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Old 20-10-2016, 17:38
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Really this winter if England don't get 350 in the first innings they haven't batted well, even in the new pitches.
Will be tough but they need those runs since 100 will be impossible on day 4-5 especially with the opposition most likely on average be able to score 50-150 runs more in the similar conditions.

In today pitch could see India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh all batting way better.
Not sure 100/5 on day 1 going to win many games this winter.
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Old 20-10-2016, 18:16
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Well England aren't used to the conditions - those countries are.

Have to see how the Tigers do in their innings.
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Old 20-10-2016, 19:06
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Tbh if you being picked for England you should generally be able to adapt in differing conditions.
Really the sameness county pitch is really an issue considering in the past Northants was a dry turning deck with kumble bowling spin and with conditions helping Swann and monty to develop.
Really in top level sport differing conditions shouldn't be the difference between a team winning games and losing.
At the moment quite hard to explain how ranked 8th in world thrashes world number 1 or how a top ranked side struggles with a team ranked 9 irrespective of the conditions.
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Old 20-10-2016, 19:11
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Tbh Australia are asking the same question after losing 13 test in a bounce in Asia and all very easily with no real batting success, think Clarke comes the closest with an average around 40 but tends to be score century or nothing.

They blaming it on Sydney and Adelaide not turning and Melbourne not having seam and inconsistent bounce.

Really at the moment no side been adapting well to differing conditions like they did in the old days.
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Old 20-10-2016, 21:16
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Some of our top order looked very rusty and out of form hence their poor dismissals. Bad planning to play only a couple of days cricket before the test. Perhaps taking Bangladesh seriously would have put us in a better situation than we are in currently.

Our lower order saved us big time today otherwise we'd have folded for under 250.
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Old 20-10-2016, 21:19
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Really this winter if England don't get 350 in the first innings they haven't batted well, even in the new pitches.
Will be tough but they need those runs since 100 will be impossible on day 4-5 especially with the opposition most likely on average be able to score 50-150 runs more in the similar conditions.

In today pitch could see India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh all batting way better.
Not sure 100/5 on day 1 going to win many games this winter.
TBH ( as you like to say that so much ) Michael Atherton said anything over 250 on that pitch is good and over 300 is excellent.
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Old 20-10-2016, 22:01
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TBH ( as you like to say that so much ) Michael Atherton said anything over 250 on that pitch is good and over 300 is excellent.
I be honest not sure 250 will be good enough, might be good enough to still win the game but bangladesh still got the chance to get a very decent lead in first innings not sure I would like to be trailing around 100 runs in the first innings.
Don't get me wrong 300 is excellent but won't exactly win games or be in a dominant position.

wrote this in another forum that basically the reverse to what india/Sri lanka or to a lesser extent Pakistan bat in england or outside asia and they scrape to 250 or 300 and they basically make it sound like batting is difficult you could probably add Australia to the list and they basically assuming when their bowl the opposition batsman will have the same difficulties and in most cases the bowlers are not good enough to get the same purchase or the batsman make less of the mistakes so they tend to score higher. god knows how many times I seen england dismiss teams cheaply in england and then the oppostion assume they will get the same swing, seam and the batsman will struggle with the moving ball rarely happens that way. England spinners will still have to be top class to get 10 wickets here and if they not then Woakes, Broad and Stokes will have to bowl more overs which generally means Bangladesh are batting well.


Really we won't know till Bangladesh bat but reckon 250 isn't that great of an first inning score especially if england batting first they really should be posting a total that gives them a very good chance of a 50+ lead.
really 300-330 is about par.
would say 350-370 is excellent.
If england have a poor day with the ball tomorrow it shouldn't be forgotten that they didn't bat well in the first innings.
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Old 20-10-2016, 22:12
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What a load of rubbish. Moen has kept his head today amid wickets falling & poor umpiring - why isnt the focus on the umpire making bad decisions which lead to reviews? And over zealous appealing?
Well done for picking on England's (current) top scorer in the first innings.
Ridiculous
Bhav isn't going to let runs change his opinion on Moeen, he'll carry on blathering about Ganguly's chat forever. It isn't a fact just Saurav's opinion Of course there's the stats he came up about Ali struggling against spun in the Wondies, when he didn't at all.

