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Old 20-12-2016, 21:14
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Not watching the verdict, but Root got his first baby due in a couple of weeks so I'd be surprised if he is willing to take on England captaincy this year...sounds trite, but I reckon it could influence the decision
So if Cook stands down as captain. And Root decides not to accept the job. Who is the alternative

Ben Stokes
Jonny Bairstow
James Anderson
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Old 20-12-2016, 21:16
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So if Cook stands down as captain. And Root decides not to accept the job. Who is the alternative

Ben Stokes
Jonny Bairstow
James Anderson
Having a child shouldnt influence it, he will be in the test side regardless
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Old 20-12-2016, 21:28
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If Cook stands down, then Root is the best option.
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Old 20-12-2016, 21:52
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If Cook stands down, then Root is the best option.
Best or only option?
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Old 20-12-2016, 21:58
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If Cook stands down, then Root is the best option
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Old 20-12-2016, 22:08
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Best or only option?
Only. Unless you count Broad, who had that brief stint in T20...
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Old 20-12-2016, 23:06
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Bob Willis made the point on Sky that if England had another Test series away from home early next year then Cook would almost certainly stand down now, however as we don't play any Tests until next July he's got 6 months off from international cricket to have a think about it, recharge his batteries and be far more likely to carry on.

Whatever happens, it's almost certain that the latest he'll go is after next winter's Ashes.
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Old 20-12-2016, 23:26
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Only. Unless you count Broad, who had that brief stint in T20...
That is what I mean, the options are just not there for anyone other than Root to take over, so what happens if Root doesn't do well, then what, as just because he is a fantastic batsman doesn't automatically mean that he will need a good captain.

The problem is that with central contacts as they are, the players don't play much if any county cricket, and so don't rise up through the ranks, and captain their county.
So we are left scrabbling around to see if player x, is a good captain, rather than being able to pick someone with captaincy experience.

I don't quite know the answer is, or how to reconcile the two issues, but in the future we will have to do something, as just giving the captaincy to someone and hoping that they will be good at it, to me is not a recipe for success.
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Old 20-12-2016, 23:30
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That is what I mean, the options are just not there for anyone other than Root to take over, so what happens if Root doesn't do well, then what, as just because he is a fantastic batsman doesn't automatically mean that he will need a good captain.

The problem is that with central contacts as they are, the players don't play much if any county cricket, and so don't rise up through the ranks, and captain their county.
So we are left scrabbling around to see if player x, is a good captain, rather than being able to pick someone with captaincy experience.

I don't quite know the answer is, or how to reconcile the two issues, but in the future we will have to do something, as just giving the captaincy to someone and hoping that they will be good at it, to me is not a recipe for success.
Ballance is captain of Yorkshire he's still young enough to come back into the England fold and captain the team in 2/3 years time
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Old 20-12-2016, 23:32
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Cook has been the weakest England captain I can remember.

He insists on trying not to lose, rather than win. So if for example he had a lead of 300 on second innings going into the last day, he wouldn't declare overnight and give the other side a sniff. No, not Cook, he would bat on till after lunch and a lead of 400 so his side don't have time to bowl the other side out

I have been frustrated by his timid tactics for years now, but unfortunately I can see Joe Root going down the same route himself possibly....
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Old 21-12-2016, 00:45
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Ballance is captain of Yorkshire he's still young enough to come back into the England fold and captain the team in 2/3 years time
The issue is, we don't really have that much time to wait for someone to become captain, if Cook does resign or get the sack, we will be looking at options for his replacement much sooner than that time frame.

It should not just go to Root because he is the only candidate for the job, a team should have two or three potential captains, we are lacking in that area, and it is very sad to see.

We used to have a great tradition of being able to select from a wide range of options, not now though, it seems to be Root, or welll errrr, just him actually, and to my mind that is just not good enough, it is a failure of the system.
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Old 21-12-2016, 00:59
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I have to say congratulations to India on setting a new Indian record of being unbeaten in eighteen tests

These are Indias results in those eighteen tests

Beat, Sri Lanka
Beat, Sri Lanka

Beat, South Africa
Draw, South Africa
Beat, South Africa
Beat, South Africa

Beat, West Indies
Draw, West Indies
Beat, West Indies
Draw, West Indies

Beat, New Zealand
Beat, New Zealand
Beat, New Zealand

Draw, England
Beat, England
Beat, England
Beat, England
Beat, England

The unbeaten run includes that they played at home twelve times
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Old 21-12-2016, 16:22
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I would have to go with Broad as Anderson might be retiring soon
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Old 21-12-2016, 18:35
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very poor showing from England

If you making a 'best X1' from the series, would there be any England players in it ?

Maybe Stokes, possibly Root and Bairstow ?

Vijay
Rahul
Pujara/Root
Kohli
Nair
Patel/Bairstow
Stokes
Ashwin
Jadeja
Shami
Yadav
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Old 21-12-2016, 18:56
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very poor showing from England

If you making a 'best X1' from the series, would there be any England players in it ?

