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International Cricket 2016
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jazzydrury3
16-09-2016
If England pick Gareth Batty what will be there excuse for not picking him over the years.

He has always picked up wickets.
Callum Collum
16-09-2016
The squads.

Test squad: Alastair Cook (captain), Moeen Ali, James Anderson, Zafar Ansari, Jonny Bairstow, Gary Ballance, Gareth Batty, Stuart Broad, Jos Buttler, Ben Duckett, Steven Finn, Haseeb Hameed, Adil Rashid, Joe Root, Ben Stokes, Chris Woakes, Mark Wood

ODI squad: Jos Buttler (captain), Moeen Ali, Jonny Bairstow, Jake Ball, Sam Billings, Liam Dawson, Ben Duckett, Liam Plunkett, Adil Rashid, Jason Roy, Ben Stokes, James Vince, David Willey, Chris Woakes, Mark Wood
GrouchoM
16-09-2016
Gareth Batty?
Potentially the worst selection since Andy Lloyd all those years ago.
What a joke.
Mark F
16-09-2016
I see they have picked a few youngsters so clearly feel they need an "old" head!
seansnotmyname@
16-09-2016
I don't like the Batty decision, never that good and too old, but there's a lot of talk that Rayner needs bounce to take wickets which he won't get on the sub-continent, and Somerset's captain, Rogers, doesn't think Leach is ready, I'd have still gone Leach though.

Exciting to see Duckett and Hameed though, think Duckett will open in all forms.
ThomasStirk
16-09-2016
I hope and pray that Hameed finally solves the opening role problem we've had since Strauss retired even if he struggles at the beginning he is 19 years old and is worth sticking with
Ian Bell should have gone too imo valuable experience in the middle order
howard h
16-09-2016
Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@:
“I don't like the Batty decision, never that good and too old, but there's a lot of talk that Rayner needs bounce to take wickets which he won't get on the sub-continent, and Somerset's captain, Rogers, doesn't think Leach is ready, I'd have still gone Leach though.

Exciting to see Duckett and Hameed though, think Duckett will open in all forms.”

They could at least have given Kerrigan another chance over there. Batty? Bet Underwood's checking to see if his boots still fit.
PDS1985
16-09-2016
Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@:
“I'd have still gone Leach though..”

I agree 58 wickets (currently) in the County Championship this season at an average of 22.60 and with five 5 wicket hauls with the latest being at Headingley on Wednesday.
GrouchoM
16-09-2016
Batty's selection is a throwback - who plays for Surrey/Middlesex/Essex? Who is in a successful one day side in the Lords final? Who are the press promoting for shock tourist?

I thought the selectors had moved on & were picking players on merit & ability - clearly I am mistaken.

I'm still stunned that an average Joe (thought not as bright) like Batty has been selected.
Darren Lethem
16-09-2016
I agree with Michael Vaughan on this. Happy about Batty. Very much horses for courses pick.
davethecue
16-09-2016
Originally Posted by davethecue:
“Tour squads announced this morning

Could be a big day for Haseeb Hameeb”

Good news

He seems to have the temperament to cope with the set up

No James Vince - wonder if he will get another chance
GrouchoM
16-09-2016
Somewhere a village will be missing an idiot this winter..............
Darren Lethem
16-09-2016
Originally Posted by GrouchoM:
“Somewhere a village will be missing an idiot this winter..............”

Are you hoping Batty fails or succeeds ?
GrouchoM
16-09-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“Are you hoping Batty fails or succeeds ?”

I want England to win of course!

But if we are going to develop players then reverting to a 39 year old has been with temperament issues is not the answer. I speak from personal experience.
jake1981
16-09-2016
Pleased to see Ansari given another chance

Just tomorrow's final to get through without another injury

I'm pleased Batty has been given another chance. Still has the competitive spirit to contribute something positive and not much older than Misbah.....
Darren Lethem
16-09-2016
Originally Posted by GrouchoM:
“I want England to win of course!

But if we are going to develop players then reverting to a 39 year old has been with temperament issues is not the answer. I speak from personal experience.”

So you think ashes winning captains etc are wrong ? You seem convinced Barry is going to be a disaster before he's bowled a ball. You don't pick test sides for the future you pick them for the game you are playing. Mo and Adil will be England's 1 and 2 anyway
seansnotmyname@
16-09-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“So you think ashes winning captains etc are wrong ? You seem convinced Barry is going to be a disaster before he's bowled a ball. You don't pick test sides for the future you pick them for the game you are playing. Mo and Adil will be England's 1 and 2 anyway”


That's not really a great argument is it? I mean Vaughan is often wrong, the disgraceful comments over Trott most notably.

In the end, though 17-man-squad for a two test series, possible he won't even play and may just impart experience. So no reason to get carried away by this.
mimik1uk
16-09-2016
the batty pick is a bit of a strange one for a series in bangladesh unless they are more looking forward to the india series and possibly needing to play 3 spinners and his experience might be more of a factor

i'm in two minds about the hameed pick, i've always been in the "if you're good enough, you're old enough" camp, but just hope they handle his selection well and manage expectations. he's had a cracking start to his FC career but has still only really got one season of cricket behind him and they dont really want to be mucking him around if he does have a wobbly start in tests.
swingaleg
16-09-2016
Pretty sure I heard on the radio during the recent round of games that Hameed is only the 3rd teenager to be picked by England since WW2

The other two were Brian Close and Ben Hollioake
alfamale
17-09-2016
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“the batty pick is a bit of a strange one for a series in bangladesh unless they are more looking forward to the india series and possibly needing to play 3 spinners and his experience might be more of a factor

i'm in two minds about the hameed pick, i've always been in the "if you're good enough, you're old enough" camp, but just hope they handle his selection well and manage expectations. he's had a cracking start to his FC career but has still only really got one season of cricket behind him and they dont really want to be mucking him around if he does have a wobbly start in tests.”

