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Yes, it's on Eurosport (2 I think)
Tea is due in one over so it may not be on when you tune in !! |
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At the moment Jimmy has 459 and Stuart has 352.
Let's hope they get some more in the first hour of play tomorrow. ![]() interesting point on commentary yesterday ( think it was Nasser and Shane Warne ) about Moeen Ali. Why not just play him as a front line batsman, maybe in for Vince for example and use him as a batsmen who can turn his arm over ( like Root ) and bring in Rashid as main spinner. It is a worry that we have no world class offy at the moment. |
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Blimey, i had no idea Jimmy had got so many too. He really pushed on after beating Beefy's record
interesting point on commentary yesterday ( think it was Nasser and Shane Warne ) about Moeen Ali. Why not just play him as a front line batsman, maybe in for Vince for example and use him as a batsmen who can turn his arm over ( like Root ) and bring in Rashid as main spinner. It is a worry that we have no world class offy at the moment. i wouldn't have been unhappy with what you suggested, especially with stokes being out and have ali fill the all-rounder role. i think my question would still be would we need ali, rashid and 4 seamers giving such a long tail. i know woakes and rashid are both ok with the bat but i'm not sure we need 6 bowling options plus root. if you need that many bowling options it suggests that your best 4 bowlers aren't doing their job |
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interesting point on commentary yesterday ( think it was Nasser and Shane Warne ) about Moeen Ali. Why not just play him as a front line batsman, maybe in for Vince for example and use him as a batsmen who can turn his arm over ( like Root ) and bring in Rashid as main spinner.
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i wouldn't have been unhappy with what you suggested, especially with stokes being out and have ali fill the all-rounder role. i think my question would still be would we need ali, rashid and 4 seamers giving such a long tail. i know woakes and rashid are both ok with the bat but i'm not sure we need 6 bowling options plus root.
if you need that many bowling options it suggests that your best 4 bowlers aren't doing their job |
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I was going to post something similar, but you got there before me. Apart from Borthwick, I`m not sure there are many English batsmen knocking down the door for selection, so with Vince underperforming, I reckon Ali could and should be moved up.
I have said this before, but I don't understand that kind of response. If someone can bat, they can bat. Does it make a difference that they can bowl, too? Does that preclude them from being in the side? I just don't get it. What's the problem with having more bowling options, just so long as we have the best batsmen in the right places? would ali get in to the team on his batting alone, no he wouldn't we dont pick people to fail, but saying we should just let ali bat in the top 6 when he is not good enough to bat there on merit shouldn't be the answer, we shouldn't be having to gimp our batting to get 6 bowling options into the team, we should be backing the people we pick as specialist batsmen to do what they are selected to do if vince and/or ballance are deemed to be not good enough then replace them with someone who isn't just getting a game because he gives us a bowling option when he wouldn't get picked otherwise |
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i think its quite clear
would ali get in to the team on his batting alone, no he wouldn't we dont pick people to fail, but saying we should just let ali bat in the top 6 when he is not good enough to bat there on merit shouldn't be the answer, we shouldn't be having to gimp our batting to get 6 bowling options into the team, we should be backing the people we pick as specialist batsmen to do what they are selected to do You didn't really answer the point about your comment on the number of bowling options. I still see that as neither here nor there. |
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i think its quite clear
would ali get in to the team on his batting alone, no he wouldn't we dont pick people to fail, but saying we should just let ali bat in the top 6 when he is not good enough to bat there on merit shouldn't be the answer, we shouldn't be having to gimp our batting to get 6 bowling options into the team, we should be backing the people we pick as specialist batsmen to do what they are selected to do if vince and/or ballance are deemed to be not good enough then replace them with someone who isn't just getting a game because he gives us a bowling option when he wouldn't get picked otherwise |
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I find it a major problem that Rashid will be starting his international career abroad.
It is far easier to start in the conditions they know best, that being English. It is a shame as there were opportunities for both Bortwick and Rashid. Vince has not even got to an optimistic average of 30 batting yet. The Borthwick option is a double opportunity missed. |
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That is debatable. He was picked for his batting originally
but even then if you look at the balance of the team he played in when he made his debut he was the all-rounder with 4 specialist bowlers. what we are almost talking about now is playing him as an all-rounder and having 5 other bowlers i just think that balance is wrong and if you look at the history of test cricket and the sides that have had most success i doubt you will find many that went into games with just 4 specialist batsmen |
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You didn't really answer the point about your comment on the number of bowling options. I still see that as neither here nor there. |
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Listening to TMS
Tuffers said that Jimmy got into his lift this morning and he asked jimmy to move a few inches to the right,,,,,, ![]() He said Jimmy smiled
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anyway back to the cricket itself
really important first hour for us here, need to get a few wickets when the ball is still relatively new or could be facing a sizeable first innings deficit |
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i would debate whether that is true and whether he would have been picked if he didn't provide a spin option given he was the only spinner selected
but even then if you look at the balance of the team he played in when he made his debut he was the all-rounder with 4 specialist bowlers. what we are almost talking about now is playing him as an all-rounder and having 5 other bowlers i just think that balance is wrong and if you look at the history of test cricket and the sides that have had most success i doubt you will find many that went into games with just 4 specialist batsmen This isn't a criticism by the way, because you always qualify your points. |
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I don't think i am probably out of turn here when i say you are possibly the most opinionated of posters in this thread. A lot of posts start with 'i'm not sure about' or 'i would have' so what would be your XI ?
This isn't a criticism by the way, because you always qualify your points. |
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not a great delivery again from anderson that gets a wicket, they all count tho
oops : woakes not anderson |
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Good decision to start with Woakes this morning over Broad (would have been my choice)
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Excellent 100 for Azhar Ali and a bit of luck for my fantasy team as I meant to transfer him out but forgot to do it
![]() /QUOTE] I transferred him for Asad Shafiq who is now sure to get a duck ![]()
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Australia getting mullerred
![]() 10-2 chasing 413 to win 20 wickets (so far.....) today EDIT 10-3 as Kawaja leaves a staight one and is bowled first ball |
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32 wickets in 2 days of cricket is crazy still it's always good to see Australia getting a hammering
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32 wickets in 2 days of cricket is crazy still it's always good to see Australia getting a hammering
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Gonna get up early tomorrow to watch that tomorrow Australia to get nipped out for less then 100
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not a terrible first session but certainly not what we were hoping for
bowled better than yesterday but really cant afford to let pakistan get 100+ ahead |
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Didn't realise you could be run out by the elbow
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Didn't realise you could be run out by the elbow
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good little spell for us, amir gone as well now, hopefully can keep the lead under 100
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