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agree a lot with this article.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/bl...vince-pakistan Quote:
The fact there is talk of this England side being number 1 shows the dearth of worldwide talent in the game today. Hales is a worry - runs against SL in spring aside, Vince & Ballance are not up to it, we have a keeper that is in fact a batsman who fields with gloves on & the reality is the spinner is a batsman who bowls a bit. The 2 opening bowlers are bowling more & more low 80mph spells, Finn summed it up himself - I'm the 4th seamer.
I don't think Jimmy or Broad are on their way out yet, but otherwise there's a lot to agree with in that assessment, especially the opening sentence.
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Let's all bash England.
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Let's all bash England.
No but after a tough summer of tests here we ought to be better prepared for a tough testing series in India for the winter. Where are the up and coming new bloods , why wasn' t anyone tried instead of the incumbents who kept on failing. ![]() Its a b*gger as usually when we go off for the winter with an unsettled and unready squad we get stuffed. |
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Australia doing well in a dead rubber at 235/1
They always used to slate us for playing well in an already decided series
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Australia doing well in a dead rubber at 235/1
They always used to slate us for playing well in an already decided series ![]() if Australia lose in SSC Colombo then they are hopeless when the ball moves a bit. |
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No but after a tough summer of tests here we ought to be better prepared for a tough testing series in India for the winter. Where are the up and coming new bloods , why wasn' t anyone tried instead of the incumbents who kept on failing.
![]() Its a b*gger as usually when we go off for the winter with an unsettled and unready squad we get stuffed. Now is the time to chop and change the team, not during a series you are winning. Vince and Ballance will probably go and there will be a huge question mark over Hales. Personally i would take Ballance to India but i feel he will get replaced by somebody like Bell-Drummond. |
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Although press is stating Vince won't be touring, hales 50-50 from touring and ballance guranteed to play 1st test in India.
Hales won't be playing 1st test in India and Vince dropped all together. |
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i would persevere with ballance, i thought he showed during his early appearances that he had a good attitude and temperament for test cricket, and whilst i wouldn't have brought him back when they did, the fact he is in the team now i dont like seeing us make potentially three changes to the top 5
i know there has been alot of discussion about team balance, assuming stokes will come back, and rashid comes in as a second spinner the XI will look something like this cook a n other root ballance stokes bairstow moeen woakes rashid broad anderson i'm not sure they really need stokes + 3 seamers for the pitches we will see in bangladesh and india but they cant drop woakes after the summer he has had and wont drop broad or anderson |
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i would persevere with ballance, i thought he showed during his early appearances that he had a good attitude and temperament for test cricket, and whilst i wouldn't have brought him back when they did, the fact he is in the team now i dont like seeing us make potentially three changes to the top 5
Hales will almost certainly be in the tour party I'd have thought, I'd stick with him for the time being. Vince probably won't be and can have no complaints. Pretty 30s and 40s aren't going to cut it, especially when you keep getting out in the same way. |
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Vince could be one of those annoying players who do well in the county game, are great to watch and have undoubted talent but just don't perform in an England test shirt
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My XV1 for the touring party(s)
I think I may rest Jimmy or Broad for the Bangla part as well Bangladesh Cook Hales Root Ballance Moeen Stokes Bairstow Woakes Rashid Finn Wood Ball Liam Dawson Jason Roy Sam Billings David Willey Then for India, replace Willey, Roy and Finn with Broad,Bell-Drummond and Jimmy There's a lot of cricket coming up so I think a lot of squad rotation is likely |
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Again we come to the question of how long do you try people for ? Are you suggesting Gary Ballance should have gone after just 1 or 2 matches ? James Vince, for me, was worth persevering with. He was playing in a winning side rather than bringing in somebody new to the team who would have not only that to adapt to, but make instant runs.
