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its a bit of a worry when i assume they promoted him up the order as they thought he was a better player of spin
might have the attributes to suggest that he will be good, but often in sub C that nothing considering picking the length is the most crucial part in surviving and scoring runs. Ali can't pick the length, so he basically playing shots blind with no trust in his footwork and then not knowing which way the ball turning. Remember Ganguly being so blunt on Ali in 2012, when nasser said he was the best player of spin in the side and Ganguly spent 5-10 mins saying he crap lol. Nasser didn't even expect that lol. really only Cook, Root pick the length of the spinners in the side. Duckett showed signs of it in the last under 19 world cup where England knocked india out of the quarter final and was the key reason to England doing well but doing it in test is another matter. |
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What athar ali khan been smoking.
Yes of course bangladesh asked for this pitch, with mohammad islam basically saying Mushfiqar rahim asked for the turner. if bangladesh really wanted a flat deck they are idiots considering they will never get a better chance of winning a game or even be competitive in Test cricket. |
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Stokes already looks more comfortable against the spin than Ali and Stokes isn't even that great against spin.
although he improved a lot against it. |
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Bloody hell jinxed someone again in this forum.
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Oh well........as usual we find a way to get to around 100-5.........now lets see if the usual pattern holds with the middle and lower order putting on another 250 or 300
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Wow Ali finally hit a four with control against the spin.
TBH with Ali facing 106 ball, guessing the English management would think Ali done his job here lol. Root will be kicking himself here with the batting getting easier with the older ball. |
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Will Ali survive again.
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lol ali survives again, the guy should enter the lottery on Friday.
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Wow, it is certainly Moeen's day
Another successful review. I think that's his 5th ? |
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Wow, it is certainly Moeen's day
Another successful review. I think that's his 5th ? Ali looking more comfortable now with him disrupting Mehedi length, actually this over was a sign of him picking the length of the spinner now. |
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Woke up, put red button on, saw score five-down, heart sank "Oh, unless he's still in there Hameed's probably failed..."
Failed alright - not playing ![]() Is he injured or do they reckon he's not as solid as Ballance? BTW It would be nice if on the red button (the "new" ceefax) we got the scoreboard rather than just the score. |
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Just noticed in the EPG that the Bangladesh v England test highlights are being shown on ITV4 at 7pm. Bit of a late deal was it?
Beware! Not Series Linked when I set a timer for it just now so set each day separately or use a daily repeat. |
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Oh well........as usual we find a way to get to around 100-5.........now lets see if the usual pattern holds with the middle and lower order putting on another 250 or 300
![]() Moeen and Bairstow seem to do well when batting together |
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Just noticed in the EPG that the Bangladesh v England test highlights are being shown on ITV4 at 7pm. Bit of a late deal was it?
Beware! Not Series Linked when I set a timer for it just now so set each day separately or use a daily repeat. |
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TBH he isn't that great.
might have the attributes to suggest that he will be good, but often in sub C that nothing considering picking the length is the most crucial part in surviving and scoring runs. Ali can't pick the length, so he basically playing shots blind with no trust in his footwork and then not knowing which way the ball turning. Remember Ganguly being so blunt on Ali in 2012, when nasser said he was the best player of spin in the side and Ganguly spent 5-10 mins saying he crap lol. Nasser didn't even expect that lol. really only Cook, Root pick the length of the spinners in the side. Duckett showed signs of it in the last under 19 world cup where England knocked india out of the quarter final and was the key reason to England doing well but doing it in test is another matter. Well done for picking on England's (current) top scorer in the first innings. Ridiculous |
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci-icc/c...y/1062376.html Quote:
Conferences, rather than divisions, may be the answer to the ICC impasse over the future structure of Test cricket, allowing a two-year build to a championship playoff without dividing the game into haves and have-nots. Well it's a start, but I'm against a series being only "2 games" - think each series should be a minimum of three, maximum of five.The concept of a conference-based split among 12 Test-playing nations - allowing room for the likes of Afghanistan or Ireland - was discussed in some detail at the recent ICC chief executives' committee (CEC) meeting in Cape Town, after the idea of two divisions was struck down by the objections of some nations including Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and India. Their chief reason for opposition was worry about the thought of being consigned to a "second tier" of Test cricket, after fighting for many years to earn their way into Full Member status and its assorted playing and financial benefits. However there was also opposition to simply letting the present system of bilateral series stand untouched. Under the conference proposal, alternately-ranked teams would be grouped in separate conferences, down to teams placed 11 and 12. This would then mean that all six teams in each conference would play each other in at least one series over two years, with the possibility of one or two 'crossover' series against teams from the other conference also available, as happens in Major League Baseball. At the end of the competition - to be completed with a Test Championship playoff between the two conference winners - the two groups would be reshuffled for the next edition, meaning all nations would play each other every six years. Among the more radical elements of the concept is that this championship would be the only Test cricket played, ruling out the possibility of "icon" series such as