in the previous 15 tests at lords there have only been 2 draws , thats probably as good a ratio as anywhere”

I just think the slowness of the pitch is not conducive for interesting cricket. As others have said when it's cloudy it does seem to swing more than it ever did, hence why the poor British weather helps us get results here, rather than hinders, but when the suns up, gawd is it dull.

Bhaveshgor

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by davethecue:
“That's not the impression I have . I haven't any stats to back this up but I'm sure with the right atmospheric conditions that the ball zips all over the place or am I just remembering the Gillette Cup where teams were usually 50/6 after an hour...”

might be the one day cup finals, but that all because of the September effect, September is a horrible time to play cricket especially at 10 am in the morning.

can't see many examples of it in test matches.
first innings - 4th innings totals are high at lords.

SULLA

10-06-2016

Originally Posted by Callum Collum:
“I don't see the management taking the gloves off Bairstow for the Pakistan series. They like to give guys a real good chance at something which is generally a sound policy. Maybe after that series they should review.”

The facts are that Bairstow has taken shedloads of catches.

dtcdtcdtc

11-06-2016

Congratulations to Alistair Cook with a CBE and Stuart Broad with an MBE in the Queen's Birthday Honours
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/36498359

Darren Lethem

11-06-2016

Fascinating Saturday Debate this morning on The Spirit of Cricket. Really interesting

gomezz

11-06-2016

Follows on from the TMS Thursday lunch interval covering Brendon McCullum's talk on this topic.

mimik1uk

11-06-2016

was about to say i was a little surprised to see woakes rather than anderson start of this morning with broad and he gets a wicket with his first ball

davethecue

11-06-2016

Good start for England with Mendis out first ball of Woakes first over

davethecue

11-06-2016

Silva out now as well caught by the keeper for 9th time in a row

!66/3

davethecue

11-06-2016

6/2 in 7 overs so far this morning

Looks a lot more tricky batting today

davethecue

11-06-2016

Make that 6/3 in 8 overs

mimik1uk

11-06-2016

i had reservations about whether woakes was good enough for this level but last couple of games he is starting to convince me

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