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Just been watching last night's verdict and the piece they did on Wahab's no balls
Loads of them They really do need to re-think how these are monitored and, as pointed out, why not use the 3rd umpire The only downside is that the number of overs bowled would reduce even more with all the extra deliveries..... |
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Happy to agree to disagree but surely you can see with Ali stats why opposition bowlers would be happy with him batting in the top 6 especially if he joined by Stokes in it.
not even about the stats, just looking how he bats you will feel as a bowler you can get him out of course would be times Ali scores runs but opposition at the moment won't be scared with the England batting order, yes it got depth but got a lot of vulnerability in it. at the moment only really Root/Bairstow/Cook give the solid feel in the batting. the rest and the opposition feel they can get them out. ps Ali bats 3 for his county........... Find some targets worthy of criticism please & be constructive. |
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I thought of a 'what if' or a 'ask the Umpire' towards the end as Mooen was sheltering Jimmy.......what if Mooen hit one into the outfield and wanted 3 runs to keep the strike next over.......but the bowler was letting the ball run to the boundary to get a four and keep Moeen off strike. Could they run 5 and would that supercede a 4 if they'd run the 5 before the ball reached the boundary ?
If the batters score more runs that would be given for a boundary, which included a run still in progress if they have crossed, then those will be scored instead and the batsman stay at the end of the final run. Quote:
.........and apart from the obvious ungentlemanly conduct could the fielder pick the ball up and chuck it over the boundary to make sure it was a 4 and not a single, a 3 or a 5 ?
So were they to have run two or four, not crossed attempting of a third or fifth, and the fielder then throws, or just kicks, the ball into the boundary then they would remain at their original end. If they cross after the field has played at the ball and before it reaches the boundary it does not count. Basically the boundary works the same as if off the bat but instead comes off the fielder, and comes after the runs already scored to determine the batman's ends. Quote:
Are England heading back to number 1 if they win this? Assuming India draw the third test against W.Indies?
If not and Australia win their final match they will be number one (112). If not and England win or draw their final match they will be number one (112 or 110). If not and Pakistan win their final match they will be number one (111). |
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Worst review ever!
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New ball does the damage with 2 wickets in Woakes' over
Still advantage Pakistan though at 320-6 with Younus approaching 100 |
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New ball does the damage with 2 wickets in Woakes' over
Still advantage Pakistan though at 320-6 with Younus approaching 100 |
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Not according to Ladbrokes. They have England at evens with Pakistan at 7/4
What do they know... ![]() A multi million pound betting outfit against a mug punter like me.....
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What do they know...
![]() A multi million pound betting outfit against a mug punter like me..... ![]() Lots of dropped chances in the first session. Ones that I expect us to catch more times than not. Cooks decision to bat first turned nasty on him here and the weather has looked lovely for our asian opponents. The bowlers created the chances but we have to be better than that in the field. If we'd caught those I doubt Pakistan would be level with us today. |
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Can't understand why fielders are claiming catches that they didn't make
Just happened in the West Indies/ India game KL Rahul claimed a clean catch when it was quite clear on the replay that he hadn't As for Yasir yesterday, that was awful as well No wonder there was a lot of bad feeling this morning when he was at the crease Didn't see it , but all the comms on TMS mentioned it |
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Odds are correct would be wrong if Pakistan had a stronger tail or if they lost 1 or 2 less wickets.
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Can't understand why fielders are claiming catches that they didn't make
Just happened in the West Indies/ India game KL Rahul claimed a clean catch when it was quite clear on the replay that he hadn't As for Yasir yesterday, that was awful as well No wonder there was a lot of bad feeling this morning when he was at the crease Didn't see it , but all the comms on TMS mentioned it |
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Just wondering about how you would penalise fielding teams for loss of overs during a day when there is a change of innings, which would be most days? Presumably there would have to be a calculation of how many overs should have been bowled between start of play and the fall of the last wicket / declaration?
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Just wondering about how you would penalise fielding teams for loss of overs during a day when there is a change of innings, which would be most days? Presumably there would have to be a calculation of how many overs should have been bowled between start of play and the fall of the last wicket / declaration?
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Indeed. And also for rain delays (although they may be made up later). So there would need to be a rigid formula used to track actual overs against required overs taking all these things into accounts. If it encourages spinners being a bigger part of the game than they are now, that has to be a good thing?
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Yes.
If the batters score more runs that would be given for a boundary, which included a run still in progress if they have crossed, then those will be scored instead and the batsman stay at the end of the final run. That would be an overthrow and so the batsman would remain at whichever end they were at at the moment the ball is thrown. [b]So were they to have run two or four, not crossed attempting of a third or fifth, and the fielder then throws, or just kicks, the ball into the boundary then they would remain at their original end. If they cross after the field has played at the ball and before it reaches the boundary it does not count. Basically the boundary works the same as if off the bat but instead comes off the fielder, and comes after the runs already scored to determine the batman's ends. Quote:
What do they know...
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Sri Lanka recovering from a torrid start in the final test v Australia
Chose to bat and were 26/5 96/5 at the moment shortly after lunch and the ball is turning sharply Be surprised if this makes it to Day 4 |
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Isnt that the same as bowlers doing it ? Which they do all the time. Appeal every time the ball hits the pad or looks close to the bat on the way to the keeper ? Bowlers appealing for wickets they know they havent got
Appealing because you think it may be out is different from claiming a catch knowing that it has bounced I am of the opinion that the fielders knew that it had bounced on these 2 occasions Was chatting last night and this incident came up Before tv reviews became the norm, most batsmen used to trust the fielder if he had said he'd caught it. Can't remember the name of the Pakistan 'keeper who claimed a catch from Botham who asked him if he caught it and had said yes and just as beefy was heading to the Pavillion , the replay came up on the TV (no screens at the ground in those days) and showed that the keeper had dropped it Thought for a moment that Botham was going to kill him.... |
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They know how much has been bet on each result and work out the odds accordingly I never knew that |
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They would have to judge the kick as deliberate
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Excellent feature on Sky at the moment with a Curtley Ambrose masterclass
Well worth catching up with |
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No I don't think it is
Appealing because you think it may be out is different from claiming a catch knowing that it has bounced I am of the opinion that the fielders knew that it had bounced on these 2 occasions Was chatting last night and this incident came up Before tv reviews became the norm, most batsmen used to trust the fielder if he had said he'd caught it. Can't remember the name of the Pakistan 'keeper who claimed a catch from Botham who asked him if he caught it and had said yes and just as beefy was heading to the Pavillion , the replay came up on the TV (no screens at the ground in those days) and showed that the keeper had dropped it Thought for a moment that Botham was going to kill him.... |
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But don't you think bowlers appeal for balls they know full well are not out ? Hence they don't review them. I think it can work with bat, ball or in the field.
To me , there is a big difference between the two |
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Number 7's going well in the Test matches this week
100's for Wriddhiman Saha for India, Moeen Ali for England and now Dhanajaya de Silva is 80* for Sri Lanka |
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No, because they are asking "Is it Out (Howzat) ?" and not stating that it is out as in "Yes , I have caught it cleanly"
To me , there is a big difference between the two |
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Thank you for that pearl of wisdom
I never knew that |
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