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SULLA
12-08-2016
Originally Posted by dtcdtcdtc:
“Just been watching last night's verdict and the piece they did on Wahab's no balls

Loads of them

They really do need to re-think how these are monitored and, as pointed out, why not use the 3rd umpire

The only downside is that the number of overs bowled would reduce even more with all the extra deliveries.....”

No. They just need top insist that the Umpires do their job. Like all other Umpires have to
GrouchoM
12-08-2016
Originally Posted by Bhaveshgor:
“Happy to agree to disagree but surely you can see with Ali stats why opposition bowlers would be happy with him batting in the top 6 especially if he joined by Stokes in it.
not even about the stats, just looking how he bats you will feel as a bowler you can get him out of course would be times Ali scores runs but opposition at the moment won't be scared with the England batting order, yes it got depth but got a lot of vulnerability in it.
at the moment only really Root/Bairstow/Cook give the solid feel in the batting.
the rest and the opposition feel they can get them out.”

Why is Ali being dissed as a potential 5 when bigger concerns are Hales, Vince & Ballance who have hardly scored a run between them this summer?

ps Ali bats 3 for his county...........

Find some targets worthy of criticism please & be constructive.
mavreela
12-08-2016
Originally Posted by swingaleg:
“I thought of a 'what if' or a 'ask the Umpire' towards the end as Mooen was sheltering Jimmy.......what if Mooen hit one into the outfield and wanted 3 runs to keep the strike next over.......but the bowler was letting the ball run to the boundary to get a four and keep Moeen off strike. Could they run 5 and would that supercede a 4 if they'd run the 5 before the ball reached the boundary ?”

Yes.

If the batters score more runs that would be given for a boundary, which included a run still in progress if they have crossed, then those will be scored instead and the batsman stay at the end of the final run.

Originally Posted by swingaleg:
“.........and apart from the obvious ungentlemanly conduct could the fielder pick the ball up and chuck it over the boundary to make sure it was a 4 and not a single, a 3 or a 5 ?”

That would be an overthrow and so the batsman would remain at whichever end they were at at the moment the ball is thrown.

So were they to have run two or four, not crossed attempting of a third or fifth, and the fielder then throws, or just kicks, the ball into the boundary then they would remain at their original end.

If they cross after the field has played at the ball and before it reaches the boundary it does not count. Basically the boundary works the same as if off the bat but instead comes off the fielder, and comes after the runs already scored to determine the batman's ends.

Originally Posted by Thomas007:
“Are England heading back to number 1 if they win this? Assuming India draw the third test against W.Indies?”

If India win their final two matches they will be number one (114).
If not and Australia win their final match they will be number one (112).
If not and England win or draw their final match they will be number one (112 or 110).
If not and Pakistan win their final match they will be number one (111).
Nova21
12-08-2016
Worst review ever!
davethecue
12-08-2016
New ball does the damage with 2 wickets in Woakes' over

Still advantage Pakistan though at 320-6 with Younus approaching 100
Darren Lethem
12-08-2016
Originally Posted by davethecue:
“New ball does the damage with 2 wickets in Woakes' over

Still advantage Pakistan though at 320-6 with Younus approaching 100”

Not according to Ladbrokes. They have England at evens with Pakistan at 7/4
davethecue
12-08-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“Not according to Ladbrokes. They have England at evens with Pakistan at 7/4”


What do they know...

A multi million pound betting outfit against a mug punter like me.....
mb@2day
12-08-2016
Originally Posted by davethecue:
“What do they know...

A multi million pound betting outfit against a mug punter like me.....”


Lots of dropped chances in the first session. Ones that I expect us to catch more times than not. Cooks decision to bat first turned nasty on him here and the weather has looked lovely for our asian opponents.

The bowlers created the chances but we have to be better than that in the field. If we'd caught those I doubt Pakistan would be level with us today.
davethecue
12-08-2016
Can't understand why fielders are claiming catches that they didn't make

Just happened in the West Indies/ India game

KL Rahul claimed a clean catch when it was quite clear on the replay that he hadn't

As for Yasir yesterday, that was awful as well

No wonder there was a lot of bad feeling this morning when he was at the crease

Didn't see it , but all the comms on TMS mentioned it
Bhaveshgor
12-08-2016
Odds are correct would be wrong if Pakistan had a stronger tail or if they lost 1 or 2 less wickets.
Darren Lethem
12-08-2016
Originally Posted by davethecue:
“Can't understand why fielders are claiming catches that they didn't make

Just happened in the West Indies/ India game

KL Rahul claimed a clean catch when it was quite clear on the replay that he hadn't

As for Yasir yesterday, that was awful as well

No wonder there was a lot of bad feeling this morning when he was at the crease

Didn't see it , but all the comms on TMS mentioned it”

Isnt that the same as bowlers doing it ? Which they do all the time. Appeal every time the ball hits the pad or looks close to the bat on the way to the keeper ? Bowlers appealing for wickets they know they havent got
gomezz
12-08-2016
Just wondering about how you would penalise fielding teams for loss of overs during a day when there is a change of innings, which would be most days? Presumably there would have to be a calculation of how many overs should have been bowled between start of play and the fall of the last wicket / declaration?
Darren Lethem
12-08-2016
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“Just wondering about how you would penalise fielding teams for loss of overs during a day when there is a change of innings, which would be most days? Presumably there would have to be a calculation of how many overs should have been bowled between start of play and the fall of the last wicket / declaration?”

