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Old 12-12-2016, 18:42
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Didn't realise he was so young.

Very sad.
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Old 12-12-2016, 18:46
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Oh dear that is sad news

aged only 55

He was 19 when he won the Derby on Shergar
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Old 12-12-2016, 19:12
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Sad news Walter Swinburn has died
Bloody hell R.I.P
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Old 12-12-2016, 19:13
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Crikey

Top jockey who oozed real class

Very Sad news
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Old 12-12-2016, 19:24
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Devastating news, didn't know he was ill tbh. What a year. 😰😰
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Old 12-12-2016, 20:13
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Terribly sad news

I didn't realise he was ill either

His ride on Shahrastani in the "Dancing Brave " Derby is vastly under-rated
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Old 12-12-2016, 21:57
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Very sad to hear about the choirboy - he was a great horseman and like so many of that time able to give a sympathetic ride or be very strong in the saddle ... a true world class jockey for so many years.

With the untimely death of Pat Eddery it does beg the question just what damage does years of virtual fasting do to these jockeys once they finish up?? I don't doubt the demon drink was involved as well ...
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:17
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I'm shocked about Walter Swinburn's death at a relatively young age... Wasn't expecting that at all. He was part of that era of great jockeys in the 1980s along with Lester Piggot, Pat Eddery, Willie Carson and Steve Cauthen. RIP
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:17
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Very sad to hear about the choirboy - he was a great horseman and like so many of that time able to give a sympathetic ride or be very strong in the saddle ... a true world class jockey for so many years.

With the untimely death of Pat Eddery it does beg the question just what damage does years of virtual fasting do to these jockeys once they finish up?? I don't doubt the demon drink was involved as well ...
What?! Pat Eddery is dead too? I had no idea
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:25
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Very sad to hear about Walter. I remember him as a soft spoken and intelligent and articulate person. He was a fine rider too and a man for the big occasion, winning many of the world's famous races.
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:34
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What?! Pat Eddery is dead too? I had no idea
Just over a year ago.
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:49
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Just over a year ago.
Gosh i somehow missed that.

Pat Eddery and Dancing Brave... Walter Swinburn and Shergar...
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Old 12-12-2016, 23:49
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Sad news about Walter Swinburn

RIP Walter
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Old 13-12-2016, 13:08
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I'm shocked about Walter Swinburn's death at a relatively young age... Wasn't expecting that at all. He was part of that era of great jockeys in the 1980s along with Lester Piggot, Pat Eddery, Willie Carson and Steve Cauthen. RIP
Stunned. Cause of death as yet unknown?

Francome told At The Races: "I spoke to him a couple of months ago and he seemed in really good form. It's absolutely shocking he should die aged 55. No age at all.
When someone of this age dies (and I am not far off it), you usually find there is an underlying medical reason. Rather selfishly, it has rung alarm bells for me.
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Old 13-12-2016, 14:07
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Walter's dad Wally was a well known English jockey based in Ireland, but interestingly Walter always regarded himself an Irishman and carried an Irish passport. He must have been one of the youngest ever jockeys to ride a winner of the Epsom Derby, there can't have been too many teenagers who have won the race.
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Old 13-12-2016, 19:26
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The Racing Post site has gone 'Beta' for me as the roll out of the new site continues

I'll get used to it but it seems strange at the moment

I've got the basic basic subscription

One negative thing I've noted is that 'Quotes' appear to have disappeared from the horse form page. I usually checked this for each horse in the race to see what connections were saying about them
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Old 18-12-2016, 15:23
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Coneygree is out of the King George after not working well.

Sad to hear Lord Gyllene has died at the ripe old age of 28.
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Old 19-12-2016, 08:55
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A jockey has died after a fall in NZ

Rebecca Black, aged 40, suffered fatal injuries when falling off her mount Point Proven in a flat race
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Old 22-12-2016, 16:16
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King George tips then anyone?

With Coneygree out, it seems that if Thistlecrack does run it will effectively be a straight fight between Thistlecrack and Cue Card.

Douvan is one to watch though if he gets a run.

Can never rule out Silviniaco Conti and Irish Cavalier either.

But I'm backing Cue Card for this race.
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Old 22-12-2016, 18:58
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King George tips then anyone?

With Coneygree out, it seems that if Thistlecrack does run it will effectively be a straight fight between Thistlecrack and Cue Card.

Douvan is one to watch though if he gets a run.

Can never rule out Silviniaco Conti and Irish Cavalier either.

But I'm backing Cue Card for this race.
Douvan and Irish Cavalier came out earlier .........just 7 left at the moment with the final decs tomorrow lunchtime

It looks a straight match and with only 7 runners likely there's no point looking for an EW shot

It's the dilemma - proven class against huge potential

I'm going for the proven class - Cue Card for me !

We know what he can do but Thistlecrack is inexperienced over fences and the fences at Kempton are stiff and unforgiving and the pace of top class chasers might put him under pressure
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Old 22-12-2016, 19:33
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Another death to report

John Buckingham, who rode Foinavon to one of the biggest ever Grand National upsets, has died aged 76

that was 50 years ago.............
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Old 22-12-2016, 23:41
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You have to go with Cue Card but nice to see Tizzard take this route with Thistlecrack - although I think after this race he will probably stick to the novice route.

This race really does show the lack of quality in the UK though and the power is very much in Ireland at the moment ... not that long ago they didn't have a decent consistent staying chaser.

Thistlecrack has never stuck me as a natural over fences - he sort of runs in snatches, but he does have some engine. Very unusual for a champion staying hurdler to also be a champion over the larger obstacles as it seems to be a completely different rhythm they race at ... should be an interesting watch.
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Old 23-12-2016, 11:10
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Oddschecker reporting only 5 runners in the King George now. What a weak renewal of the race.

Current odds with CORAL:

Cue Card: 6/5 JF
Thistlecrack: 6/5 JF
Josses Hill: 14/1
Tea For Two: 16/1
Silviniaco Conti: 20/1
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Old 23-12-2016, 11:13
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It's essentially a straight fight now but having said that it would be unwise to rule out Silviniaco Conti for this race. That horse has so much class and although some say he's past his best, I still think he's good enough to compete with the top horses in the country. The run in the Betfair was disappointing but I think that was mostly down to the ground.
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Old 23-12-2016, 11:21
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Oddschecker reporting only 5 runners in the King George now. What a weak renewal of the race.

Current odds with CORAL:

Cue Card: 6/5 JF
Thistlecrack: 6/5 JF
Josses Hill: 14/1
Tea For Two: 16/1
Silviniaco Conti: 20/1
I don't think you can exactly call it weak, more quality over quantity.
It not just the top two, but the other three in there are of a high enough quality to scare away any also-rans that would otherwise just enter for the lesser-placed prize money.

Still, a watchers brief rather than a bet for me, except in the tipping comps.
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