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Bhaveshgor
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by James1953:
“Another straight forward slip catch goes down giving Moeen a life

Dropped catches and wickets off no-balls could have meant we were all out by now”

reckon it will be costly and pakistan will lose the test now.

been a very good series.
James1953
11-08-2016
Hanif has died at age 81

He held the high score record until Lara hit his 501


http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan...y/1044219.html
jake1981
11-08-2016
Moeen and Bairstow look like they enjoy batting together

Would be nice to emulate what the Indians did yesterday with numbers 6 and 7 both getting tons

With the over rate, Pakistan may not get to the 2nd new ball this evening
jake1981
11-08-2016
Been a good decision by the selectors to keep Moeen in the side when plenty were calling for a change (including me)

Not so sure on their decision to persevere with Vince though
makeba72
11-08-2016
To back to a point I have made before, we will end this series with big doubts about Vince and Ballance (and Hales to a lesser extent) even if they score big in the second innings and England will have missed the opportunity to learn anything about some other potential players. I would argue that it's better to bring in a newbie to a winning team as well, so morale is high and the pressure is reduced a bit.
Bhaveshgor
11-08-2016
TBH the decision not to play rashid wasn't wise though since the 2nd spinner will need overs before india and really all Ali proven so far is he could possibly get in the team as a batsman not proven that he is the number 1 spinner for england yet.
Bhaveshgor
11-08-2016
Squad for india should be intresting since they would probably send a 3rd opener, reserve keeper and batting replacement for the middle order so that 3 extra players their plus 3rd spinner and 2 or 3 extra seam option.

might be a big squad england send to india but they probably would need it with quite a few question marks in the side especially in the batting.
Darren Lethem
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by makeba72:
“To back to a point I have made before, we will end this series with big doubts about Vince and Ballance (and Hales to a lesser extent) even if they score big in the second innings and England will have missed the opportunity to learn anything about some other potential players. I would argue that it's better to bring in a newbie to a winning team as well, so morale is high and the pressure is reduced a bit.”

How many games do you give a player before deciding to drop him ?
SULLA
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by Sam_Clarke1:
“The issue was that the umpires gave a soft signal of out and there was no clear evidence to overturn it due to their being no clear footage

Without the soft signal it would have been not out”

Originally Posted by sangreal:
“Yes, very strange.

They gave the soft "out" signal because they expect fielders to be honest.
An honest fielder would have given the "not sure" signal.
It looked pretty obvious from the shot we did see that he'd scooped it up off the ground.
I can't believe we've still not seen a blown up version, or that they didn't have any better camera angles.

Oh well, nothing short of 500+ will do now :--)”

Soft signal ???? It's just another case of guesswork. The Umpires should give out or not out. The players can review if they want to



Originally Posted by James1953:
“Enjoying the feature on Deadly Underwood

Still surprises me how they managed to finish the game in 1968 at the Oval”

They put a bit of pressure on the umpires
roger_50
11-08-2016
England were on the ropes at 110/5 but they've been rather let off the hook here. Some dropped catches not helping Pakistan's cause at all.

Currently 235/6, if England get 300+ they'll be chuffed to bits and will feel right in this match.
seansnotmyname@
11-08-2016
All very well talking about who to drop for India, but we'll have to bat again this match I'd imagine, which does give a chance for people to resurrect their careers.

I didn't want changes for this match, because they all contributed last time, but honestly if there's no big innings from Hales, Ballance or Vince, in the second dig, I'd be more than happy to see all three replaced in India.

ATM Bell-Drummond, Borthwick and Duckett my choices. I think it would have actually been unfair on them if they'd been parachuted in for this one match.

All the inevitably dull talk about the mythical Rashid, the pitch isn't spinning, he'll get his chance in India, don't see why playing on a different style pitch against a different batting side would have giving him any encouragement for then, nor should people be picked in a live series on what happens in the future.
seansnotmyname@
11-08-2016
Well that was slightly unexpected, Woakes probably looked the best batsman on show today.

