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Old 24-07-2016, 12:11
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Well Semenya is going to be in full view of the world in Rio and whatever anyone thinks, she is going to be a worldwide talking point once again. Kratochvilova's ancient mark surely under huge threat now, a case of the controversial following the controversial?
Unless all the attention suddenly "gets" to her. She wins the gold easily if she wants to. Very excited to see her on 400.
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Old 24-07-2016, 12:12
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Old 24-07-2016, 12:14
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Also, regadring Harrison, I guess she could still compete in Rio, IF Nia Ali +#4 and #5 at US Trials all agree on it. Not sure if it would be a good thing though.
I would not give up my Olympic Spot even if my friend just made a new WR.

Also, as the pressure got to her in Eugene, it's very likely it will do again in Rio esp if she gets there at someone elses expense. So expect kind of disaster if she turns up...
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Old 24-07-2016, 12:16
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Old 24-07-2016, 12:16
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The US selection system has existed for as long as I can remember and probably for a good while before that. It works absolutely fine for them. It's a shame when it means missing out on a star like Keni but the alternatives are worse & would likely result in law suits and the like. Very messy.

The US have too much depth in too many events - it's the only way
That's the point I think. Any other way and in the home of the lawsuit the big winners would be the lawyers.
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Old 24-07-2016, 12:17
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Some more thoughts on London.

1. Did HAA slim down a bit? I used to find him "massive" whereas now he was just "huge".

2. Where was Elliot Giles?

Hmf. That was it actually. I can agree on those thinking Dafne is a tad masculine. Also 800 without Caster is super boring
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Old 24-07-2016, 12:24
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I've noticed there's quite a few Indians in the World Juniors this year, they've suffered from a bad reputation for doping in the recent past - dodgy Ukrainian national coach. We have to go back to Anju Bobby George in the early 2000s for a decent world class Indian athlete.
Chopra (the first Indian T&F world champion at any level) has been under the tutelage of an Aussie that coached the likes of Jarrod Bannister.

Curiously, the linked article (dated February 28) says he turned 19 a couple of months prior - either that's a typo, or his DOB (see IAAF profle) is false.

In any case, he seems to be one for the future.
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Old 24-07-2016, 13:04
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Yes, easy on the eye.
Is that okay to say being twice her age
Fine by me, im 20yrs older
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Old 24-07-2016, 13:17
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Both GBR teams sub-38!!

GBR A 37.78 WL! GBR B 37.81!

Had Ujah actually run a fast anchor leg, the AR (37.73 from Seville 1999) would be gone.
I was so impressed, and also so curious as to how the GBR B almost won, i watched the race 3 times. It is really difficult to tell when they're that many lanes apart but to me it looked like GBR A were quite a bit ahead after 2 legs (Dasaolou & Gemili) then legs 3 and 4 were very average for GBR A. Although i might be biased as i dont rate and really dont like Ellington (GBR A leg3). And it was obvious to all Ujah ran a slow leg 4. British record at Rio? Or baton on the floor!
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Old 24-07-2016, 13:58
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Some more thoughts on London.

1. Did HAA slim down a bit? I used to find him "massive" whereas now he was just "huge".

2. Where was Elliot Giles?

Hmf. That was it actually. I can agree on those thinking Dafne is a tad masculine. Also 800 without Caster is super boring
He wasn't standing next to Andy Turner when you made that observation was he?
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Old 24-07-2016, 14:14
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.............The difference is that by 1992 Carl was past his best in 100m and there were better; Burrell, Mitchell & Witherspoon, though he still kicked ass in the long jump.....what a final!!!.

Regarding Maurice Green he was past his best at 200m and never won a major event at that distance again specializing at 100m and MJ was past his best at 200mm too though he was still great at 400 metres for a year or two after 2000.

Kendra is at her peak at 100 hurdles!!!
You're twisting things to suit your argument. The trials are first 3 whoever you are
I am not intentionally twisting anything to suit the argument. I am merely saying, Carl, Michael and Maurice were no longer the best at those individual events and therefore there omission in those Olympics did not ruing the quality of the event or sour the gold medal of the eventual winner.
Not forgetting all three still got to perform in another two events each; Carl (L.Jump & 4x100) Michael (400M & 4x400) and Maurice (100m & 4x100).

Kendra on the other hand is the best at the event (all year) and does not have another event to fall back on like the three mentioned.

As others have said and articulated by Mandrake: “I think they've been lucky and have cheated though. Kendra is a relatively unknown female track star. Her money generating value was not that high. It's now a lot higher of course. But if Carl Lewis had caught a cold during the 1984 trials, I bet they would have found a way of getting him in the games. The whole world, and the sponsors of course, wanted to see him there and there would have been hell to pay if it looked like a fit Carl Lewis wasn't going”.


The US selection system has existed for as long as I can remember and probably for a good while before that. It works absolutely fine for them. It's a shame when it means missing out on a star like Keni but the alternatives are worse & would likely result in law suits and the like. Very messy.

The US have too much depth in too many events - it's the only way
That's the point I think. Any other way and in the home of the lawsuit the big winners would be the lawyers.
Regarding lawsuits, they could be dealt with if everyone knew in advance that the best two (plus one discretionary) was the rule from the outset. Bolt took advantage of that option with the selection of both 100 and 200 metres this year due to illness; the result is that we get to see the best compete at the games and the third place runner appreciates they are now a reserve. So long as everyone knows the rules the athletes like in Britain understand only the first two places guarantees you a place. The only person who has complained about Jamaica’s treatment of Bolt is Justin Gatlin; who was not the third placed Jamaican………I wonder what his issue is
http://www.skysports.com/more-sports...-of-disrespect

We all know the real reason the US have not changed the rules; “depth and quality” in their team, the lawsuit argument is just an excuse, when a robust & transparent appeal procedure could deal with 99% of the third place selection decisions.