Now is the time to chop and change the team, not during a series you are winning. Vince and Ballance will probably go and there will be a huge question mark over Hales. Personally i would take Ballance to India but i feel he will get replaced by somebody like Bell-Drummond. Perhaps i'm casting my mind back too far to the past but India is still one country where they can exert a lot of pressure on a struggling batsman. I wouldnt take Vince there and would look for a new man in his place. Hales has a tourettes type tic in his batting the longer he goes on the sadder it is to see him playing loose get out shots as an opener. I'd rather see him play some 4 day games this season and start to pull himself together. Ballance has become a bit of a grinder but if he's not facing a leg spin bowler like Yasir then his chance may improve. Anyway Darren thanks for the response, its good to discuss the problems that the selectors have in front of them this summer. |
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i would persevere with ballance, i thought he showed during his early appearances that he had a good attitude and temperament for test cricket, and whilst i wouldn't have brought him back when they did, the fact he is in the team now i dont like seeing us make potentially three changes to the top 5
i know there has been alot of discussion about team balance, assuming stokes will come back, and rashid comes in as a second spinner the XI will look something like this cook a n other root ballance stokes bairstow moeen woakes rashid broad anderson i'm not sure they really need stokes + 3 seamers for the pitches we will see in bangladesh and india but they cant drop woakes after the summer he has had and wont drop broad or anderson |
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-...y/1046551.html
some quite generous scoring there its ok saying finn was unlucky but he gets 5/10 for taking 5 wickets @ 70
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-...y/1046551.html
some quite generous scoring there its ok saying finn was unlucky but he gets 5/10 for taking 5 wickets @ 70 ![]() I don't really read much into it since some of the English players get ranked higher than they should. Nasser is generally awful in ranking players after a series. Prefer Bob Willis method of giving grades than numbers, since people can't take it seriously and impossible to get average and statistics into it. In general always annoying how players get 6 or 7 all the time, England mostly had 7 where as Pakistan had Low scores and some very high score in particular the pace men for Pakistan not sure how most got 8 or 7. If anything England seam option were better but didn't have killer spells and Pakistan pace men were mostly average and poor but had killer spells through out the series. |
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Nasser scoring was worse, how Pakistan had players rating lower than Vince, hales or even ballance was shocking.
I don't really read much into it since some of the English players get ranked higher than they should. Nasser is generally awful in ranking players after a series. Prefer Bob Willis method of giving grades than numbers, since people can't take it seriously and impossible to get average and statistics into it. how finn was given a higher ranking than ballance is a bit bizarre, surely a batsman averaging close to 30 across a series deserves more than a bowler taking just 5 wickets @ 70 |
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haven't seen the pakistan ratings
how finn was given a higher ranking than ballance is a bit bizarre, surely a batsman averaging close to 30 across a series deserves more than a bowler taking just 5 wickets @ 70 Although Nasser did give loads of 7s and scoring was higher than dobell on average. Then again maybe not Shan masood got 2 and hafeez got 2. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dai...?client=safari |
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Not looking positive for James Vince as he has been left out f the one day quad
Liam Dawson is in aa are the returning Ben Stokes and Mark Wood Finn is out for 4 weeks with the hamstring injury he picked up at the Oval http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-...y/1046767.html |
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England ODI squad: E Morgan (capt) (Middlesex), M Ali (Worcestershire), J Bairstow (Yorkshire), J Buttler (Lancashire), L Dawson (Hampshire), C Jordan (Sussex), A Hales (Nottinghamshire), L Plunkett (Yorkshire), A Rashid (Yorkshire), J Root (Yorkshire), J Roy (Surrey), B Stokes (Durham), D Willey (Yorkshire), C Woakes (Warwickshire), M Wood (Durham).
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wonder if we will see any of the first choice players rested for the bangladesh tour, assuming it goes ahead, i half expected to see root and bairstow left out of this ODI squad
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If the batting lineup was more settled then you could see Root 'rested' for Bangladesh. As it is, I think he has to play.
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If the batting lineup was more settled then you could see Root 'rested' for Bangladesh. As it is, I think he has to play.
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England ODI squad: E Morgan (capt) (Middlesex), M Ali (Worcestershire), J Bairstow (Yorkshire), J Buttler (Lancashire), L Dawson (Hampshire), C Jordan (Sussex), A Hales (Nottinghamshire), L Plunkett (Yorkshire), A Rashid (Yorkshire), J Root (Yorkshire), J Roy (Surrey), B Stokes (Durham), D Willey (Yorkshire), C Woakes (Warwickshire), M Wood (Durham).
but also
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No complaints about the ODI squad - pretty strong & lots of flexibility.
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really breaks the heart to see australia getting thumped again by sri lanka
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