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I'm talking about further news apart from 'going wrong' as mentioned by Simon Holt during commentary. Well, nearly 15 minutes on and still nothing.
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Don Cossack won the gold cup (none of the horses i put a bet on either) lol
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I'm talking about further news apart from 'going wrong' as mentioned by Simon Holt during commentary. Well, nearly 15 minutes on and still nothing. I guess horse welfare means more to me than the likes of yourself and most of those involved in racing.
Death Toll so far - 6 and counting. Enjoy your racing. |
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As alluded to already, it begs the question why you are tuned in at all?
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If you'd looked before responding, post #88 would have answered your question. However, this 'Festival', and I can hardly think of a less appropriate word to describe the events of the last four days, has somewhat changed that ambivalence.
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I guess horse welfare means more to me than the likes of yourself and most of those involved in racing.
What makes it 'mean more' to you? The fact that you're on an Internet forum being sanctimonious over it? Do you do this year round, or only when Cheltenham is on? |
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Fingers crossed Vicky Pendleton and Pasha Du Polder come back safely in the next. If something happens to either it's going to bring Racing into the spotlight for all the wrong reasons.
Doubt she's aiming to win but getting round would be a great achievement. Big field like this though staying out of trouble is going to be tricky. |
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Brilliant for her 5th place!!
Horse could have won that with a more positive ride finished like a train! |
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I hope all the Victoria Pendleton haters ( many on social media ) will shut up now. Wonderful achievement
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Brilliant from Vicky........what a girl !
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Mixed feelings on that - if they put a half decent amateur on that then it would have won turning handstands (that is evident). On the other hand it takes a special breed to ride in these sort of races and you have got to tip your hat off to Pendleton for her effort in what must have be a daunting race for an inexperienced amateur to ride in.
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I see you edited your post to add this after I'd already replied to you. You should probably avoid making wild assumptions, as it's a good way to make yourself look silly.
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Mixed feelings on that - if they put a half decent amateur on that then it would have won turning handstands (that is evident). On the other hand it takes a special breed to ride in these sort of races and you have got to tip your hat off to Pendleton for her effort in what must have be a daunting race for an inexperienced amateur to ride in.
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Well, here's the perfect opportunity for you put the record straight. Do you think 6 deaths at 'The Festival' is an acceptable price to pay in the name of entertainment?
Can we count an update from you on the number of fatal injuries at Fakenham throughout the season, or do you only care when it's on the telly at Cheltenham? |
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Didn't seem like the connections thought the horse would stay the trip, so she was just taking it easy to get home. Having watched it most of the way round he gave her a perfect trip round never touched a twig.
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If she had the physical strength of a regular female jump jockey like Nina Carberry or Katie Walsh, she could have finished 3rd at least there but that was a fantastic achievement by Victoria, someone with no background in horse riding or the racing game.
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Nice loaded question there.
Can we count an update from you on the number of fatal injuries at Fakenham throughout the season, or do you only care when it's on the telly at Cheltenham? I don't know who this Royal we is, but to answer your question, I don't just care about horses being killed on the telly at Cheltenham. For anyone who wishes to know about other racehorse deaths around the country; http://horsedeathwatch.com/ |
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Nothing loaded about it at all. A simple, straightforward question which, for whatever reason, you are not comfortable answering. You seemed to be aggrieved that I had suggested horse welfare meant less to you than it does to me. As I said, now is the ideal opportunity for you to clarify matters. Otherwise it would only be reasonable to conclude my assumption was correct.
So now that I've answered your question, aside from posting on Internet forums, perhaps you can tell us what it is that you do regarding horse welfare? |
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What I do know is that these horses are extremely well-cared for and loved by those who look after them. Far more so than the thousands upon thousands of horses in this country who are left sitting in fields with little or no suitable water, food and love. There are none more devastated than the lad or lass who looks after a thoroughbred who sadly doesn't come home. Far more so than someone simply keeping a tally on the Internet to make a point.
So, aside from posting on Internet forums, perhaps you can tell us what it is that you do regarding horse welfare? What would I do? If it was just the odd fatality here and there that could be put down to bad luck I wouldn't see much of a problem. However, taking the Cheltenham Festival as an example (but as you correctly say, though, horse deaths routinely and frequently occur all year round at Wetherby, Worcester, Fakenham etc etc) it's evident the high death toll is not a consequence of bad luck but of the intrinsically extremely dangerous nature of NH racing. I now see no alternative other than what, for instance, Australia have done in recent years, than to ban NH racing. PS - Yes, there are still plenty of deaths on the flat, but retaining it would hopefully still satisfy fans to an extent. PPS - To illustrate horse deaths don't just occur at Cheltenham and Aintree, it's being reported on social media that Ballyadeen has just been killed at Fakenham. |
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Mixed feelings on that - if they put a half decent amateur on that then it would have won turning handstands (that is evident). On the other hand it takes a special breed to ride in these sort of races and you have got to tip your hat off to Pendleton for her effort in what must have be a daunting race for an inexperienced amateur to ride in.
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Fair play to Victoria. She did absolutely superb
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Victoria Pendleton gave the horse a great ride and i had a feeling Don Cossack would win as he was the class horse in the race
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No guarantee of that though. If the horse had been ridden prominently throughout by another jockey, he may have run into traffic problems or tired on the run in. I do think with a physically stronger jockey than Victoria, he would have finished closer but that's fine and you totally have to factor in her total inexperience at this level too.
However in a "normal" amateur race you would imagine that a lesser know name would have been absolutely crucified for that ride ... that is a fact and I am sure that VP knows that. There is no room for "celberity" when millions are being staked on races like that. The important thing is in these amateur races you are betting on the jockey as much as the horse but you still expect your jockey to be able to put the horse in with a winning chance at some stage ... that never happened in that race. Incidentally I feel that the owner, the jockey and the trainer are pushing their luck with talk of putting the horse over the national fences ... for me that is a massive mistake. |
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It is certainly true that these horses are well cared for so long as they are making money for connections. Unfortunately, when they are no longer earning their keep, in far too many instances it's the slippery slope to the slaughterhouse. I also agree that the majority of stable lads and lasses genuinely love these animals and are indeed devastated when they are killed. However, as you move up the racing industry hierarchy, I believe that horse welfare with regard to death and injury as a result of the intrinsic danger of NH becomes less of a concern, particularly with regard to trainers and jockeys, and to a slightly lesser extent, owners.
What would I do? If it was just the odd fatality here and there that could be put down to bad luck I wouldn't see much of a problem. However, taking the Cheltenham Festival as an example (but as you correctly say, though, horse deaths routinely and frequently occur all year round at Wetherby, Worcester, Fakenham etc etc) it's evident the high death toll is not a consequence of bad luck but of the intrinsically extremely dangerous nature of NH racing. I now see no alternative other than what, for instance, Australia have done in recent years, than to ban NH racing. PS - Yes, there are still plenty of deaths on the flat, but retaining it would hopefully still satisfy fans to an extent. PPS - To illustrate horse deaths don't just occur at Cheltenham and Aintree, it's being reported on social media that Ballyadeen has just been killed at Fakenham. |
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My question wasn't what your suggestions for changing racing were. You high-handedly stated that you care more about horse welfare than I, or other racing fans, do. I was asking how it is that this care manifests itself in a way that apparently makes you better than others.
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