Maybe Stokes, possibly Root and Bairstow ?

Vijay
Rahul
Pujara/Root
Kohli
Nair
Patel/Bairstow
Stokes
Ashwin
Jadeja
Shami
Yadav
Why Stokes ?

You have ommitted Englands best bowler.
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Old 21-12-2016, 19:54
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Why Stokes ?

You have ommitted Englands best bowler.

345 runs and 8 wickets from Stokes was probably what was expected but still good for the unhelpful conditions and only Shami from the quicker bowlers took more wickets
He was also, curiously, underbowled by Cook

I am assuming you are meaning Rashid by your 'England's best bowler' reference in that he took most wickets (for me certainly not England's best bowler)

I didn't pick him as , for me, 2 spinners are enough especially when they are the quality of Ashwin and Jadeja,
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Old 21-12-2016, 22:47
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Bairstow ahead of Patel anytime for me. And Cook ahead of Vijay.
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Old 21-12-2016, 23:07
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Bairstow ahead of Patel anytime for me. And Cook ahead of Vijay.
How can you say Cook ahead of Vijay when Cook has hardly performed and Vijay has been great as he has scored more runs and has scored two centuries to Alistair Cooks one
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Old 21-12-2016, 23:18
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How can you say Cook ahead of Vijay when Cook has hardly performed and Vijay has been great as he has scored more runs and has scored two centuries to Alistair Cooks one
Cook has faced a better pace and spin bowling attack than Vijay, who incidentally was on the cusp of losing his place in the side after a few crap scores and ducks. He was also fallible to the short ball even from a below par pace attack.
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Old 22-12-2016, 03:40
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345 runs and 8 wickets from Stokes was probably what was expected but still good for the unhelpful conditions and only Shami from the quicker bowlers took more wickets
He was also, curiously, underbowled by Cook

I am assuming you are meaning Rashid by your 'England's best bowler' reference in that he took most wickets (for me certainly not England's best bowler)

I didn't pick him as , for me, 2 spinners are enough especially when they are the quality of Ashwin and Jadeja,
23 wickets, far more than any other England player
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Old 22-12-2016, 07:31
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Hope we never invite him back to OT

Alviro Petersen, the former South Africa opener, has been banned for two years by CSA after admitting to 13 breaches of the anti-corruption code in relation to the 2015-16 domestic T20 match-fixing scandal.


http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafr...y/1073675.html
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Old 22-12-2016, 07:53
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The world has definatly gone mad

Alistair Cook has been named CAPTAIN of the ICC team of 2016


1. David Warner (Australia)
2. Alastair Cook (England) (captain)
3. Kane Williamson (New Zealand)
4. Joe Root (England)
5. Adam Voges (Australia)
6. Jonny Bairstow (England) (wicketkeeper)
7. Ben Stokes (England)
8. R. Ashwin (India)
9. Rangana Herath (Sri Lanka)
10. Mitchell Starc (Australia)
11. Dale Steyn (South Africa)
12. Steve Smith (Australia)

http://www.icc-cricket.com/news/2016...year-announced
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Old 22-12-2016, 12:56
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The world has definatly gone mad

Alistair Cook has been named CAPTAIN of the ICC team of 2016


1. David Warner (Australia)
2. Alastair Cook (England) (captain)
3. Kane Williamson (New Zealand)
4. Joe Root (England)
5. Adam Voges (Australia)
6. Jonny Bairstow (England) (wicketkeeper)
7. Ben Stokes (England)
8. R. Ashwin (India)
9. Rangana Herath (Sri Lanka)
10. Mitchell Starc (Australia)
11. Dale Steyn (South Africa)
12. Steve Smith (Australia)

http://www.icc-cricket.com/news/2016...year-announced
slightly controversial team that, possibly picked by English selectors?

I'm starting to think that only Australia and South Africa have wickets that give any side a fair chance in a Test series. Otherwise home advantage is just too great viz India and England; Pakistan in the Gulf , Sri Lanka at home etc. I'd like to see a world Test championship held in Oz and/or SA. Won't happen.
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Old 22-12-2016, 15:51
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slightly controversial team that, possibly picked by English selectors?

I'm starting to think that only Australia and South Africa have wickets that give any side a fair chance in a Test series. Otherwise home advantage is just too great viz India and England; Pakistan in the Gulf , Sri Lanka at home etc. I'd like to see a world Test championship held in Oz and/or SA. Won't happen.
If ICC controls everything why dont they prepare pitches for all test matches all over the world. Cannot be that difficult to slot in a pitch in time for a test. The pitches can travel in sections and slotted into a hole in the ground.

So the only home advantage will be the weather conditions and crowds.

Even things a bit in test cricket.
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Old 22-12-2016, 18:32
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No Woakes? He had a superb summer, Steyn is a strange one
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