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why did dtc turn dean into a rapist?
we knew h'd had a hard time in prison and would be different this time around, but they totally ruined him and put a shelf life on his character.the actor himself didnt want to do it and i dont think anyone felt this storyline was necessary at all.
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This is the million dollar question!
I would rather have seen him struggle with coming back to Walford, seeing Shirley again and find out what happened to him in prison. |
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Did they really ruin him? He was a nothing character beforehand and now he's a key character given interesting material and an open ending so they can bring him back again if they reform him and there is enough hints about his mental issues in order to justify bringing him back one day if they like.
It's not like his misogyny and issues with women is something they just created - there were hints about it in their first stint too. |
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What were his misogyny issues before?
If they can re-invent whole characters like Billy going from a child beater to a wholesome family man, not sure why one or two little things from Dean's first stint would be enough to turn him into a rapist. |
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Yeah I think they made a mistake, the stuff they have got from the storyline and the episodes in general surrounding the story have not been of a high enough quality to justify it.
interesting comversation on another thread just made me think. I have seen people say being sent to prison caused Dean to become a rapist and because he raped Linda the One night stand he had with Shabs was actually rape. so wouldnt sending him back to prison make him worse not better? I think they could of made so much more of Dean raping Linda, us finding out why, I think it goes back to his mother issues. they dropped the carters of mick and linda for most of this year, we needed to see more of Linda trying to get her life back on track, trying to cope. we should have seen more about all the carter relationships not just Mick and Shirley. |
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It was a bit of sensationalism DTC dreamed up.
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Why shouldn't he be a rapist? The overwhelming majority of rapes are committed by seemingly ordinary guys who live in the community and have ordinary jobs such as running a barber's shop.
The stereotypical rapist who lurks in the shadows and pounces on passing women is relatively unusual. Rape doesn't need to be explained by an "origin story". Rapes by "ordinary" people happen all too often. |
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It was a bit of sensationalism DTC dreamed up.
Long gone are the days when characters used to drive plots. |
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Why shouldn't he be a rapist? The overwhelming majority of rapes are committed by seemingly ordinary guys who live in the community and have ordinary jobs such as running a barber's shop.
The stereotypical rapist who lurks in the shadows and pounces on passing women is relatively unusual. Rape doesn't need to be explained by an "origin story". Rapes by "ordinary" people happen all too often. |
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I don't think anything happened with Dean in prison but for some reason, some think he was sexually abused there. He was beaten up and treated badly in prison. I hope we see Dean again in future. He needs to serve his sentence first and hopefully he will get help.
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Why shouldn't he be a rapist? The overwhelming majority of rapes are committed by seemingly ordinary guys who live in the community and have ordinary jobs such as running a barber's shop.
The stereotypical rapist who lurks in the shadows and pounces on passing women is relatively unusual. Rape doesn't need to be explained by an "origin story". Rapes by "ordinary" people happen all too often. They'd never make a legacy character a rapist, only an expendable one. Plus the likes of Danny Dyer and Adam Woodyatt would threaten to quit whereas unfortunately Matt Di Angelo didn't have that clout. |
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I don't think anything happened with Dean in prison but for some reason, some think he was sexually abused there. He was beaten up and treated badly in prison. I hope we see Dean again in future. He needs to serve his sentence first and hopefully he will get help.
we saw in that scene last night Mick saving his brother, them forming a relationship and trying to overcome what Dean has done would be challenging for them to play. |
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Well if rapists require no back story, why not give the storyline to Mick or Alfie or Ian?
They'd never make a legacy character a rapist, only an expendable one. Plus the likes of Danny Dyer and Adam Woodyatt would threaten to quit whereas unfortunately Matt Di Angelo didn't have that clout. |
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Wasn't Dean weird with Chelsea?
As others have said, he wasn't much of a character back in the day, he only got interesting when he turned in to a nasty piece of work just as he was leaving. |
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Well if rapists require no back story, why not give the storyline to Mick or Alfie or Ian?
They'd never make a legacy character a rapist, only an expendable one. Plus the likes of Danny Dyer and Adam Woodyatt would threaten to quit whereas unfortunately Matt Di Angelo didn't have that clout. You're conflating two very different things here. Rape doesn't need an origin, but a character who commits that crime is unsustainable in the long term. |
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yes his choice was sit at the bar drinking pints or have this storyline
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Yeah I remember when Chelsea asked Dean what the people in prison did to him, and he said "everything". Was a hint that may have included rape.
Apparently there is a myth that male rape victims can psychologically become rapists themselves, not sure how likely that is though. |
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Why did DTC give him only that choice? Dean could have done so much more than just drink pints and be a pretty boy. They could have explored his whole relationship with the Carters and his mummy issues without making him a rapist. Obviously the pint thing was an ultimatum of sorts.
I don't think anyone actually came up with anything! but yeah I think exploring his mummy issues and trying to build a relationship with Mick and buster would have been better |
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Why did DTC give him only that choice? Dean could have done so much more than just drink pints and be a pretty boy. They could have explored his whole relationship with the Carters and his mummy issues without making him a rapist. Obviously the pint thing was an ultimatum of sorts.
EastEnders is always going to do rape storylines. I'm just glad this one involved an "ordinary" guy related to several key characters. Let's face it, if rapists were easy to spot and avoid, the crime wouldn't be nearly as common. |
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What sort of rapist would you have preferred? A stereotypical random leering weirdo, like that oddball who raped Little Mo? He was such a heavy-handed plot device that he might as well have been called Mr Rapist.
EastEnders is always going to do rape storylines. I'm just glad this one involved an "ordinary" guy related to several key characters. Let's face it, if rapists were easy to spot and avoid, the crime wouldn't be nearly as common. |
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Why are you trying to put words in my mouth? I have never said rapists are only strangers on street corners. The choice was made because Dean was an expendable character. They'd never show a normal guy like Ian or Mick be a rapist as they wouldn't do the storyline. Dean didn't hand much of a choice as he doesn't have the bargaining power of those other actors.
So I ask again, what sort of rapist would you have preferred? Are you actually calling for a high profile character to essentially be sacked? |
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Did they really ruin him? He was a nothing character beforehand and now he's a key character given interesting material and an open ending so they can bring him back again if they reform him and there is enough hints about his mental issues in order to justify bringing him back one day if they like.
It's not like his misogyny and issues with women is something they just created - there were hints about it in their first stint too. Now ha an important figure who's earnt his place in the Eastenders canon. It's given Matt an interesting, meaty role that won't be forgotten quickly. As to why DTC made him a rapist? Who knows? It works dramatically I guess |
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Well, it's obvious that a rape storyline places a "shelf life" on a character. Such a storyline could only be given to Ian or Mick if the actors were planning to leave.
So I ask again, what sort of rapist would you have preferred? Are you actually calling for a high profile character to essentially be sacked? You're trying to pick an argument where there isn't one. |
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OP - imho he did it because he likes sensationalist storylines but in the process he destroys characters with strong links to the Square who could have and should have had long term tenures in the show - case in point: turning Dean into a rapist and murdering Lucy.
Short term gains; long term losses. He will never learn. |
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Well, it's obvious that a rape storyline places a "shelf life" on a character. Such a storyline could only be given to Ian or Mick if the actors were planning to leave.
So I ask again, what sort of rapist would you have preferred? Are you actually calling for a high profile character to essentially be sacked? |
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