They take 2 overs off for an innings change
gomezz
12-08-2016
Indeed. And also for rain delays (although they may be made up later). So there would need to be a rigid formula used to track actual overs against required overs taking all these things into accounts. If it encourages spinners being a bigger part of the game than they are now, that has to be a good thing?
SULLA
13-08-2016
Originally Posted by mavreela:
“Yes.

If the batters score more runs that would be given for a boundary, which included a run still in progress if they have crossed, then those will be scored instead and the batsman stay at the end of the final run.



That would be an overthrow and so the batsman would remain at whichever end they were at at the moment the ball is thrown.

[b]So were they to have run two or four, not crossed attempting of a third or fifth, and the fielder then throws, or just kicks, the ball into the boundary then they would remain at their original end.

If they cross after the field has played at the ball and before it reaches the boundary it does not count. Basically the boundary works the same as if off the bat but instead comes off the fielder, and comes after the runs already scored to determine the batman's ends.”

They would have to judge the kick as deliberate

Originally Posted by davethecue:
“What do they know...

A multi million pound betting outfit against a mug punter like me.....”

They know how much has been bet on each result and work out the odds accordingly
bradybrady
13-08-2016
Sri Lanka recovering from a torrid start in the final test v Australia

Chose to bat and were 26/5

96/5 at the moment shortly after lunch and the ball is turning sharply

Be surprised if this makes it to Day 4
davethecue
13-08-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“Isnt that the same as bowlers doing it ? Which they do all the time. Appeal every time the ball hits the pad or looks close to the bat on the way to the keeper ? Bowlers appealing for wickets they know they havent got”

No I don't think it is

Appealing because you think it may be out is different from claiming a catch knowing that it has bounced

I am of the opinion that the fielders knew that it had bounced on these 2 occasions

Was chatting last night and this incident came up

Before tv reviews became the norm, most batsmen used to trust the fielder if he had said he'd caught it. Can't remember the name of the Pakistan 'keeper who claimed a catch from Botham who asked him if he caught it and had said yes and just as beefy was heading to the Pavillion , the replay came up on the TV (no screens at the ground in those days) and showed that the keeper had dropped it

Thought for a moment that Botham was going to kill him....
davethecue
13-08-2016
Originally Posted by SULLA:
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They know how much has been bet on each result and work out the odds accordingly”

Thank you for that pearl of wisdom

I never knew that
mavreela
13-08-2016
Originally Posted by SULLA:
“They would have to judge the kick as deliberate”

Indeed, but can you kick a ball accidentally? Obviously you can misfield and the ball hit your foot and deflect to the boundary, but that would not be called a kick.
davethecue
13-08-2016
Excellent feature on Sky at the moment with a Curtley Ambrose masterclass

Well worth catching up with
Darren Lethem
13-08-2016
Originally Posted by davethecue:
“No I don't think it is

Appealing because you think it may be out is different from claiming a catch knowing that it has bounced

I am of the opinion that the fielders knew that it had bounced on these 2 occasions

Was chatting last night and this incident came up

Before tv reviews became the norm, most batsmen used to trust the fielder if he had said he'd caught it. Can't remember the name of the Pakistan 'keeper who claimed a catch from Botham who asked him if he caught it and had said yes and just as beefy was heading to the Pavillion , the replay came up on the TV (no screens at the ground in those days) and showed that the keeper had dropped it

Thought for a moment that Botham was going to kill him....”

But don't you think bowlers appeal for balls they know full well are not out ? Hence they don't review them. I think it can work with bat, ball or in the field.
davethecue
13-08-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“But don't you think bowlers appeal for balls they know full well are not out ? Hence they don't review them. I think it can work with bat, ball or in the field.”

No, because they are asking "Is it Out (Howzat) ?" and not stating that it is out as in "Yes , I have caught it cleanly"

To me , there is a big difference between the two
davethecue
13-08-2016
Number 7's going well in the Test matches this week

100's for Wriddhiman Saha for India, Moeen Ali for England and now Dhanajaya de Silva is 80* for Sri Lanka
Darren Lethem
13-08-2016
Originally Posted by davethecue:
“No, because they are asking "Is it Out (Howzat) ?" and not stating that it is out as in "Yes , I have caught it cleanly"

To me , there is a big difference between the two”

Yet if the umpire gives it they don't argue. I know what you mean though and agree
Darren Lethem
13-08-2016
Originally Posted by davethecue:
“Thank you for that pearl of wisdom

I never knew that”

Ha. Does he not know you're putting Paddy Powers kids through college ?
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