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Old 01-05-2016, 21:35
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Minding was a very impressive winner of the 1000 Guinneas
Do you think Aidan O Brien might race him the Oaks
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Old 02-05-2016, 11:49
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Do you think Aidan O Brien might race him the Oaks
Unlikely unless AOB's Derby colts flop she looks set for the Oaks.
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Old 05-05-2016, 08:13
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Less than two weeks after the end of the 2015/16 jumps season and there are 4 jumps meetings today in the flat season!

Carlisle, Uttoxeter, Newton Abbot and Wincanton all racing today. THe latter two tracks are very close geographically.

It's ridiculous - what's makes it even worse is there is just one flat meeting in Britiain today.

What the hell are the BHA playing at?
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Old 06-05-2016, 09:09
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Unlikely unless AOB's Derby colts flop she looks set for the Oaks.
Less unlikely as US Army Ranger didn't look like a Derby winner in the Chester Vase with a short head win getting 4lbs off ano AOB runner, Port Douglas, who was supposed to be a pacemaker and was not fully ridden out in the finish which prompted a stewards inquiry.
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Old 06-05-2016, 11:46
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Impressive 2000 Gns winner Galileo Gold will NOT run in the Derby after a genetic test at University College, Dublin revealed he was a type CC

This is interpreted as indicating that there is less than 1% chance of the colt being at his best over 12 furlongs

The future of race horse training is here !.......don't bother with all that casting an expert eye on a horse's conformation and pedigree, his action, assessing the opposition, fine tuning his training for speed and/or stamina.........just get a genetic test done and place the horse accordingly
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Old 06-05-2016, 12:42
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^^ A look through his pedigree would have told you that as it is only through his dam's sire Galileo that there is much stamina in it.

Tbh this year's 3yos except for Minding don't look an especially strong bunch at a mile or further.
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Old 06-05-2016, 16:21
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I still think you would miss the 'anomaly' if you relied on breeding rather than what happens at the racecourse

Although it's not particularly relevant to thoroughbreds, didn't Red Rum start off in a 5 furlong sprint....
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Old 07-05-2016, 10:24
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I still think you would miss the 'anomaly' if you relied on breeding rather than what happens at the racecourse

Although it's not particularly relevant to thoroughbreds, didn't Red Rum start off in a 5 furlong sprint....
I agree, you only really find out if a horse stays if you try it over the trip.

Yep Rummy did start out in a sprint, iirc Lester once rode him.
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Old 07-05-2016, 18:52
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Potential interest at Newbury this coming Friday as John Gosden has entered a Frankel 2yo in the maiden race..........all eyes will be on it if it runs !
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Old 08-05-2016, 10:56
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Along with the 2000 Gns the main two Derby trials are the Derrinstown and the Dante, so the picture should become clearer over the next few days

The 2000 Gns winner is not going to the Derby so it might pay to look at the placed horses........there used to be a saying '4th in the Guineas, win the Derby' !........but it's not apparent that any of the close up finishers might be 12F horses, apart perhaps from Massaat who finished 2nd and he's probably a 10F type. I expect he'll take his chance though

It's looking like one of those years when O'Brien runs 5 or 6 horses in the Derby because he doesn't have an outstanding one. US Army Ranger wasn't impressive at Chester and his Lingfield trial horse was well beaten. His two Guineas horses were beaten and don't look like stayers

He runs 4 today in the Derrinstown which again suggests that none of them are outstanding

Looks like we'll have to wait for the Dante for the Derby favourite to emerge.........unless something hacks up over in Ireland today
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Old 08-05-2016, 13:25
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Less than two weeks after the end of the 2015/16 jumps season and there are 4 jumps meetings today in the flat season!

Carlisle, Uttoxeter, Newton Abbot and Wincanton all racing today. THe latter two tracks are very close geographically.

It's ridiculous - what's makes it even worse is there is just one flat meeting in Britiain today.

What the hell are the BHA playing at?
Just 2 meetings on the mainland today- both over the jumps

Does seem odd
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Old 08-05-2016, 16:40
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Along with the 2000 Gns the main two Derby trials are the Derrinstown and the Dante, so the picture should become clearer over the next few days

The 2000 Gns winner is not going to the Derby so it might pay to look at the placed horses........there used to be a saying '4th in the Guineas, win the Derby' !........but it's not apparent that any of the close up finishers might be 12F horses, apart perhaps from Massaat who finished 2nd and he's probably a 10F type. I expect he'll take his chance though

It's looking like one of those years when O'Brien runs 5 or 6 horses in the Derby because he doesn't have an outstanding one. US Army Ranger wasn't impressive at Chester and his Lingfield trial horse was well beaten. His two Guineas horses were beaten and don't look like stayers

