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Old 18-09-2016, 10:23
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but the point you made, which i agree with, was around having one of your three spinners being able to handle the containing role and not sure moeen, rashid or ansari can be trusted to do that, so if you do play three spinners then batty is the only real option for that role
wouldn't either but they don't really have a choice since if they really picking 3 spinners they could easily pick 4 since all 4 actually bat and 2 of them are front line batsman for their counties.
Think Stokes role might become a headache if he doesn't have a great winter with the bat since they could drop him and play an extra batsman, seam bowler or spinner.
at the moment if Stokes isn't averaging 40 with the bat this winter hard to see what he actually provides in the sub continent since his bowling won't be needed and will be batting at number 4 or 5.
3-3 or 3-4 combination is the best way to go but Woakes and Stokes are essentially fighting for the same spot though.
if Woakes does really well and they need wood extra pace and reverse swing, it is quite possible Broad or Anderson doesn't get into the team with only one spot available to them.
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Old 18-09-2016, 10:55
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wouldn't either but they don't really have a choice since if they really picking 3 spinners they could easily pick 4 since all 4 actually bat and 2 of them are front line batsman for their counties.
Think Stokes role might become a headache if he doesn't have a great winter with the bat since they could drop him and play an extra batsman, seam bowler or spinner.
at the moment if Stokes isn't averaging 40 with the bat this winter hard to see what he actually provides in the sub continent since his bowling won't be needed and will be batting at number 4 or 5.
3-3 or 3-4 combination is the best way to go but Woakes and Stokes are essentially fighting for the same spot though.
if Woakes does really well and they need wood extra pace and reverse swing, it is quite possible Broad or Anderson doesn't get into the team with only one spot available to them.
i've been of the opinion for awhile that we really only have one spot for either stokes or ali. in seaming conditions stokes gets it, in spinning conditions ali does.

we've never had to make that decision tho as we haven't had anyone thats obviously a better choice as a spinner than ali so have played both.

we keep talking about stokes potential but he's played 25 tests now and averages 33, his conversion ratio of 50s and 100s to innings played is also well below what you would expect for a top order batsman. he really needs to get to the point soon where his current batting and bowling averages are reversed, closer to 40 with the bat and 30 with the ball.
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Old 19-09-2016, 10:43
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But with Batty you know exactly what you are getting.
Agreed - someone who is basically stupid coupled with a temper. He can be quite nasty - trust me.

One question - do we have a spin coach?
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Old 19-09-2016, 10:47
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Agreed - someone who is basically stupid coupled with a temper. He can be quite nasty - trust me.

One question - do we have a spin coach?
I am commenting on his cricketing abilities and quoting another former England captain. ( Athers )
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Old 20-09-2016, 18:16
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Sri Lanka seamer Nuwan Kulasekara has been bailed after being involved in a traffic accident that led to the death of a 28-year-old.


http://www.sportinglife.com/cricket/...affic-accident
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Old 21-09-2016, 11:10
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kinda weird after feeling like we have spent the last couple of years scrambling around to find an opening partner for cook that we now have hameed, duckett, bell-drummond, gubbins and jennings all there or thereabouts. all of them under 25 as well.
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Old 21-09-2016, 11:16
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kinda weird after feeling like we have spent the last couple of years scrambling around to find an opening partner for cook that we now have hameed, duckett, bell-drummond, gubbins and jennings all there or thereabouts. all of them under 25 as well.
To be fair, I think there have been several people who did well at County, but who couldn't translate that into Test level success. I think England have always had choices, but as of yet, none of them has properly made the step up. Any of these new faces will have to go through the same test and see what happens.
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Old 21-09-2016, 11:23
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To be fair, I think there have been several people who did well at County, but who couldn't translate that into Test level success. I think England have always had choices, but as of yet, none of them has properly made the step up. Any of these new faces will have to go through the same test and see what happens.
dont think we have had 5 in contention all at the same time tho which was the point i was making, and all still young enough to expect they will get better

and thats without the possibility of the likes of hales or lyth still being in the frame
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Old 21-09-2016, 17:04
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dont think we have had 5 in contention all at the same time tho which was the point i was making, and all still young enough to expect they will get better

and thats without the possibility of the likes of hales or lyth still being in the frame
I certainly can't ever remember five openers under 25 waiting in the wings. I've not seen much of Jennings but the other 4 all seem to have genuine potential. Let's hope one or two of them really kick on seeing England have somehow got through 8 openers in the 4 years since Strauss retired
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Old 22-09-2016, 07:03
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very good first session for india

105-1 at lunch,

on a pitch that almost everyone is saying will break up and end up turning square then NZ already looking in trouble with having to bat last
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Old 22-09-2016, 08:13
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India now 131-1. On Sky Sports 2.
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Old 22-09-2016, 09:57
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NZ kept themselves in the game in the afternoon session with those 3 wickets but india still well-placed at 185-4

the pitch is already starting to get pretty scuffed up after just 2 sessions so even 300 might be a very good first innings score
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Old 22-09-2016, 11:10
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does ashwin get enough recognition as an all-rounder ?

