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With the skipper injured, JB is back on the field. Can't have had much of a rest
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I wouldn't be surprised if the usual suspects came on calling for Vince to be dropped too. Certainly not for me. Far too early
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I wouldn't be surprised if the usual suspects came on calling for Vince to be dropped too. Certainly not for me. Far too early
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Surely the point of a team game is that when one of the team is going through a bad run then the other players carry the performance over. All players go through bad runs. I think that a lot of the calls for dropping players are media driven.
We talk about dropping the likes of Compton or Vince but who is there to replace them? To put this into context my football team, AFC Wimbledon, after losing to 2-1 to Stevenage and going eight games without a win and sitting lower mid table had some of our fans calling for our manager's head. We kept him on, had a good second half of a season and got promoted. |
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I wouldn't be surprised if the usual suspects came on calling for Vince to be dropped too. Certainly not for me. Far too early
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I wouldn't be surprised if the usual suspects came on calling for Vince to be dropped too. Certainly not for me. Far too early
So there is likely a certain determination by selectors to stick with him. Me, I am as ever bemused how he even got in the side, the glimmering of international standard being ever so faint. |
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Surely the point of a team game is that when one of the team is going through a bad run then the other players carry the performance over. All players go through bad runs. I think that a lot of the calls for dropping players are media driven.
We talk about dropping the likes of Compton or Vince but who is there to replace them? To put this into context my football team, AFC Wimbledon, after losing to 2-1 to Stevenage and going eight games without a win and sitting lower mid table had some of our fans calling for our manager's head. We kept him on, had a good second half of a season and got promoted. i would counter your opening point by saying that surely its the responsibility of the selectors and coaches to put the best XI possible on the pitch and not just keep picking someone who is underperforming lastly, a manager is very different to a player |
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compton has looked unconvincing for almost all his england career , even when he got the back to back hundreds against NZ they were pretty scrappy
i would counter your opening point by saying that surely its the responsibility of the selectors and coaches to put the best XI possible on the pitch and not just keep picking someone who is underperforming lastly, a manager is very different to a player I am not too clued up on the county scene outside Surrey so who do we have waiting in the wings to replace the likes of Compton and Vince. It is one thing to say drop them but who can we replace them with who will be demonstratively better? |
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Compton has failed to get a 50 in his last 18 Innings.
He has shown no form at all this season, and I think the problem is in his head. Never rated him and he has lived up to my expectations. I would be surprised if he plays another Test this summer. Vince deserves longer as he can be a decent batsman, and has a better temperament. Westley from Essex would be worth a try, to replace Compton. |
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If you look at the England football team we are starting with Kane and Rooney. But if they fail then we have Vardy, Sturridge and Rashford to step in.
I am not too clued up on the county scene outside Surrey so who do we have waiting in the wings to replace the likes of Compton and Vince. It is one thing to say drop them but who can we replace them with who will be demonstratively better? james hildreth who scored almost 1400 runs in the county championship last year and is averaging over 60 in first class cricket this year you have the option of promoting bairstow and bringing back buttler to keep mark stoneman is having a decent year and was meant to be on the fringes last year, and you have a young guy like bell-drummond who is having a great year even tho i think its too early for him edit : just to add that since compton was recalled he is averaging under 25 with just one fifty, i dont think it would be too hard to be "demonstratively better" than that |
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Surely the point of a team game is that when one of the team is going through a bad run then the other players carry the performance over. All players go through bad runs. I think that a lot of the calls for dropping players are media driven.
We talk about dropping the likes of Compton or Vince but who is there to replace them? To put this into context my football team, AFC Wimbledon, after losing to 2-1 to Stevenage and going eight games without a win and sitting lower mid table had some of our fans calling for our manager's head. We kept him on, had a good second half of a season and got promoted. Scott Borthwick has scored tons of runs for Durham at 3, also gives us a bit of a leg-spin option (yet TBH that shouldn't really be much of a factor, he's just done better with the bat then everyone else at 3). In the end where does it stop being "fair" to carry on with Compo, and unfair to not give people like Robson and Borthwick who are churning out the runs in the Championship. Sam Robson was only giving 7 matches, but his record is better than Straigtouttas, he clearly wasn't shown the loyalty. Should be said though, 7 isn't a bad run either. Ballance's record is infinitely better, but he seems to have forgotten how to cricket. |
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scott borthwick who scored almost 1300 runs in the county championship last year at #3 and is averaging over 70 this year in first class cricket
james hildreth who scored almost 1400 runs in the county championship last year and is averaging over 60 in first class cricket this year you have the option of promoting bairstow and bringing back buttler to keep mark stoneman is having a decent year and was meant to be on the fringes last year, and you have a young guy like bell-drummond who is having a great year even tho i think its too early for him edit : just to add that since compton was recalled he is averaging under 25 with just one fifty, i dont think it would be too hard to be "demonstratively better" than that There are a few encouraging youngsters around, Joe Clarke, Kohler-Cadmore from Worcs, Burnham from Durham are very good too. Oh, and I've given up on my HildyforEngland stance, it's been almost a decade of hitting my head against a brick wall, which is probably why my posting is so crap. |
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You've said a lot of what I've said afterwards. On Bell-Drummond, I think he will play for England many times, but this is his first break-out season, I wouldn't mind him getting a run-out in limited-overs, but not Tests against the likes of Amir.
There are a few encouraging youngsters around, Joe Clarke, Kohler-Cadmore from Worcs, Burnham from Durham are very good too. Oh, and I've given up on my HildyforEngland stance, it's been almost a decade of hitting my head against a brick wall, which is probably why my posting is so crap. |
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i haven't seen alot of him but what i have seen of bell-drummond he looks like a real talent, spoken of fairly highly by a few pundits as well. he is probably at least a year away from playing test cricket and whilst i agree maybe introducing him via one-dayers would be a good move its probably harder to get a spot as a batsman in the one day team than the test team atm
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Wasn't particularly worried about Cook's absence but Pradeep has just bowled his 3rd victim
Hales , not for the first time this summer, holding things together Finn comes out as nightwatchman to protect Moeen |
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Wasn't particularly worried about Cook's absence but Pradeep has just bowled his 3rd victim
Hales , not for the first time this summer, holding things together Finn comes out as nightwatchman to protect Moeen |
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and now Hales is dropped and the next ball bisects the keeper and the slips
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Wasn't particularly worried about Cook's absence but Pradeep has just bowled his 3rd victim
Hales , not for the first time this summer, holding things together Finn comes out as nightwatchman to protect Moeen |
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Well the nightwatchman makes sense, because Cook can come in fall of next wicket.
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Good thinking, hadn't thought of that
Mind you it probably put's Broad in the position he deserves. Pradeep can be pretty sharp can't he? |
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i'm not a fan of the night-watchman either but i think in this situation it was probably the right call
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wonder how long nasser has been waiting to use that line today
"cook's gone from the CBE this morning to the A&E this afternoon" |
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i'm not a fan of the night-watchman either but i think in this situation it was probably the right call
I think there are select times when it's very advantageous to have one, but not every bloody time a wicket falls close to the end. |
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Compton has failed to get a 50 in his last 18 Innings.
He has shown no form at all this season, and I think the problem is in his head. Never rated him and he has lived up to my expectations. I would be surprised if he plays another Test this summer. Vince deserves longer as he can be a decent batsman, and has a better temperament. Westley from Essex would be worth a try, to replace Compton. |
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The difference for Vince was that he was not even in form when picked.
So there is likely a certain determination by selectors to stick with him. Me, I am as ever bemused how he even got in the side, the glimmering of international standard being ever so faint. |
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