Will Broad finally contribute, could easily get rolled for under 300 or smash a lot of quick runs here, great series this, always on edge it seems.
Darren Lethem
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@:
“Well that was slightly unexpected, Woakes probably looked the best batsman on show today.

Will Broad finally contribute, could easily get rolled for under 300 or smash a lot of quick runs here, great series this, always on edge it seems.”

Can always bank on him to contribute to the reviews used column
mimik1uk
11-08-2016
too early for duckett imo , throwing a 21 year old who has been playing 2nd division cricket into an away series to india is a big risk, especially when giving another young guy in bell-drummond a spot as well

sam northeast has had a better season that duckett and is that little bit more experienced

i'd be tempted to give hildreth a go and see if we can get the same sort of response from him at the tail end of his career that australia did from the likes of rodgers and voges. alternatively robson looks like he has done enough to merit a second chance as well.
Darren Lethem
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
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put it this way a 5/6/7 of bairstow/moeen/woakes does not inspire me with any confidence whatsoever”

I wonder if he still thinks this
mimik1uk
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“I wonder if he still thinks this”

anyone can be a smartass with the benefit of hindsight , and you excel at that ...

and btw they are not batting 5/6/7 today ...
Darren Lethem
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“anyone can be a smartass with the benefit of hindsight , and you excel at that ...

and btw they are not batting 5/6/7 today ...”

I thought I was on your ignore list after making a joke which you took offence at.

I know they're not playing that but I see no reason why they can't if they did want Adil in
mimik1uk
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“I thought I was on your ignore list after making a joke which you took offence at.

I know they're not playing that but I see no reason why they can't if they did want Adil in”

just because they have had short term success in those positions does not mean you want to bat them there long-term and its not just about them batting 5/6/7 its about then having a tail starting at #8 which i would have thought would have been obvious

very few keepers have had any sort of long term success batting as high as #5 over a long period but hey bairstow might be better than sangakarra ...
hatpeg
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“Can always bank on him to contribute to the reviews used column”

Bayliss should make it a policy that whatever the circumstances Broad must not review a decision.
He seems very selfish, without considering the wider team situation.
This happened on a number of occasions.
makeba72
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“How many games do you give a player before deciding to drop him ?”

I think the answer is very much 'it depends'.

Someone else has said it's unfair to parachute someone in for one match, but I see that differently, and I think it's one of those old chestnuts on commentary, too. Some will say it's unfair, others say it's good to give someone their first go on home soil, in a winning team, and so on.
mimik1uk
11-08-2016
broad's review today was a perfectly valid review imo

it was umpires call both on where it made contact with the pads and on the stumps
Darren Lethem
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by makeba72:
“I think the answer is very much 'it depends'.

Someone else has said it's unfair to parachute someone in for one match, but I see that differently, and I think it's one of those old chestnuts on commentary, too. Some will say it's unfair, others say it's good to give someone their first go on home soil, in a winning team, and so on.”

You always make your points well. I'd be erring on the side of unfair too as if the team needs the win like the do here. Had it being 3-0 then worth a try
Darren Lethem
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“just because they have had short term success in those positions does not mean you want to bat them there long-term and its not just about them batting 5/6/7 its about then having a tail starting at #8 which i would have thought would have been obvious

very few keepers have had any sort of long term success batting as high as #5 over a long period but hey bairstow might be better than sangakarra ...”

If they brought Rashid in he can bat 8. Certainly no mug. Plus Mo can bat 5 and JB at 6. Panic over
makeba72
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“You always make your points well.”

Blimey, thank you.

I'm sending a screenshot of that to my mum immediately!
mimik1uk
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“If they brought Rashid in he can bat 8. Certainly no mug. Plus Mo can bat 5 and JB at 6. Panic over”

who is panicking ?

call me old-fashioned but i just think if you want to strengthen your batting you dont drop a batsman and replace him with a bowler

but you obviously know better ...
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