i know his stats are a little lop-sided between home and away, especially with the ball, but hes carrying an average of 35 with the bat and 25 with the ball
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Old 23-09-2016, 10:20
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NZ have done really well today, all the talk from the pundits about how quickly the pitch would deteriorate looks a bit premature now, as do my own comments from yesterday

still think with them having to bat last they are going to need a pretty decent first innings lead to have a chance, india maybe regretting playing rohit instead of the extra bowler atm
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Old 23-09-2016, 17:57
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West Indies in all sorts in the T20 against Pakistan 48/8

Don't know if it's on TV anywhere ?
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Old 23-09-2016, 18:00
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West Indies in all sorts in the T20 against Pakistan 48/8

Don't know if it's on TV anywhere ?
was looking for it earlier and cant see it

the SA-Ireland ODI is on SKY on sunday i believe
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Old 23-09-2016, 18:34
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was looking for it earlier and cant see it

the SA-Ireland ODI is on SKY on sunday i believe
Thanks

Windies recovering with Bravo going well

113/8 with one over left
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Old 23-09-2016, 18:49
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For those with a BET 365 account, the T@) WI/Pakistan cricket is live on there
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Old 23-09-2016, 22:11
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Actually quite funny how India having 13 test matches in the season makes all the other games India play irrelevant during the period.
Srinath said playing 13 test will help the fast bowlers since they have a long run playing test cricket and not changing formats.

"Where will you get this opportunity? Normally you get three-four Tests, then a break, then you play ODIs, and T20s have come in now, then another break and you come in for the Test matches. The ball is different, the conditions are different, so again you have to come back and bowl and get back into the rhythm.

"Here, every month you have a couple of Test matches which means you don't have to practice, you just have to bowl well in the Test matches.
funny part here is that after 3 test it is 5 odi and some T20 then 5 test and some white ball stuff and then a test + 4 test against Australia/bangladesh.

Not only srinath saying this but Ashwin and Rahane plus in general most India fans and pundits.

Although can't blame them though the white ball stuff is over very quickly in the season and the next test series literally start a week or two later.
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Old 23-09-2016, 22:15
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Actually quite funny how India having 13 test matches in the season makes all the other games India play irrelevant during the period.
Srinath said playing 13 test will help the fast bowlers since they have a long run playing test cricket and not changing formats.




funny part here is that after 3 test it is 5 odi and some T20 then 5 test and some white ball stuff and then a test + 4 test against Australia/bangladesh.

Not only srinath saying this but Ashwin and Rahane plus in general most India fans and pundits.

Although can't blame them though the white ball stuff is over very quickly in the season and the next test series literally start a week or two later.
More funny that you keep on saying how omnipotent India are at home, yet the Kiwis are in control.
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Old 24-09-2016, 00:12
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Only day 2 too early to comment on the series or games anyway most people predicted New Zealand to be the tougher test this season with them having the better batting and bowling attack on paper for the conditions.
Although looking at the team it does feel like Williamson and Taylor have to score most of the runs although Latham and watling are two good batsman as well.
They probably missing jeetan patel though spinners were quite expensive in the first innings they got away with India batsman being crap at home now bowled quite a lot of bad deliveries could be costly in the future innings or test matches.

Still should be remembered this might be the first test since 2012 that a team competeted with India in India. Think they won 13 out of the last 14 test at home and probably a win percentage over 70 since 2000 at home.

Anyway the point really was about the 13 test pr and promotion just found it ironic that the tv, billboards are focusing on the test feel weird that so much focus are on the test this year especially in India.
Not sure I heard anyone mention the Odi yet, last time India had 12 test in a season the Odi after the test were still mentioned or talked about on tv during this time.
Wouldn't surprise me if most people in India didn't even know India are play 7 Odi this year and 3 or 4 t20.
Srinath clearly didn't or if he did probably thought the bowlers and players will rightly prepare and focus on the test that follow.

Just thought it was funny since the impression you get in India this winter is that they are playing 13 back to back test and nothing else.
Although they are kind off think biggest gap is 2 or 3 weeks between test tours lol.
midway through NZ Odi series I think England arrive in the country so focus will be test, England finish in December they squeeze in a test with ban and then a short Odi series with England till aus arrive in late jan.

Not often test overshadow white ball cricket in India especially in the media and tv.
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Old 24-09-2016, 08:26
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Watching the India/NZ Test and it shows what we will face this winter

Lots of appealing and pressure on the umpires

NZ capitulating from a good position to 262 all out
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Old 24-09-2016, 08:33
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When I switched on NZ had 5 wickets left. Those didn't take long to go (29 balls I think the commentator said). India lead by 56.
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Old 24-09-2016, 08:36
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More funny that you keep on saying how omnipotent India are at home, yet the Kiwis are in control.
Looks like you jinxed New Zealand here.
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Old 24-09-2016, 10:53
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More funny that you keep on saying how omnipotent India are at home, yet the Kiwis are in control.
You were saying.....
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