well done Hales
And another 50 on top would be nice
And another 50 on top would be nice
International Cricket 2016
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Originally Posted by Bhaveshgor:
“Morgan gonna be interesting in this world cup cycle since he might be that english player that isn't good enough for the team but being captain means he has to play.
I don't really rate morgan now, think he been find out at this level.”
“Morgan gonna be interesting in this world cup cycle since he might be that english player that isn't good enough for the team but being captain means he has to play.
I don't really rate morgan now, think he been find out at this level.”
dont think "found out" is the right way to describe it bhav
he had a poor spell a couple of years ago and people said the same thing , between the end of the world cup and this series he has been on a great run
so did they "find him out" then forget what they had "found out" about him and now remembered again ?
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“i was one of the people who wanted us to be much more positive and even if we lose today and lose the series i am still happier than i was this time last year
i just think we would have a better balance with the 2 aggressive guys opening and root/taylor behind them
if we get off to a flyer we promote the likes of morgan, stokes, buttler up the order
if we lose a couple of wickets we have 2 guys in root and taylor who are both capable of "anchoring" the innings , and i dont mean in a jonathon trott way as both can do that without really being reckless and can keep the scoring rate reasonable whilst doing it
having said that i assume morgan is meant to be playing the role of that second accumulator and him hardly making a run has exposed the hit and miss nature of the middle order”
“i was one of the people who wanted us to be much more positive and even if we lose today and lose the series i am still happier than i was this time last year
i just think we would have a better balance with the 2 aggressive guys opening and root/taylor behind them
if we get off to a flyer we promote the likes of morgan, stokes, buttler up the order
if we lose a couple of wickets we have 2 guys in root and taylor who are both capable of "anchoring" the innings , and i dont mean in a jonathon trott way as both can do that without really being reckless and can keep the scoring rate reasonable whilst doing it
having said that i assume morgan is meant to be playing the role of that second accumulator and him hardly making a run has exposed the hit and miss nature of the middle order”
It's difficult because you would have dropped
Moeen for Taylor. That would have made England a bowler light. Although Mo hasn't taken a stack of wickets he has been England's most economical bowler so helped keep the SA score down. I'd like Taylor to play but cannot find a way to fit him in. I think the only batsman who is under performing is the skipper.
TBH time will tell on Morgan.
Anyway I think Morgan a decent player in ODI but at the current time and looking at the future he is the weakest link in the batting line up and I suspect he won't be a certain starter in the future if he wasn't captain.
Stokes/Ali will basically never get dropped because they can bowl 20 overs, Buttler, Root are certainties.
Morgan the only middle order spot available in the team if they still choose to have 6 front-line bowlers in the team.
Anyway I think Morgan a decent player in ODI but at the current time and looking at the future he is the weakest link in the batting line up and I suspect he won't be a certain starter in the future if he wasn't captain.
Stokes/Ali will basically never get dropped because they can bowl 20 overs, Buttler, Root are certainties.
Morgan the only middle order spot available in the team if they still choose to have 6 front-line bowlers in the team.
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“It's difficult because you would have dropped
Moeen for Taylor. That would have made England a bowler light. Although Mo hasn't taken a stack of wickets he has been England's most economical bowler so helped keep the SA score down. I'd like Taylor to play but cannot find a way to fit him in. I think the only batsman who is under performing is the skipper.”
“It's difficult because you would have dropped
Moeen for Taylor. That would have made England a bowler light. Although Mo hasn't taken a stack of wickets he has been England's most economical bowler so helped keep the SA score down. I'd like Taylor to play but cannot find a way to fit him in. I think the only batsman who is under performing is the skipper.”
having 4 proper bowlers, stokes as the 5th bowler and root as backup should be enough imo
having 7 bowlers is a luxury
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“It's difficult because you would have dropped
Moeen for Taylor. That would have made England a bowler light. Although Mo hasn't taken a stack of wickets he has been England's most economical bowler so helped keep the SA score down. I'd like Taylor to play but cannot find a way to fit him in. I think the only batsman who is under performing is the skipper.”
“It's difficult because you would have dropped
Moeen for Taylor. That would have made England a bowler light. Although Mo hasn't taken a stack of wickets he has been England's most economical bowler so helped keep the SA score down. I'd like Taylor to play but cannot find a way to fit him in. I think the only batsman who is under performing is the skipper.”
Quite easy really drop Broad/Jordan for Taylor.
