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mavreela
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“the system is not meant to ensure every decision is 100% correct, it is there to eliminate bad decisions”

Then should have said that and not have instead claimed that if something is shown definitively then it is not conclusive because it was not instantly apparent.

I did not comment on how the system is designed of whether it is working as such. But neither did you.
mimik1uk
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Thomas007:
“Why do so many people scoff at the idea of England getting back to number 1?

I'd say, if/when they win this series, and possibly defeat India in the winter, surely its on?”

we struggle playing against spin and dont really have good quality spin bowling ourselves, india will have us playing on dustbowls

its going to be a big ask to beat india in those circumstances

look at sri lanka, we beat them comfortably here just a few weeks ago and they have just beaten australia at home because of the advantage of home conditions, we will be facing the same thing in india that australia have just faced in sri lanka
mimik1uk
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by mavreela:
“Then should have said that and not have instead claimed that if something is shown definitively then it is not conclusive because it was not instantly apparent.

I did not comment on how the system is designed of whether it is working as such. But neither did you.”

i shouldn't have to say how the system is designed to work as that should be a given ...
mimik1uk
06-08-2016
last thing we need here if root has to go off because of back problems
jcafcw
06-08-2016
I for one would be happy to see the reviews disappear. Take the rough with the smooth. In most LBW decisions the umpires have been proven to have given the correct decision within reasonable doubt.

There was the Yasir decision correctly given when the LBW pitched just outside leg stump. But if Hales had of been out after he missed the ball and it would have been hitting could he of had any real complaints seeing as he missed the shot?

If an umpire is consistently giving howlers then address that. But ridding the game of errors could rob the game of character.
seansnotmyname@
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by jcafcw:
“I for one would be happy to see the reviews disappear. Take the rough with the smooth. In most LBW decisions the umpires have been proven to have given the correct decision within reasonable doubt.

There was the Yasir decision correctly given when the LBW pitched just outside leg stump. But if Hales had of been out after he missed the ball and it would have been hitting could he of had any real complaints seeing as he missed the shot?

If an umpire is consistently giving howlers then address that. But ridding the game of errors could rob the game of character.”

I for one completely disagree. Better decisions=better games. I don't want howlers to stop batsmen's innings or to negate bowlers good play.
mimik1uk
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@:
“I for one completely disagree. Better decisions=better games. I don't want howlers to stop batsmen's innings or to negate bowlers good play.”

i agree but its also got to be about balance and you also lose something from the game if there are big delays because the 3rd umpire wants to look at things 10x from every conceivable angle
SULLA
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Keyser_Soze1:
“Not for an opener in my opinion.

So (for example) Boycott, Gooch, Greenidge, Langer or Smith were not world class?

I think they were.”

I accept what you say. However a player can be world class at different stages of his career and not others
SULLA
06-08-2016
Root gets out that way a bit too often.
mb@2day
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by SULLA:
“Root gets out that way a bit too often. ”

I cant forgive him Sulla, he's too talented for these lame dismissals. One big hundred doesnt give him the right to play lax for the other tests. Thats two in this test, other batsmen would rightly get hammered for playing like that.
mimik1uk
06-08-2016
i think he'll know himself he needs to be converting more of these 50s into 100s as its big 100s that wins matches but still hard to be too critical when he is averaging the best part of 60 this year

vince still in the nervous 30s
jcafcw
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by SULLA:
“Root gets out that way a bit too often. ”

He does have a back injury. In a way would rather him in the pavilion than batting on remorselessly. No point in him fielding either.
seansnotmyname@
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by jcafcw:
“He does have a back injury. In a way would rather him in the pavilion than batting on remorselessly. No point in him fielding either.”

Yep, he clearly wasn't right all innings, think he did well to guts it out really, when he came in we were in trouble.
ThomasStirk
06-08-2016
Oh dear James Vince caught in the slips once again in the 40's
mimik1uk
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by ThomasStirk:
“Oh dear James Vince caught in the slips once again in the 40's”

the new ian bell
SULLA
06-08-2016
Two and half hours left. I make that 30 overs
mimik1uk
06-08-2016
5 down now with a lead of 179 , really need around another 100 runs you would think
jcafcw
06-08-2016
Boycott is discussing the best time to declare as to giving us a chance to win the match.

I heard a Sir Garfield Sobers documentary on TMS this week where he said the spirit of the game is more important than winning the test match.

Should we follow his example and declare at a time when both teams have a chance of winning. Of course if we declare too late then Pakistan will just defend out a draw. They are stating that England being bowled out could give us a better chance of winning as Pakistan may go for it more.
mimik1uk
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by jcafcw:
“Boycott is discussing the best time to declare as to giving us a chance to win the match.

I heard a Sir Garfield Sobers documentary on TMS this week where he said the spirit of the game is more important than winning the test match.

Should we follow his example and declare at a time when both teams have a chance of winning. Of course if we declare too late then Pakistan will just defend out a draw. They are stating that England being bowled out could give us a better chance of winning as Pakistan may go for it more.”

if given the option i doubt cook will be very generous with a declaration, not sure it will come down to that tho as we would still have to be batting until close to lunch tomorrow before it would even be considered
Darren Lethem
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by jcafcw:
“Boycott is discussing the best time to declare as to giving us a chance to win the match.

I heard a Sir Garfield Sobers documentary on TMS this week where he said the spirit of the game is more important than winning the test match.

Should we follow his example and declare at a time when both teams have a chance of winning. Of course if we declare too late then Pakistan will just defend out a draw. They are stating that England being bowled out could give us a better chance of winning as Pakistan may go for it more.”

Different era. There is much more emphasis on winning a test series these days. Need a lead of 300 at least for me
SULLA
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“if given the option i doubt cook will be very generous with a declaration, not sure it will come down to that tho as we would still have to be batting until close to lunch tomorrow before it would even be considered”

You normally set the opposition at least 4 an over
mimik1uk
06-08-2016
cracking partnership this from bairstow and ali, upped the pace well, could be close to 300 ahead by stumps
SULLA
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“cracking partnership this from bairstow and ali, upped the pace well, could be close to 300 ahead by stumps”

Bairstow is now a proper test batter. Ali has done very well this game with the bat. The question is, can he get wickets in the second innings?
davethecue
06-08-2016
Hills Betting Live

13/8 England
8/15 Draw
20/1 Pakistan
jake1981
06-08-2016
This is where those lost overs become important

Would love England to declare overnight so that we get a chance of a 2nd new ball to bowl at the tail (hopefully)

If we were 10 overs further down the road, the lead would possibly be approaching 350
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