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Old 02-01-2016, 13:40
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we knew h'd had a hard time in prison and would be different this time around, but they totally ruined him and put a shelf life on his character.the actor himself didnt want to do it and i dont think anyone felt this storyline was necessary at all.
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Old 02-01-2016, 13:48
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This is the million dollar question!

I would rather have seen him struggle with coming back to Walford, seeing Shirley again and find out what happened to him in prison.
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Old 02-01-2016, 13:50
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Did they really ruin him? He was a nothing character beforehand and now he's a key character given interesting material and an open ending so they can bring him back again if they reform him and there is enough hints about his mental issues in order to justify bringing him back one day if they like.

It's not like his misogyny and issues with women is something they just created - there were hints about it in their first stint too.
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Old 02-01-2016, 13:53
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What were his misogyny issues before?

If they can re-invent whole characters like Billy going from a child beater to a wholesome family man, not sure why one or two little things from Dean's first stint would be enough to turn him into a rapist.
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Old 02-01-2016, 13:55
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Yeah I think they made a mistake, the stuff they have got from the storyline and the episodes in general surrounding the story have not been of a high enough quality to justify it.

interesting comversation on another thread just made me think. I have seen people say being sent to prison caused Dean to become a rapist and because he raped Linda the One night stand he had with Shabs was actually rape.

so wouldnt sending him back to prison make him worse not better?

I think they could of made so much more of Dean raping Linda, us finding out why, I think it goes back to his mother issues. they dropped the carters of mick and linda for most of this year, we needed to see more of Linda trying to get her life back on track, trying to cope. we should have seen more about all the carter relationships not just Mick and Shirley.
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Old 02-01-2016, 14:00
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It was a bit of sensationalism DTC dreamed up.
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Old 02-01-2016, 14:05
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Why shouldn't he be a rapist? The overwhelming majority of rapes are committed by seemingly ordinary guys who live in the community and have ordinary jobs such as running a barber's shop.

The stereotypical rapist who lurks in the shadows and pounces on passing women is relatively unusual.

Rape doesn't need to be explained by an "origin story". Rapes by "ordinary" people happen all too often.
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Old 02-01-2016, 14:09
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It was a bit of sensationalism DTC dreamed up.
This. I wouldn't have had a problem with the rape story if they had an originally conceived idea based on his former stint rather than just chucking a "meaty" storyline on him for the sake of sensationalism.

Long gone are the days when characters used to drive plots.
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Old 02-01-2016, 14:10
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Why shouldn't he be a rapist? The overwhelming majority of rapes are committed by seemingly ordinary guys who live in the community and have ordinary jobs such as running a barber's shop.

The stereotypical rapist who lurks in the shadows and pounces on passing women is relatively unusual.

Rape doesn't need to be explained by an "origin story". Rapes by "ordinary" people happen all too often.
yes I think I agree, it is seemingly how the story started. I think whenever you hear the word rapist you automatically think the one who lurks in shadows and pounces but I think (might be wrong) but statistics show that the victim more often than not knows their attacker
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Old 02-01-2016, 14:10
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I don't think anything happened with Dean in prison but for some reason, some think he was sexually abused there. He was beaten up and treated badly in prison. I hope we see Dean again in future. He needs to serve his sentence first and hopefully he will get help.
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Old 02-01-2016, 14:20
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Why shouldn't he be a rapist? The overwhelming majority of rapes are committed by seemingly ordinary guys who live in the community and have ordinary jobs such as running a barber's shop.

The stereotypical rapist who lurks in the shadows and pounces on passing women is relatively unusual.

Rape doesn't need to be explained by an "origin story". Rapes by "ordinary" people happen all too often.
Well if rapists require no back story, why not give the storyline to Mick or Alfie or Ian?

They'd never make a legacy character a rapist, only an expendable one. Plus the likes of Danny Dyer and Adam Woodyatt would threaten to quit whereas unfortunately Matt Di Angelo didn't have that clout.
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Old 02-01-2016, 14:23
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I don't think anything happened with Dean in prison but for some reason, some think he was sexually abused there. He was beaten up and treated badly in prison. I hope we see Dean again in future. He needs to serve his sentence first and hopefully he will get help.
I agree. I think they could bring him back after his sentence, rehabilitated, with his mummy issues also having gone through therapy. the storyline of then intergrating him into the family, showing Linda dealing with it would be interesting, it would be hard hitting , gritty and not something tackled before.

we saw in that scene last night Mick saving his brother, them forming a relationship and trying to overcome what Dean has done would be challenging for them to play.
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Old 02-01-2016, 14:24
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Well if rapists require no back story, why not give the storyline to Mick or Alfie or Ian?

They'd never make a legacy character a rapist, only an expendable one. Plus the likes of Danny Dyer and Adam Woodyatt would threaten to quit whereas unfortunately Matt Di Angelo didn't have that clout.
yes his choice was sit at the bar drinking pints or have this storyline
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Old 02-01-2016, 14:26
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Wasn't Dean weird with Chelsea?

As others have said, he wasn't much of a character back in the day, he only got interesting when he turned in to a nasty piece of work just as he was leaving.
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Old 02-01-2016, 14:28
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Well if rapists require no back story, why not give the storyline to Mick or Alfie or Ian?

