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International Cricket 2016
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jake1981
06-08-2016
Stuart Broad padded up as night watchman

Maybe it's a rota....
jcafcw
06-08-2016
I think we should go for it.

If we lose, we lose. Would rather that than the match peetering out for a draw as we will probably won't declare until about 12 and be a couple of wickets short.
SULLA
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by jcafcw:
“I think we should go for it.

If we lose, we lose. Would rather that than the match peetering out for a draw as we will probably won't declare until about 12 and be a couple of wickets short.”

The problem I have is that the pitch is still good. I would wait till they need 4 an over based on a 90 over day.
ThomasStirk
06-08-2016
Superb from Jonny and Mo the draw is safe declare overnight and push for the win
seansnotmyname@
06-08-2016
10 overs of slogging is what we need, two batsmen that are capable of that too. if they go even quicker ,maybe less

Honestly why give them a chance of a won, suicidal.

Moeen top scorer in the match BTW, but won't get any praise from some people.
jcafcw
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@:
“10 overs of slogging is what we need, two batsmen that are capable of that too. if they go even quicker ,maybe less

Honestly why give them a chance of a won, suicidal.

Moeen top scorer in the match BTW, but won't get any praise from some people.”

Because we have more chance of taking ten wickets if we declare now. If we slog for 10 overs get the lead to 350 then Pakistan will just bed in.
seansnotmyname@
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by jcafcw:
“Because we have more chance of taking ten wickets if we declare now. If we slog for 10 overs get the lead to 350 then Pakistan will just bed in.”

Yeah I get the point, but I just don't understand why you risk it on a live series. we lose we can't win the series, best is draw.

Unnecessary risk-taking just makes no sense. Pakistan not great at bedding in, and if we declare after 10 overs we will have over 70 overs to bowl at them.
mimik1uk
06-08-2016
no way will we declare overnight

i reckon we will bat for at least an hour in the morning and maybe put them in for about 10-12 overs before lunch
SULLA
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@:
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Moeen top scorer in the match BTW, but won't get any praise from some people.”

I have praised him for his batting in this game
mimik1uk
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@:
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Moeen top scorer in the match BTW, but won't get any praise from some people.”

if he does what your frontline spinner is meant to do and helps bowl a team out on a day 5 pitch to win a match i will give him all the praise he deserves
Keyser_Soze1
06-08-2016
We will probably bat for around an hour tomorrow giving Johnny the chance for another well deserved ton (although if he does get to the 100 I expect that Cook will immediately declare).

Then it will be up to Jimmy and co to try and pull off a famous victory.
ThomasStirk
06-08-2016
Interesting debate this morning regarding current best Test XI here's mine:
Amla
Cook (c)
Root
Kohli
De Villiers
Sahfraz (WK)
Stokes
Ashwin
Rabada
Anderson
Yasir
mimik1uk
06-08-2016
rabada looks to be immensely talented but a big call to include him in a world XI after just 6 tests
SULLA
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by ThomasStirk:
“Interesting debate this morning regarding current best Test XI here's mine:
Amla
Cook (c)
Root
Kohli
De Villiers
Sahfraz (WK)
Stokes
Ashwin
Rabada
Anderson
Yasir”

I take it you don't rate the Aussies

Ben Stokes....Batting average 33.23 Bowling Average 37.58....Not good enough
Clank007
06-08-2016
We should have declared and put them in for 5 overs at the end, but unfortunately Alastair Cook is so scared of losing a test match that he takes no risks whatsoever.

Ed Smith on Test Match Special was so right when he said the only way a great game could be made out of this was if this afternoon England were bowled out and Pakistan had to bat.
Sadly this didnt happen so now we wiill have to wait for 1 or 2 hours of pointless batting to finish tomorrow before Cook declares. He already has a lead of 300 plus, its ridiculous to keep batting.

Australia would have declared and bowled well before the close of play today in the same position, but they are a much more adventurous side than us unfortunately.
Darren Lethem
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Clank007:
“We should have declared and put them in for 5 overs at the end, but unfortunately Alastair Cook is so scared of losing a test match that he takes no risks whatsoever.

Ed Smith on Test Match Special was so right when he said the only way a great game could be made out of this was if this afternoon England were bowled out and Pakistan had to bat.
Sadly this didnt happen so now we wiill have to wait for 1 or 2 hours of pointless batting to finish tomorrow before Cook declares. He already has a lead of 300 plus, its ridiculous to keep batting.

Australia would have declared and bowled well before the close of play today in the same position, but they are a much more adventurous side than us unfortunately.”

