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Old 05-08-2016, 10:23
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Yes, it's on Eurosport (2 I think)

Tea is due in one over so it may not be on when you tune in !!
Thanks very much. I'll give it a go.
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Old 05-08-2016, 10:39
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At the moment Jimmy has 459 and Stuart has 352.

Let's hope they get some more in the first hour of play tomorrow.
Blimey, i had no idea Jimmy had got so many too. He really pushed on after beating Beefy's record

interesting point on commentary yesterday ( think it was Nasser and Shane Warne ) about Moeen Ali. Why not just play him as a front line batsman, maybe in for Vince for example and use him as a batsmen who can turn his arm over ( like Root ) and bring in Rashid as main spinner.

It is a worry that we have no world class offy at the moment.
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Old 05-08-2016, 10:49
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Blimey, i had no idea Jimmy had got so many too. He really pushed on after beating Beefy's record

interesting point on commentary yesterday ( think it was Nasser and Shane Warne ) about Moeen Ali. Why not just play him as a front line batsman, maybe in for Vince for example and use him as a batsmen who can turn his arm over ( like Root ) and bring in Rashid as main spinner.

It is a worry that we have no world class offy at the moment.
this winter with tours to bangladesh and india we are going to have to play ali and rashid but i would expect them to do that at the expense of one of the seamers

i wouldn't have been unhappy with what you suggested, especially with stokes being out and have ali fill the all-rounder role. i think my question would still be would we need ali, rashid and 4 seamers giving such a long tail. i know woakes and rashid are both ok with the bat but i'm not sure we need 6 bowling options plus root.

if you need that many bowling options it suggests that your best 4 bowlers aren't doing their job
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Old 05-08-2016, 10:54
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interesting point on commentary yesterday ( think it was Nasser and Shane Warne ) about Moeen Ali. Why not just play him as a front line batsman, maybe in for Vince for example and use him as a batsmen who can turn his arm over ( like Root ) and bring in Rashid as main spinner.

It is a worry that we have no world class offy at the moment.
I was going to post something similar, but you got there before me. Apart from Borthwick, I`m not sure there are many English batsmen knocking down the door for selection, so with Vince underperforming, I reckon Ali could and should be moved up.

i wouldn't have been unhappy with what you suggested, especially with stokes being out and have ali fill the all-rounder role. i think my question would still be would we need ali, rashid and 4 seamers giving such a long tail. i know woakes and rashid are both ok with the bat but i'm not sure we need 6 bowling options plus root.

if you need that many bowling options it suggests that your best 4 bowlers aren't doing their job
I have said this before, but I don't understand that kind of response. If someone can bat, they can bat. Does it make a difference that they can bowl, too? Does that preclude them from being in the side? I just don't get it. What's the problem with having more bowling options, just so long as we have the best batsmen in the right places?
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Old 05-08-2016, 10:59
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I was going to post something similar, but you got there before me. Apart from Borthwick, I`m not sure there are many English batsmen knocking down the door for selection, so with Vince underperforming, I reckon Ali could and should be moved up.



I have said this before, but I don't understand that kind of response. If someone can bat, they can bat. Does it make a difference that they can bowl, too? Does that preclude them from being in the side? I just don't get it. What's the problem with having more bowling options, just so long as we have the best batsmen in the right places?
i think its quite clear

would ali get in to the team on his batting alone, no he wouldn't

we dont pick people to fail, but saying we should just let ali bat in the top 6 when he is not good enough to bat there on merit shouldn't be the answer, we shouldn't be having to gimp our batting to get 6 bowling options into the team, we should be backing the people we pick as specialist batsmen to do what they are selected to do

if vince and/or ballance are deemed to be not good enough then replace them with someone who isn't just getting a game because he gives us a bowling option when he wouldn't get picked otherwise
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Old 05-08-2016, 11:02
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i think its quite clear

would ali get in to the team on his batting alone, no he wouldn't

we dont pick people to fail, but saying we should just let ali bat in the top 6 when he is not good enough to bat there on merit shouldn't be the answer, we shouldn't be having to gimp our batting to get 6 bowling options into the team, we should be backing the people we pick as specialist batsmen to do what they are selected to do
There is a lot there to agree with, but I think whether Ali is good enough for the top 6 is open to debate. I certainly think that he is just as good as either Ballance of Vince at the moment, for example.