Ball spun from the start and Shakib and the debutant bowled very well, it's an OKAY start, considering some of our players clearly undercooked.
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Old 20-10-2016, 22:22
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Bit baffled how you think averaging 22 in WI isn't struggling against spin.
Anyway we see what he does this winter, I be very surprised if he averages more than 30 after today show with the bat.
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Old 20-10-2016, 22:30
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Bit baffled how you think averaging 22 in WI isn't struggling against spin.
Anyway we see what he does this winter, I be very surprised if he averages more than 30 after today show with the bat.
Because he only got out to spin as once as I pointed out before, run out the other 2 times.

He was a bit lucky today, but he struggled through, hopefully he'll be a bit more fluent through it.
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Old 21-10-2016, 03:50
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pretty surprised Ali batting still, he looks out of his depth so far.
I agree. I just don't see him as a number 5 test batter, coming in before Stokes and Bairstow

Because he only got out to spin as once as I pointed out before, run out the other 2 times.

He was a bit lucky today, but he struggled through, hopefully he'll be a bit more fluent through it.
Anyone can struggle through if they aren't given out. Could easily have been given out before he got double figures. He got lucky.
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Old 21-10-2016, 04:32
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I have Sulla on ignore, but I know what he'll be posting about, so I guess I'm not missing anything. Would like this forum to have the facility where you can't see they've posted, like TennisForum, but ho-hum.
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Old 21-10-2016, 05:01
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well that wasn't the start we wanted this morning

woakes out first ball
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Old 21-10-2016, 05:48
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10th review of the innings

Even Broad has got one right !
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Old 21-10-2016, 05:50
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Not out overturned and England all out for 293
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Old 21-10-2016, 05:51
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10th review of the innings

Even Broad has got one right !
and then he is out after another review

not a great advertisement for umpiring in this innings

293 looks a decent score on this pitch but will need to see how well we bowl on it and how well cook uses the spinners which imo has never been one of his strengths as a captain
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Old 21-10-2016, 05:54
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I have Sulla on ignore, but I know what he'll be posting about, so I guess I'm not missing anything. Would like this forum to have the facility where you can't see they've posted, like TennisForum, but ho-hum.
I never ignore anyone who takes the trouble to post
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Old 21-10-2016, 06:08
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Spreads calling Bangla runs at 267 - 282
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Old 21-10-2016, 06:14
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and then he is out after another review

not a great advertisement for umpiring in this innings

293 looks a decent score on this pitch but will need to see how well we bowl on it and how well cook uses the spinners which imo has never been one of his strengths as a captain
10 reviews is a world record !

Dharmasena had all 4 reviews of his decisions overturned

Just commenting on TMS how appropriate it was that Broad should be involved when the record was broken.
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Old 21-10-2016, 06:57
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Moeen bowls a couple of rippers and Kayes and Haque are out

Just what we needed as lunch approaches with the openers looking comfortable

Off to work for me
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Old 21-10-2016, 07:01
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Moeen bowls a couple of rippers and Kayes and Haque are out

Just what we needed as lunch approaches with the openers looking comfortable

Off to work for me
i'm sure SULLA will be delighted
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Old 21-10-2016, 07:02
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Good comeback after a disappointing session

Pakistan v West Indies just starting on Sky channel 789
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Old 21-10-2016, 07:37
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Good comeback after a disappointing session

Pakistan v West Indies just starting on Sky channel 789
Back down to earth for Azhar Ali. 300* in the 1st Test and 0 today
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Old 21-10-2016, 08:55
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quite a significant step i think

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/co...y/1062592.html

kinda apt given what we just saw in the england first innings
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Old 21-10-2016, 09:07
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quite a significant step i think

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/co...y/1062592.html

kinda apt given what we just saw in the england first innings
Should help Ashwin . He would have had another 3-4 wickets in the NZ series if he had been able to refer


As mentioned by someone on the radio just now, India are not as experienced as to when you should review

Might be a slight advantage to England there- although we do have Stuart
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