As I have said I just want to see the best (assuming they are fit and in form) compete at the Olympic Games.
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Old 24-07-2016, 15:35
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Elvira Herman (BLR) won the women's 100mH with a 12.85 (+2.0m/s) CR. No fewer than five competitors broke 13 seconds, which I believe is unprecedented for an U20 event.
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Old 24-07-2016, 16:17
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Oh, dear, race walkers apart Team GB continue to be rubbish in Bydgoszcz. No more medals tonight. Looks like a very boring 2024 Olympics.
All remaining events devoid of Brits, so a solitary gold is all they have. TBH I wasn't expecting much from this particular team and was actually surprised they produced a champion.

In any case, they still did better than they did in 2004, when the likes of JE (as she was then) won nothing at all. As we all know, that lead to a very boring 2012 Olympics.
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Old 24-07-2016, 18:12
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All remaining events devoid of Brits, so a solitary gold is all they have. TBH I wasn't expecting much from this particular team and was actually surprised they produced a champion.

In any case, they still did better than they did in 2004, when the likes of JE (as she was then) won nothing at all. As we all know, that lead to a very boring 2012 Olympics.
Given the inevitable turnover at this level having the odd disappointing championship isn't an issue. It only becomes a problem if you get below par performances over a number of years.

And as we know winning medals at World Juniors is not a guarantee of anything at senior level
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Old 24-07-2016, 18:15
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Given the inevitable turnover at this level having the odd disappointing championship isn't an issue. It only becomes a problem if you get below par performances over a number of years.

And as we know winning medals at World Juniors is not a guarantee of anything at senior level
And of course we did extremely well at the European Youth Athletics Championships a couple of weeks ago.
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Old 24-07-2016, 21:42
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You still feel she can come back to claim the gold in Rio...
I suppose SAFP could get her form back but does she need more races. She might not be like Bolt who can almost turn up after a few training runs and still win.
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Old 24-07-2016, 21:47
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Unless all the attention suddenly "gets" to her. She wins the gold easily if she wants to. Very excited to see her on 400.
Caster will make sure she wins but she won't go after the record. If she beats Krat's dubious record, she knows there will be people out there calling her a man again and she doesn't want that.
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Old 24-07-2016, 21:51
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She doesn't do much for me. I think she's a bit hefty and, dare I say it, maybe even slightly masculine.
Oh I like Dafne! If a woman can't wrestle me to the ground then I'm not interested... Going to miss my favourite drug cheating Amazon, Lysenko, at the games!!
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Old 24-07-2016, 23:29
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I suppose SAFP could get her form back but does she need more races. She might not be like Bolt who can almost turn up after a few training runs and still win.
I can't see her doing it this time. She's running out of time & she doesn't really seem to be improving. With the likes of Elaine Thompson, Bowie, Gardner & Shippers around she will struggle to get any medal.
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Old 25-07-2016, 11:26
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Caster will make sure she wins but she won't go after the record. If she beats Krat's dubious record, she knows there will be people out there calling her a man again and she doesn't want that.
People do that already though...
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Old 26-07-2016, 00:00
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I can't see her doing it this time. She's running out of time & she doesn't really seem to be improving. With the likes of Elaine Thompson, Bowie, Gardner & Shippers around she will struggle to get any medal.
You're probably right. The question is will she ever get back to where she was?
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Old 26-07-2016, 09:56
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People do that already though...
True but I don't think Caster has street recognition yet i.e. Everyone will know Caster after the Olympics after a win.
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Old 26-07-2016, 11:10
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True but I don't think Caster has street recognition yet i.e. Everyone will know Caster after the Olympics after a win.
Also true. Esp in US if she defeats Felix.
US is not that amazing on 800 so she probably not that famous there at the mo
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Old 26-07-2016, 18:10
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Well I haven't seen much Athletics this year so what a time to tune in. Keni Harrison just poetry in motion and what fabulous reactions when the realisation hit her and her competitors-brilliant stuff.
That slow-motion shot when she realised she had broken Donkova's WR will be an iconic moment for a long time to come. Just as well they caught that after the finish line faux pas.

Kendra says she thinks she can break the WR again .......... this season!
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Old 26-07-2016, 18:44
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Just caught up on the DL after being away for a few days.

WOW, Keni Harrison! Really pleased for her. Slowly but surely those women's records are falling. Maybe Keni can also have a crack at the 400H record during the USA's off-year in 2018?

WTF, what a time to have a massive clock malfunction. Embarrassing for London Stadium officials there.
Yeah, what happened there? It wasn't a huge dip (it was hardly Jackson-esque) so I really can't understand how she failed to break the beam. A bit of a shame, it kind of spoiled the moment & it would have been better for everyone to know immediately.

Laura Muir ... Bloomin' marvellous!! She managed to stay on her feet after the race too! I said she'd break it this year. It came 5 weeks earlier than I thought it would though. Genuine bronze medal shot just ahead of Seyaum, Obiri & Hassan I'd say (though perhaps dependent on at least the last 600 being very fast.) Dibaba & Kipyegon remain the favourites for gold & silver.

Worth a mention, just because it's probably very rare (and also because I'm a huge fan of her ) ... In the last 5 and a bit weeks Steph Twell has raced all the commonly-run distances between 400 and 5k - the 400, 800, 1500, 3000 & 5000 (she also ran a 4x400 relay leg on the same day she ran the 400 in a Southern League match).

... Also 800 without Caster is super boring
I disagree. It wasn't last year. Without the 3 intersex athletes it was super-competitive and close with about 10 women going into the world champs having a genuine shot at a medal. The racing in Beijing was terrific too, right from the first round.
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