You didn't really answer the point about your comment on the number of bowling options. I still see that as neither here nor there.
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Old 05-08-2016, 11:03
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i think its quite clear

would ali get in to the team on his batting alone, no he wouldn't

we dont pick people to fail, but saying we should just let ali bat in the top 6 when he is not good enough to bat there on merit shouldn't be the answer, we shouldn't be having to gimp our batting to get 6 bowling options into the team, we should be backing the people we pick as specialist batsmen to do what they are selected to do

if vince and/or ballance are deemed to be not good enough then replace them with someone who isn't just getting a game because he gives us a bowling option when he wouldn't get picked otherwise
That is debatable. He was picked for his batting originally
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Old 05-08-2016, 11:06
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I find it a major problem that Rashid will be starting his international career abroad.

It is far easier to start in the conditions they know best, that being English.
It is a shame as there were opportunities for both Bortwick and Rashid.

Vince has not even got to an optimistic average of 30 batting yet. The Borthwick option is a double opportunity missed.
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Old 05-08-2016, 11:11
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That is debatable. He was picked for his batting originally
i would debate whether that is true and whether he would have been picked if he didn't provide a spin option given he was the only spinner selected

but even then if you look at the balance of the team he played in when he made his debut he was the all-rounder with 4 specialist bowlers. what we are almost talking about now is playing him as an all-rounder and having 5 other bowlers

i just think that balance is wrong and if you look at the history of test cricket and the sides that have had most success i doubt you will find many that went into games with just 4 specialist batsmen
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Old 05-08-2016, 11:14
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You didn't really answer the point about your comment on the number of bowling options. I still see that as neither here nor there.
again i thought that was clear, if someone is good enough to be selected as a batsman and gives you the luxury of being good enough to be more than just a part-time bowler then great. but dont pick someone who isn't good enough to get in the team on batting alone just to be able to say "look at all the bowling options we have now" when in reality if you need more than 4 bowlers with some part-time backup then you probably have a bigger problem
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Old 05-08-2016, 11:20
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Listening to TMS

Tuffers said that Jimmy got into his lift this morning and he asked jimmy to move a few inches to the right,,,,,,

He said Jimmy smiled
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Old 05-08-2016, 11:21
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anyway back to the cricket itself

really important first hour for us here, need to get a few wickets when the ball is still relatively new or could be facing a sizeable first innings deficit
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Old 05-08-2016, 11:28
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i would debate whether that is true and whether he would have been picked if he didn't provide a spin option given he was the only spinner selected

but even then if you look at the balance of the team he played in when he made his debut he was the all-rounder with 4 specialist bowlers. what we are almost talking about now is playing him as an all-rounder and having 5 other bowlers

i just think that balance is wrong and if you look at the history of test cricket and the sides that have had most success i doubt you will find many that went into games with just 4 specialist batsmen
I don't think i am probably out of turn here when i say you are possibly the most opinionated of posters in this thread. A lot of posts start with 'i'm not sure about' or 'i would have' so what would be your XI ?

This isn't a criticism by the way, because you always qualify your points.
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Old 05-08-2016, 11:29
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I don't think i am probably out of turn here when i say you are possibly the most opinionated of posters in this thread. A lot of posts start with 'i'm not sure about' or 'i would have' so what would be your XI ?

This isn't a criticism by the way, because you always qualify your points.
with the players available for this game i would have replaced finn with rashid
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Old 05-08-2016, 11:34
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not a great delivery again from anderson that gets a wicket, they all count tho

oops : woakes not anderson
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Old 05-08-2016, 11:35
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Good decision to start with Woakes this morning over Broad (would have been my choice)
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Old 05-08-2016, 12:16
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Excellent 100 for Azhar Ali and a bit of luck for my fantasy team as I meant to transfer him out but forgot to do it

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I transferred him for Asad Shafiq who is now sure to get a duck
What did I tell you...
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Old 05-08-2016, 12:44
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Australia getting mullerred

10-2 chasing 413 to win

20 wickets (so far.....) today

EDIT 10-3 as Kawaja leaves a staight one and is bowled first ball
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Old 05-08-2016, 12:46
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32 wickets in 2 days of cricket is crazy still it's always good to see Australia getting a hammering
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Old 05-08-2016, 12:50
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32 wickets in 2 days of cricket is crazy still it's always good to see Australia getting a hammering
Always warms the heart
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Old 05-08-2016, 12:59
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Gonna get up early tomorrow to watch that tomorrow Australia to get nipped out for less then 100
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Old 05-08-2016, 13:01
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not a terrible first session but certainly not what we were hoping for

bowled better than yesterday but really cant afford to let pakistan get 100+ ahead
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Old 05-08-2016, 14:22
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Didn't realise you could be run out by the elbow
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Old 05-08-2016, 14:27
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Didn't realise you could be run out by the elbow
it does look a bit dodgy but the rule is that as long as the ball is in his control any part of the arm can break the stumps i think
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Old 05-08-2016, 14:30
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good little spell for us, amir gone as well now, hopefully can keep the lead under 100
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