Disagree with you completely

Priority 1 is England to win
Priority 2 is England don't lose

Give Pakistan 100 overs to chase 300 would have been too dangerous. 5 overs in the morning, quick sling of bat and then get them in.

As an England fan I'm glad they don't risk a possible defeat just to make it exciting
gomezz
06-08-2016
This list of successful run chases: Don't we also need a list of unsuccessful run chases to get a full idea of what is possible? For example, if there was only one other chase over 250 apart from the one that succeeded then you are looking at a 50/50 chance which is what the declaring captain really needs to take into account. You could draw a graph of run chase sizes (grouped by every 10 runs say) to see a gradually decreasing rate of success.
ThomasStirk
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by SULLA:
“I take it you don't rate the Aussies

Ben Stokes....Batting average 33.23 Bowling Average 37.58....Not good enough”

For an all rounder it's more then good enough he's the best all-rounder in cricket at the minute
And No I don't rate the aussies especially after the 2 hammerings they've took in Sri Lanka It's been glorious viewing
SULLA
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by ThomasStirk:
“For an all rounder it's more then good enough he's the best all-rounder in cricket at the minute
And No I don't rate the aussies especially after the 2 hammerings they've took in Sri Lanka It's been glorious viewing”

The test of a good allrounder is for their batting average to be higher than their bowling average. Stokes easily fails.

The last great allrounder was Kallis

The fact is that we have a dearth of world class players
alfamale
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by jake1981:
“Stuart Broad padded up as night watchman

Maybe it's a rota....”

I was wondering this. But i've seen Broad padded up quite early in other innings. He could just like being ready early? If Nos 6 & 7 are batting then No8 needs to be ready to go and No9 has to at least have whites and a few other bits of kit on. Which reminds me of that great start we had at Adelaide in our winning Ashes tour of 2010-11(?). One of the most batter friendly grounds in Oz and we lost the toss and had to bowl. But a quick run out of one opener then Jimmy got a wicket, all in first over of the Test i believe, and Ponting finally appeared ages later (batting 4) rather unprepared with bits of kit not on properly........... and was then out quite promptly too
alfamale
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“This list of successful run chases: Don't we also need a list of unsuccessful run chases to get a full idea of what is possible? For example, if there was only one other chase over 250 apart from the one that succeeded then you are looking at a 50/50 chance which is what the declaring captain really needs to take into account. You could draw a graph of run chase sizes (grouped by every 10 runs say) to see a gradually decreasing rate of success.”

Yep we definitely need more info than these successful run chase tables that dont paint a true picture at all. For example just a complete list of highest 4th innings on the specific ground fullstop would be much more useful. Making up an extreme hypothetical - what if a team had got to 350-3 in 60 overs batting last when chasing 400 to win, but ran out of time so it was a draw. Or were chasing 400 to win but got bowled out for 399. Neither scenario ever get a mention as sky team fixate only on 4th innings winning score. When the aussies lost by 2 runs in 2005 they got to 279 all out.
seansnotmyname@
07-08-2016
The thing is the pitch is doing very little, Yasir Shah has taken 2-152, people expecting Moeen to bowl them out seem to be ignoring that to set up another round of Moeen-bashing.

Seamers will be our main chance, new ball, a bit of uneven bounce, and maybe reverse, yet it's just not a pitch that breaks up, as the successful South Africa chase in 2008 shows. This was not always the way with Edgbaston, ut it's a vastly different pitch than it used to be, so you can only really compare with the last 15 years or so.

For instance last year final innings was 124-2, with Lyon taking 0-52, was the 3rd day though.
Darren Lethem
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@:
“The thing is the pitch is doing very little, Yasir Shah has taken 2-152, people expecting Moeen to bowl them out seem to be ignoring that to set up another round of Moeen-bashing.

Seamers will be our main chance, new ball, a bit of uneven bounce, and maybe reverse, yet it's just not a pitch that breaks up, as the successful South Africa chase in 2008 shows. This was not always the way with Edgbaston, ut it's a vastly different pitch than it used to be, so you can only really compare with the last 15 years or so.

For instance last year final innings was 124-2, with Lyon taking 0-52, was the 3rd day though.”

I'll hang my colours to the wall here. England to bat for 5 overs. Jonny to get his ton. England to bowl them out and win by a stack of runs. Jimmy to get a 5 for
dtcdtcdtc
07-08-2016
Loking forward to today

First day off for ages so hope it's absorbing

Cook being interviewed just now intimated that we will bat on
Sam_Clarke1
07-08-2016
England 7/4 to win

Worth a fiver I think
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