He runs 4 today in the Derrinstown which again suggests that none of them are outstanding

Looks like we'll have to wait for the Dante for the Derby favourite to emerge.........unless something hacks up over in Ireland today
4 out 7 runners in the Derringstown and AOB didn't have the winner as Bolger's Moonlight Magic wins but he is held on form by current Derby favourite Midterm who runs in the Dante.
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Old 09-05-2016, 09:27
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Potential interest at Newbury this coming Friday as John Gosden has entered a Frankel 2yo in the maiden race..........all eyes will be on it if it runs !
And so it begins

I read an interesting article somewhere the gist of which was that no horse rated RPR 138+ had ever sired a horse rated RPR 138+. Fair enough, but if even one offspring per year of Frankel reaches 130, it'll likely hoover up plenty of Group Ones.
Frankel was an absolute freak and I really hope that something of that freakishness gets passed on.
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Old 09-05-2016, 09:29
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Michelle Payne, the Aussie girl who became something of an 'overnight sensation' when she won the Melbourne Cup this year is due to ride at Royal Ascot

Jane Chapple-Hyam has offered her a couple of rides, in the Hunt Cup and Gold Cup

She's also intending to come over again for the Shergar Cup
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:12
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Andre Fabre seems likely to supplement Godolphin's Cloth of Stars for the Derby after his win in the Prix Greffulhe at Saint-Cloud, a race Pour Moi won on route to his Derby victory
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Old 13-05-2016, 09:27
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There is a picture of Cunco (Frankel's first son) on the racing post website. Looks just like his Dad with the white star and ankles

I suspect a lot of people will be watching the 2.00 at Newbury with interest.
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Old 13-05-2016, 12:44
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There is a picture of Cunco (Frankel's first son) on the racing post website. Looks just like his Dad with the white star and ankles

I suspect a lot of people will be watching the 2.00 at Newbury with interest.
I'll be watching........

I've had a look at the photo........blimey, he does look like the mighty Frankel

I remember his dam as well........Chrysanthemum. She won a few Listed and group races and was a regular in all those fillies group races they have in Ireland. I remember her winning the Park ? Stakes about 5 years ago........I always pay attention to that race because it's usually the first group race in Britain or Ireland and at the start of each season always intend to concentrate on the group races........but it never lasts !
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Old 13-05-2016, 14:11
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Cunco........Impressive.........

Coltish in the paddock, green, fizzy & keen going down, drifted in the betting quite markedly.......was out to 3rd favourite at one point a few minutes before the race

But blimey........held up, travelled well, looked powerful, followed the favourite but pulled out wide when the favourite started to fade and horses on the outside ran on......showed very good acceleration to go past the leader and put the race to bed.

(I'll c&p the Racing Post results analysis later when the full result goes up)
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Old 13-05-2016, 14:22
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Did you see the length of that stride, the son of Frankel indeed..very impressive.
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Old 13-05-2016, 14:49
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Racing Post Race Analysis.....

"The ground was changed to good to soft, soft in places before this race.

Again no form to go on in this division, but all eyes were on one horse. The winning time was almost identical to the first leg, but the race will be remembered for some time.

CUNCO, the first of the mighty Frankelīs progeny to make the racecourse and out of a 7f-1m2f (including Group 3) winner, did plenty wrong beforehand. With two handlers in the paddock, he became coltish and was then keen to post, so it was no surprise to see him drift significantly in the market. He did everything right in the race, however, and despite being niggled at some way out he produced an astonishing turn of foot to run down the runner-up well inside the last furlong and it took his rider an age to pull him up. He looks a very exciting prospect and dad would be proud."
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Old 13-05-2016, 15:04
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What do you reckon, Newmarket in August over 8?...Win there and get your bet on for the 2000 gns next year?
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Old 13-05-2016, 15:20
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That seems a bit premature !........there might be another few dozen Frankel's to run before August !..........

He might not be amongst the best

I expect he's favourite for the Coventry though !
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Old 13-05-2016, 15:28
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That seems a bit premature !........there might be another few dozen Frankel's to run before August !..........

He might not be amongst the best

I expect he's favourite for the Coventry though !
You are of course right, I just get over excited...next protegees are due out at the Curragh on 7th August..I'll keep my powder dry
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Old 13-05-2016, 15:35
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On a different note Dettori is on fire at York....how long ago was he written off?
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Old 13-05-2016, 18:50
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Been at work so only just managed to catch up with Cunco

Wow

Bodes well for the rest of the offspring
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