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They all deserve a top 3 finish but think Murray will win SPOTY again.
Even more so if he wins gold and the Davis Cup! |
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More athletics in Sotteville-les-Rouen ( http://www.watchathletics.com/page/1325/live-stream ) ...
That's the way to run the 400, Kemi Adekoya ... go out in 23.x (you know, just in case the world record is on tonight ) and then flail home in 28.x for a 52-flat.
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Andy Murray is a great shout BUT if he was to win ,that would be 2013 and 2015 and 2016 ? I think only because of this thinking I would swerve Andy ,if he didn't win it last year then yes IDE be on him to win ,but I can't see the BBC doing it - in my opinion I'm doubly sure it will be a gold winning athlete for sure - just my opinion.
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Andy Murray is a great shout BUT if he was to win ,that would be 2013 and 2015 and 2016 ? I think only because of this thinking I would swerve Andy ,if he didn't win it last year then yes IDE be on him to win ,but I can't see the BBC doing it - in my opinion I'm doubly sure it will be a gold winning athlete for sure - just my opinion.
Having said that, an Olympian (Wiggins) did win the last time it was held in an Olympic year, so you never know. Mind you, he did have to clear up the small matter of being the first Brit to win the Tour de France first... Wouldn't rule Jess out but it's beginning to feel like a case of 'always the bridesmaid, never the bride'. And, much as I would like to see her win, I'd prefer if there were a load of other Olympians with great claims to the title. Roll on Rio
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I'd take a punt on Adam Peaty. His profile is still low pre games but I think he's potentially our greatest ever male swimmer. He's not going to bottle it like some swimmers have in the past. He'll win golds and probably break a world record and come out of the games a household name like Becky Adlington.
![]() If he does as well as we all hope, he'll certainly be in the mix. But even Becky didn't win... (Particularly tough competition in 2008 though - Chris Hoy's golds and Hamilton's first world title.) |
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Hi there I'm new to this and I was just wondering on your opinion on Rio olympics and that is
Do you think mo farah will win gold in his 2 events and for me the real biggy is Jessica Ennis hill - is she competively ready for winning gold ? To me she seems lightly tested ,I hope she does win gold but I wonder if she's going to be competive ? Let me know your thoughts ,cheers . , I forgot to welcome you to the wonderful world of the athletics thread.Things may well get a bit, erm, lively over the coming weeks but the excellent knowledge and analysis of many of the posters will make up for it. Hope you have a great time here! |
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Sorry, appledash (love the name, BTW). In my haste to demonstrate how mouthy and opinionated I can be
, I forgot to welcome you to the wonderful world of the athletics thread.Things may well get a bit, erm, lively over the coming weeks but the excellent knowledge and analysis of many of the posters will make up for it. Hope you have a great time here! I must say though I've just shamelessly just picking your brains on who will win spoty2016 as I've set my mind on a track and field athlete ( the last winner was Kelly Holmes 2004 ) |
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Just catching up with Monaco DL.
Caster Semenya seems unstoppable for the gold in Rio. Regarding Semenya - I have been meaning to ask. Reading the posts on here some are suggesting (or implying) that she is not a woman. I don't know the full story about her gender testing, but I thought she was cleared to run in the women's events for SA. Is there still some ambiguity as to her gender? I thought it was all sorted now. I don't know what it was but she certainly looked different in the slo-mo at the end of the 800m in Monaco. |
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Yes indeed!
Caster Semenya 1:55.33 NR/WL/DLR! In arrears: Francine Niyonsaba 1:56.24 NR Margaret Wambui 1:56.64 PB Eunice Sum 1:57.47 SB Molly Ludlow 1:57.68 PB Lynsey Sharp 1:57.75 SB I said it before, surely Semenya can break the WR if she wants to? At least get extremely close. She didn't look tired at all after this. Also, never seen Wambui before. She is not exceptionally feminine either tbh... |
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But unfortunately most are too afraid to speak out publicly.
With Semenya now saying she will do the 400m in Rio it will be interesting to see if certain US sports media commentators will be equally cowed by the PC narrative if for example she beats Felix. WOuldnt be surprised if she could win the 1500 as well
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Tamberi out of Rio with ligament damage. A huge loss.
Just watched it last night. SOmething happened just when he jumped, and then it looked bad when he landed then he tried to stand on it and realized how painful it was and that Rio would be no more. He was a sure contender for a medal, though it will most likely be a very high quality event, and I wouldnt be surprised if you needed 2.40 to medal. |
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Shaunae Miller said on Friday that she isn't doubling over 200/400m, neither is Wayde Van Niekerk. Both have PBs that could get them into the finals of the 200m and both have medal potential. Other than LaShawn Merritt I can't think of anyone high profile who is doing the double, and the woman who made the change of schedule happen didn't qualify!