Very much agree. A 39 year old spinner with a test average of 66 is hardly looking to the future (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...ing;view=match). But presumably he's not their just to carry the drinks which means where does Ansari fit into the plans? Ansari obviously a talented county cricketer and still improving but let's hope he's not the next Moeen Ali, where neither his batting or bowling are test standard.

Regard Hameed it's certainly understandable why he's been picked but i'm also in two minds. Hopefully he'll take to test cricket like a duck to water but no winters with Eng performance squad (and their excellent coaching incl Flower and Thorpe) or Lions tours and a FC career so short he's not had to handle recovering from a bad patch of form isn't ideal. If he takes a while to find his form in test cricket they're going to have to give him a lot more time than the usual 5-7 matches for recent openers.
SULLA
17-09-2016
Originally Posted by bradybrady:
“Although not officially confirmed, it looks like Morgan has decided not to tour citing security issues that he experienced when he last played there

Big decision that could lead to him losing his spot in the team and subsequently the Captaincy”

I wouldn't play him or Hales again

Originally Posted by ThomasStirk:
“They shouldn't tour India you can't pick and choose your tours, Hales and Morgan should never play for England again imo”

It was common in the old days for the best players to decline to tour in India, purely because they didn't fancy the conditions. At that time we could get away with not sending our very best team.

Originally Posted by Callum Collum:
“Maybe he's a better coach than he was a Test batsman.”

Hick was a fine player unless you bowled at his head

Originally Posted by jazzydrury3:
“If England pick Gareth Batty what will be there excuse for not picking him over the years.

He has always picked up wickets.”

For a long time Batty had to compete with Swann. He's a better off spinner than Ali

Originally Posted by alfamale:
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Regard Hameed it's certainly understandable why he's been picked but i'm also in two minds. Hopefully he'll take to test cricket like a duck to water but no winters with Eng performance squad (and their excellent coaching incl Flower and Thorpe) or Lions tours and a FC career so short he's not had to handle recovering from a bad patch of form isn't ideal. If he takes a while to find his form in test cricket they're going to have to give him a lot more time than the usual 5-7 matches for recent openers.”

Good post.
dtcdtcdtc
17-09-2016
Interesting Test squad

Not sure I can work out what the starting X1 will be

Maybe...

Alastair Cook
Haseeb Hameed
Joe Root
Gary Ballance
Ben Stokes
Jonny Bairstow
Moeen Ali
Chris Woakes
Adil Rashid
Stuart Broad
James Anderson

There's certainly lots of options on the bench

Zafar Ansari
Gareth Batty
Jos Buttler
Ben Duckett
Steven Finn
Mark Wood
Darren Lethem
17-09-2016
Originally Posted by alfamale:
“Very much agree. A 39 year old spinner with a test average of 66 is hardly looking to the future (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...ing;view=match). But presumably he's not their just to carry the drinks which means where does Ansari fit into the plans? Ansari obviously a talented county cricketer and still improving but let's hope he's not the next Moeen Ali, where neither his batting or bowling are test standard.

Regard Hameed it's certainly understandable why he's been picked but i'm also in two minds. Hopefully he'll take to test cricket like a duck to water but no winters with Eng performance squad (and their excellent coaching incl Flower and Thorpe) or Lions tours and a FC career so short he's not had to handle recovering from a bad patch of form isn't ideal. If he takes a while to find his form in test cricket they're going to have to give him a lot more time than the usual 5-7 matches for recent openers.”

Again i dont understand all this "looking to the future" business. As i said above, you dont pick a team for next year you pick it for the next match. Batty is a very good spinner and his test average is now based on matches over 10 years ago so its probably fair to say his craft has changed since then. Most spinners get better with age, look at Flat Jack, he was 102
Darren Lethem
17-09-2016
Originally Posted by dtcdtcdtc:
“Interesting Test squad

Not sure I can work out what the starting X1 will be

Maybe...

Alastair Cook
Haseeb Hameed
Joe Root
Gary Ballance
Ben Stokes
Jonny Bairstow
Moeen Ali
Chris Woakes
Adil Rashid
Stuart Broad
James Anderson

There's certainly lots of options on the bench

Zafar Ansari
Gareth Batty
Jos Buttler
Ben Duckett
Steven Finn
Mark Wood”

I agree with you, that looks the starting XI for me
davethecue
17-09-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“Again i dont understand all this "looking to the future" business. As i said above, you dont pick a team for next year you pick it for the next match. Batty is a very good spinner and his test average is now based on matches over 10 years ago so its probably fair to say his craft has changed since then. Most spinners get better with age, look at Flat Jack, he was 102 ”

Good of you to mention him on 50 over Cup Final Day

He was certainly the best of his type at the time and also rescued us numerous times with the bat
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