Roy
Hales
Root
Taylor
Morgan
Buttler
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Topley
Originally Posted by dtcdtcdtc:
“Might be being a bit ambitious but a run a ball from here gives us 270 so no need for big shots”
“Might be being a bit ambitious but a run a ball from here gives us 270 so no need for big shots”
Hales caught on the boundary
I know he's played well but there's still 7 overs to go
Originally Posted by dtcdtcdtc:
“Hales caught on the boundary
I know he's played well but there's still 7 overs to go
”
“Hales caught on the boundary
I know he's played well but there's still 7 overs to go
”
hard to be too critical of hales , with what he has left at the other end he probably felt he had to make the most of any loose deliveries he could
its ali, woakes and rashid i thought were a bit stupid today and should have just kept getting hales on strike
poor situational awareness
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“having 4 proper bowlers, stokes as the 5th bowler and root as backup should be enough imo
having 7 bowlers is a luxury”
“having 4 proper bowlers, stokes as the 5th bowler and root as backup should be enough imo
having 7 bowlers is a luxury”
Root bowling Ali's overs could have given SA another 30 runs per game. Ali has done ok. England need 6 bowlers and I don't think Root is good enough to be our 6th. He's OK in tests but not ODI
Originally Posted by Bhaveshgor:
“Quite easy really drop Broad/Jordan for Taylor.
Roy
Hales
Root
Taylor
Morgan
Buttler
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Topley”
“Quite easy really drop Broad/Jordan for Taylor.
Roy
Hales
Root
Taylor
Morgan
Buttler
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Topley”
Only 3 seamers ? No
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“Root bowling Ali's overs could have given SA another 30 runs per game. Ali has done ok. England need 6 bowlers and I don't think Root is good enough to be our 6th. He's OK in tests but not ODI”
“Root bowling Ali's overs could have given SA another 30 runs per game. Ali has done ok. England need 6 bowlers and I don't think Root is good enough to be our 6th. He's OK in tests but not ODI”
where did i say root would bowl the same amount of overs as ali ?
root would be a backup to the 5 main bowlers only
look at the side SA are playing
4 bowlers + duminy and behardien for the start of the series
5 bowlers + behardien today
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“where did i say root would bowl the same amount of overs as ali ?
root would be a backup to the 5 main bowlers only
look at the side SA are playing
4 bowlers + duminy and behardien for the start of the series
5 bowlers + behardien today”
“where did i say root would bowl the same amount of overs as ali ?
root would be a backup to the 5 main bowlers only
look at the side SA are playing
4 bowlers + duminy and behardien for the start of the series
5 bowlers + behardien today”
Ok so Root bowls 5 overs and Jordan would have bowler 10. Same difference really.
Taylor is a great player and I'd love him to play but do you genuinely think England have performed worse with Ali playing ? I don't.
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“Root bowling Ali's overs could have given SA another 30 runs per game. Ali has done ok. England need 6 bowlers and I don't think Root is good enough to be our 6th. He's OK in tests but not ODI”
“Root bowling Ali's overs could have given SA another 30 runs per game. Ali has done ok. England need 6 bowlers and I don't think Root is good enough to be our 6th. He's OK in tests but not ODI”
Why does root need to bowl ali overs, 6th bowlers should be only bowling 3-5 overs tops anyway.
Root is probably the best 6th bowler in the world considering no other team plays more than 5 bowlers.
Also in reality you don't actually have to be any good to be a 6th bowler you just have to waste overs.
Root is defiantly good enough to bowl 2-4 tight overs if needed.
All you need from a 6 bowler is accuracy and can bowl to a defensive field and if needed provide extra overs when the conditions suit,
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“Only 3 seamers ? No”
“Only 3 seamers ? No”
Drop Ali or Rashid then.
only need 5 frontline bowlers + root.
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“Ok so Root bowls 5 overs and Jordan would have bowler 10. Same difference really.
Taylor is a great player and I'd love him to play but do you genuinely think England have performed worse with Ali playing ? I don't.”
“Ok so Root bowls 5 overs and Jordan would have bowler 10. Same difference really.
Taylor is a great player and I'd love him to play but do you genuinely think England have performed worse with Ali playing ? I don't.”
picking any ODI side is about making compromises
i just think we are erring on the side of too much bowling and are a specialist bat light
i dont think any other ODI team atm is playing 6 guys who are all arguably being selected as being capable of bowling their full 10 overs AND having someone like root there as a backup
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“where did i say root would bowl the same amount of overs as ali ?
root would be a backup to the 5 main bowlers only
look at the side SA are playing
4 bowlers + duminy and behardien for the start of the series
5 bowlers + behardien today”
“where did i say root would bowl the same amount of overs as ali ?
root would be a backup to the 5 main bowlers only
look at the side SA are playing
4 bowlers + duminy and behardien for the start of the series
5 bowlers + behardien today”
well behardien didn't even bowl today.