I hope he can win the 400. |
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Poor Melissa Bishop. She ran a 1:57.43 NR last night in Edmonton (winning by 4.5 seconds) but probably won't even get a sniff of a medal this year.
![]() ![]() I think Arzamasova might surprise a bit |
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They hit or exceeded the target numbers for all other events. www.road-to-rio.com lists all qualifiers allowing for the 3 per country rule
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Her wife Violet will be pleased!!
http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/enterta...wedding-photos |
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Just catching up with Monaco DL.
Caster Semenya seems unstoppable for the gold in Rio. Regarding Semenya - I have been meaning to ask. Reading the posts on here some are suggesting (or implying) that she is not a woman. I don't know the full story about her gender testing, but I thought she was cleared to run in the women's events for SA. Is there still some ambiguity as to her gender? I thought it was all sorted now. I don't know what it was but she certainly looked different in the slo-mo at the end of the 800m in Monaco. In previous years (since 2009) she had to take some medicine to reduce this level, and hence being an ordinary 800 runner. This season she doesn't have to take it and look what happened... Apparently this is supposed to be a "trial" year, and she might have to start it again next year. It obviously gives her an advantage, no doubt about it, OTOH it's "natural", so... So if she wants the WR this is the year to do it
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Suspect this article on "Caster Semenya has male sex organs and no womb or ovaries" http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/spo...-1225771672245 is what stirs up opinion.
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No, I think she is 100% woman, just has a very high natural level of testosterone.
In previous years (since 2009) she had to take some medicine to reduce this level, and hence being an ordinary 800 runner. This season she doesn't have to take it and look what happened... Apparently this is supposed to be a "trial" year, and she might have to start it again next year. It obviously gives her an advantage, no doubt about it, OTOH it's "natural", so... So if she wants the WR this is the year to do it ![]() |
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the point is that its completely unnatural for a woman to have testosterone that high, her intersex characteristics give her a massive advantage over the women in that race, 2 and 3 in that race also are rumored to be intersex as well,
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Reading the posts on here some are suggesting (or implying) that she is not a woman. I don't know the full story about her gender testing, but I thought she was cleared to run in the women's events for SA. Is there still some ambiguity as to her gender?
I thought it was all sorted now.http://sportsscientists.com/2016/07/...emenya-debate/ Bottom line, the CAS ruling was perverse. Testosterone is performance enhancing and even though it might be naturally occurring at hight levels due to an intersex condition, where the individual identifies as female, there should be limits imposed for those who want to compete. Analogies can be dangerous, but for instance the Rowing in the Olympics will have light weight events where woman have to be less than 60Kg's and men 73Kg's to compete. Are we wrong to exclude those men and women who through their genes are naturally in excess of those limits? |
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Analogies can be dangerous, but for instance the Rowing in the Olympics will have light weight events where woman have to be less than 60Kg's and men 73Kg's to compete. Are we wrong to exclude those men and women who through their genes are naturally in excess of those limits?
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This recently published article on the subject might help.
http://sportsscientists.com/2016/07/...emenya-debate/ Bottom line, the CAS ruling was perverse. Testosterone is performance enhancing and even though it might be naturally occurring at hight levels due to an intersex condition, where the individual identifies as female, there should be limits imposed for those who want to compete. It's very tricky. It's very hard to decide what to do, it seems like you have to choose to lesser of two wrongs. |
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This is of course true and very unfair to the other women.
It's very tricky. It's very hard to decide what to do, it seems like you have to choose to lesser of two wrongs. |
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Thanks for the explanations and link (Jaccobabe, Jo09, robo2, Evo102 and grassmarket)
![]() I do understand it all a lot better now. No idea what the answer is, but at least I now understand the facts. Rio shall be interesting to say the least - especially in the 400m. |
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the point is that its completely unnatural for a woman to have testosterone that high, her intersex characteristics give her a massive advantage over the women in that race, 2 and 3 in that race also are rumored to be intersex as well, which explains why they have reappeared this season as the cas overturned a ruling on testosterone limits for womens racing which means that those three athletes have a massive unfair advantage, testosterone gives increased bone density and muscle mass which means faster times ( one of the main reasons men are 10 -15 % percent faster than women) so what we have here is an athlete that has a 6-7% advantage over genetically normal women
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) and then flail home in 28.x for a 52-flat.


, I forgot to welcome you to the wonderful world of the athletics thread.
I thought it was all sorted now.