They'd never make a legacy character a rapist, only an expendable one. Plus the likes of Danny Dyer and Adam Woodyatt would threaten to quit whereas unfortunately Matt Di Angelo didn't have that clout.
Because EE wants to keep those actors around for as long as possible. Obviously.

You're conflating two very different things here. Rape doesn't need an origin, but a character who commits that crime is unsustainable in the long term.
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Old 02-01-2016, 14:28
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yes his choice was sit at the bar drinking pints or have this storyline
Why did DTC give him only that choice? Dean could have done so much more than just drink pints and be a pretty boy. They could have explored his whole relationship with the Carters and his mummy issues without making him a rapist. Obviously the pint thing was an ultimatum of sorts.
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Old 02-01-2016, 14:29
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Yeah I remember when Chelsea asked Dean what the people in prison did to him, and he said "everything". Was a hint that may have included rape.

Apparently there is a myth that male rape victims can psychologically become rapists themselves, not sure how likely that is though.
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Old 02-01-2016, 14:37
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Why did DTC give him only that choice? Dean could have done so much more than just drink pints and be a pretty boy. They could have explored his whole relationship with the Carters and his mummy issues without making him a rapist. Obviously the pint thing was an ultimatum of sorts.
exactly!, I started a thread a while back when everyone was complaiming about making dean the rapist and asked what storylines would you have given him.

I don't think anyone actually came up with anything!

but yeah I think exploring his mummy issues and trying to build a relationship with Mick and buster would have been better
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Old 02-01-2016, 14:58
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Why did DTC give him only that choice? Dean could have done so much more than just drink pints and be a pretty boy. They could have explored his whole relationship with the Carters and his mummy issues without making him a rapist. Obviously the pint thing was an ultimatum of sorts.
What sort of rapist would you have preferred? A stereotypical random leering weirdo, like that oddball who raped Little Mo? He was such a heavy-handed plot device that he might as well have been called Mr Rapist.

EastEnders is always going to do rape storylines. I'm just glad this one involved an "ordinary" guy related to several key characters.

Let's face it, if rapists were easy to spot and avoid, the crime wouldn't be nearly as common.
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Old 02-01-2016, 15:02
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What sort of rapist would you have preferred? A stereotypical random leering weirdo, like that oddball who raped Little Mo? He was such a heavy-handed plot device that he might as well have been called Mr Rapist.

EastEnders is always going to do rape storylines. I'm just glad this one involved an "ordinary" guy related to several key characters.

Let's face it, if rapists were easy to spot and avoid, the crime wouldn't be nearly as common.
Why are you trying to put words in my mouth? I have never said rapists are only strangers on street corners. The choice was made because Dean was an expendable character. They'd never show a normal guy like Ian or Mick be a rapist as they wouldn't do the storyline. Dean didn't hand much of a choice as he doesn't have the bargaining power of those other actors.
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Old 02-01-2016, 15:09
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Why are you trying to put words in my mouth? I have never said rapists are only strangers on street corners. The choice was made because Dean was an expendable character. They'd never show a normal guy like Ian or Mick be a rapist as they wouldn't do the storyline. Dean didn't hand much of a choice as he doesn't have the bargaining power of those other actors.
Well, it's obvious that a rape storyline places a "shelf life" on a character. Such a storyline could only be given to Ian or Mick if the actors were planning to leave.

So I ask again, what sort of rapist would you have preferred? Are you actually calling for a high profile character to essentially be sacked?
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Old 02-01-2016, 15:13
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Did they really ruin him? He was a nothing character beforehand and now he's a key character given interesting material and an open ending so they can bring him back again if they reform him and there is enough hints about his mental issues in order to justify bringing him back one day if they like.

It's not like his misogyny and issues with women is something they just created - there were hints about it in their first stint too.
This. Dean was a forgettable character at the end of his first stint.
Now ha an important figure who's earnt his place in the Eastenders canon. It's given Matt an interesting, meaty role that won't be forgotten quickly.

As to why DTC made him a rapist? Who knows? It works dramatically I guess
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Old 02-01-2016, 15:57
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Well, it's obvious that a rape storyline places a "shelf life" on a character. Such a storyline could only be given to Ian or Mick if the actors were planning to leave.

So I ask again, what sort of rapist would you have preferred? Are you actually calling for a high profile character to essentially be sacked?
What had it got to do with "sort" of rapist? You're the one conflating the issue here. I never said the wrong sort of character had been picked as the rapist. I was saying the Dean character was targeted because the actor had less bargaining power. It had nothing to do with Dean's backstory. It could have been any originally "good" character.

You're trying to pick an argument where there isn't one.
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Old 02-01-2016, 16:30
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OP - imho he did it because he likes sensationalist storylines but in the process he destroys characters with strong links to the Square who could have and should have had long term tenures in the show - case in point: turning Dean into a rapist and murdering Lucy.

Short term gains; long term losses.

He will never learn.
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Old 02-01-2016, 16:48
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Well, it's obvious that a rape storyline places a "shelf life" on a character. Such a storyline could only be given to Ian or Mick if the actors were planning to leave.

So I ask again, what sort of rapist would you have preferred? Are you actually calling for a high profile character to essentially be sacked?
The storyline of Ian covering up Lucy murderer and letting another man go to prison for the crime should be just as limiting in terms of shelf life as rape. Ian should have a spell in prison for his crimes. Dean will have psychological help as part of his punishment. He will serve his time and could come back in a few years.
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