If Moeen is to selected, I would have him opening with Hales
Roy has been the attacking opener and I can't see Moeen doing any worse
This would create a spot for Taylor (or Bairstow ?)
Roy has been the attacking opener and I can't see Moeen doing any worse
This would create a spot for Taylor (or Bairstow ?)
Anyway I suspect one of the batsman/ Stokes or Ali will be rested at some point so Taylor/Bairstow etc should get games in the future.
This discussion will come up again in 2017 when England will have to pick their best 11 for the champions trophy.
Look at the positives must be the first time a selector had this much dilemma for an odi team.
Still can't believe they didn't pick this squad for the world cup.
This discussion will come up again in 2017 when England will have to pick their best 11 for the champions trophy.
Look at the positives must be the first time a selector had this much dilemma for an odi team.
Still can't believe they didn't pick this squad for the world cup.
Originally Posted by Bhaveshgor:
“Why does root need to bowl ali overs, 6th bowlers should be only bowling 3-5 overs tops anyway.
Root is probably the best 6th bowler in the world considering no other team plays more than 5 bowlers.
Also in reality you don't actually have to be any good to be a 6th bowler you just have to waste overs.
Root is defiantly good enough to bowl 2-4 tight overs if needed.
All you need from a 6 bowler is accuracy and can bowl to a defensive field and if needed provide extra overs when the conditions suit,”
“Why does root need to bowl ali overs, 6th bowlers should be only bowling 3-5 overs tops anyway.
Root is probably the best 6th bowler in the world considering no other team plays more than 5 bowlers.
Also in reality you don't actually have to be any good to be a 6th bowler you just have to waste overs.
Root is defiantly good enough to bowl 2-4 tight overs if needed.
All you need from a 6 bowler is accuracy and can bowl to a defensive field and if needed provide extra overs when the conditions suit,”
Originally Posted by Bhaveshgor:
“Drop Ali or Rashid then.
only need 5 frontline bowlers + root.”
“Drop Ali or Rashid then.
only need 5 frontline bowlers + root.”
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“picking any ODI side is about making compromises
i just think we are erring on the side of too much bowling and are a specialist bat light
i dont think any other ODI team atm is playing 6 guys who are all arguably being selected as being capable of bowling their full 10 overs AND having someone like root there as a backup”
“picking any ODI side is about making compromises
i just think we are erring on the side of too much bowling and are a specialist bat light
i dont think any other ODI team atm is playing 6 guys who are all arguably being selected as being capable of bowling their full 10 overs AND having someone like root there as a backup”
You are talking about Ali as if he is England's 6th bowler. He isn't. He is our front line spinner. If you had said Taylor for Rashid I'd see your point but not to drop Ali for him.
Originally Posted by dtcdtcdtc:
“If Moeen is to selected, I would have him opening with Hales
Roy has been the attacking opener and I can't see Moeen doing any worse
This would create a spot for Taylor (or Bairstow ?)”
“If Moeen is to selected, I would have him opening with Hales
Roy has been the attacking opener and I can't see Moeen doing any worse
This would create a spot for Taylor (or Bairstow ?)”
that is the other option
i think they want to give Roy more of a run , he has to play more than just cameos tho
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“You are talking about Ali as if he is England's 6th bowler. He isn't. He is our front line spinner. If you had said Taylor for Rashid I'd see your point but not to drop Ali for him.”
“You are talking about Ali as if he is England's 6th bowler. He isn't. He is our front line spinner. If you had said Taylor for Rashid I'd see your point but not to drop Ali for him.”
he is our front line spinner in tests but you still want 5 other bowlers + root in the team to cover for him ?
and i dont agree he is our frontline spinner in limited overs
Originally Posted by dtcdtcdtc:
“If Moeen is to selected, I would have him opening with Hales
Roy has been the attacking opener and I can't see Moeen doing any worse
This would create a spot for Taylor (or Bairstow ?)”
“If Moeen is to selected, I would have him opening with Hales
Roy has been the attacking opener and I can't see Moeen doing any worse
This would create a spot for Taylor (or Bairstow ?)”
yeah that would work as well means having the extra batsman and the extra bowler.
I would hate to be a selector though for this odi team, too many options, basically every time england loses you probably regret why you didn't play a certain player.
i genuinely think the issue is that both ali and stokes are seen as guaranteed picks and after all the noise about them being wasted batting as low as #8 that we have went the way we have with selection
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