the Ashes being played outside the structure. "While they're icon [sic] and big series, it's just not quite the same," a source close to the meetings told ESPNcricinfo. "There's also a feeling we're playing enough cricket. We don't want to play more cricket." Member nations are said to be warming to this context far more than two-division cricket, as it removes the political hurdle of some teams having to submit to an inferior level of Test cricket. The only compromise in terms of opponents will be the amount of matches played within a given series - Ashes contests would remain played over five Tests, while lower profile encounters would be able to be played over a lesser length, most likely a minimum of two Tests. That flexibility means there will need to be further discussion of the best structure for awarding points for match and series wins. "If there's 30 points available for a series and you play a five-match series, you might get six points a match, and if it is a two-match series it might be 15 points a match," the source said. "That sort of thing needs to be further explored." League structures for ODI and Twenty20 matches remain on course, while a detailed, theoretical Test schedule is now being prepared, ahead of the ICC's formal meetings in February next year. Other matters, such as the internal wrangling at the BCCI and also the concurrent work on a revised governance model for the ICC board, may yet have some influence on events. The push for a pooled television rights deal is also ongoing, while the ICC is working on arranging a meeting between the BCCI and the IOC about cricket's inclusion for the Olympics. Daniel Brettig is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo. @danbrettig © ESPN Sports Media Ltd. How would the final work? One one-off game, or a series? On neutral ground or home and away? A neutral venue might suit one side over the other. But always wanted a Championship, and if we can't have two divisions then IMO this is the way to go. |
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What a load of rubbish. Moen has kept his head today amid wickets falling & poor umpiring - why isnt the focus on the umpire making bad decisions which lead to reviews? And over zealous appealing?
Well done for picking on England's (current) top scorer in the first innings. Ridiculous Yes he scored runs today still doesn't change the fact he didn't look comfertable at the crease today, actually today the best batsman in show was woakes, although root batted well against the new ball and the more trickier conditions. Moeen control stat today must be low, loads of play and misses and loads of runs from edges. |
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Noticed there are highlights on ITV4 at 7 tonight if you haven't caught the action yet.
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Really all Ali and bairstow did today is get England to a decent total but you don't really know if it is par or below par because they made batting look tough.
Really we won't know if it is a good total till ali, rashid and batty bowl on it. But does look the sort of pitch where Bangladesh could score 400+ if England spinner don't have the control that Bangladesh spinners mostly had. |
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What a load of rubbish. Moen has kept his head today amid wickets falling & poor umpiring - why isnt the focus on the umpire making bad decisions which lead to reviews? And over zealous appealing?
Well done for picking on England's (current) top scorer in the first innings. Ridiculous Really not poor umpiring considering how hard it is to determine whether the ball pitched in the line of the stumps and basically 70-80% of all ball bowled at the stumps hit the stumps. Really England would appeal the same if they bowled to a player vulnerable to the lbw every few balls. |
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Thinking about it Ali was probably the reason for all the reviews in the first place since he was trying to bat outside the line so he can't be lbw and he did get lucky a few times that he got edges.
Really not poor umpiring considering how hard it is to determine whether the ball pitched in the line of the stumps and basically 70-80% of all ball bowled at the stumps hit the stumps. Really England would appeal the same if they bowled to a player vulnerable to the lbw every few balls. Unbelievable. |
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Thinking about it Ali was probably the reason for all the reviews in the first place since he was trying to bat outside the line so he can't be lbw and he did get lucky a few times that he got edges.
Really not poor umpiring considering how hard it is to determine whether the ball pitched in the line of the stumps and basically 70-80% of all ball bowled at the stumps hit the stumps. Really England would appeal the same if they bowled to a player vulnerable to the lbw every few balls. |
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Exciting finish in the India/NZ odi with the Kiwis winning by 6 runs in the last over
Only just got in so not been watching Good recovery from England but the way the innings was constructed is par for the course over the last 2 seasons |
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Maybe was being so harsh on Ali, but really the point stands for most of the batsman.
Really struggling to score runs against Bangladesh not a good sign considering the bowling wasn't world class, only really the new guy bowled well, shakib was hit and miss and the Islam guy was bowling too short, he got away with it big time that he didn't get whacked or scored off easily. Really most of the wickets today was down to the batsman being awful than the spinner causing trouble. Tomorrow Ali and rash id have to bowl well on the best batting day of the test and on a wicket where they need to bowl in the right areas, considering Bangladeshi batsman won't make the same mistake and more likely to punish the wrong length and line. Really would say 350 is about par on here. |
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Do you know anything about cricket? How hard it is to bat in the subcontinent against the spinning ball? Why not single out Cook (4), Ducket (14) & dare I say Ballance (1) before going full tilt at someone who battled it out to 68?
Unbelievable. Really apart from the new ball, the batting wasn't that hard. You probably not going to like it but if Ali and bairstow scraped 50s, if the top order played better or got lucky England could easily have been 270/4 here. Really cook and root could get 100s here. Not sure about the rest since it is a massive ordeal just to survive. By the way again my criticism is at the whole batting unit. Not sure it is good enough to struggle with the bat against Bangladesh bowlers. |
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